SOUNDSCAN SALES: 05/24/2007 - MISTAH F.A.B. ONLY SELLS 4,395

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Mar 17, 2006
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see what i mean? ya'll some dumb ass hopeful as niggas that can't keep shit real.....
Exactly. I bet you if FAB only sold 50 copies, cats would be coming with 101 reasons why it's not a flop. Some of you cats need to start your own therapy clinic, where whenever a Bay Area rapper flops, they can schedule an appointment w/ you so you can tell them... "It's all good, myspace this, independent that....keep doin ya thing, thats just the first push, he finna go hard." hahahahahaha............you niggas is laaaame.
 

Mista CaNE

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For anyone who understands the current market climate those numbers are not bad at all considering FABS situation 4k in 1-2 weeks is good as I doubt any other bay release this year can compete with those numbers. This wasn't his major release, it's just a regular indy album that got distribution, however the fact he gave away free dl to his last cd and some other perks shows how difficult it is to sell albums regardless what you offer today. I'm not a fanboy nor do I listen to much bay music at all but saying this is a flop isn't accurate JUST YET.
 
Feb 13, 2005
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Mista CaNE said:
For anyone who understands the current market climate those numbers are not bad at all considering FABS situation 4k in 1-2 weeks is good as I doubt any other bay release this year can compete with those numbers. This wasn't his major release, it's just a regular indy album that got distribution, however the fact he gave away free dl to his last cd and some other perks shows how difficult it is to sell albums regardless what you offer today. I'm not a fanboy nor do I listen to much bay music at all but saying this is a flop isn't accurate JUST YET.
trust that. f.a.b. aint selling no more than 20,000 anytime soon
 
Feb 13, 2006
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Locomotive41562 said:
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If I say that most of the the record business looks at most bay music right now and just laughs, know that this is just an echo of what is talked about in meetings with major labels, artists, producers, engineers, arrangers, composers, management companies and publishing companies.

and whats your position at the label? they laugh just like they did with crunk music until it blew now majors are handing out outrageous contracts to artist just to sign them. it is gonna take years for the bay to be back on top just look how long it took the south to rise over new york. and if your supposed label is puttin out bay artist dont be a gossip queen!
 
Sep 18, 2002
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I really thought it would do more, and you gotta add at least another thousand to it to account for non-scan stores. Either way, the way the game is right now its solid numbers. They arent great, but they arent bad either.

I am in disbelief sometimes how people look at an opening week soundscan, and immediately are quick to judge. "Oh he only sold 5,000, he flopped". What an ignorant statement. Now if you said, "I listened to it, wasnt feelin it"...i respect that as an opinion. Is it even about the music anymore?

Its up to SMC/Thizz/Faeva Afta to make the project do well by promoting. They are solid companies, and I have no doubt this project will do well. If it sells between 20-30 thousand its a win. If he only sold that on an Atlantic Records project it may be a different story. I know with that money he would have trippled that number..guaranteed.
 

GHP

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I guess they ment fab shipped 40k, lol at people telling fabricated storys about bay area rappers numbers. 4k is still hella good for a local in their first week not on a major label
 
May 9, 2007
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stunnamayne415 said:
and whats your position at the label? they laugh just like they did with crunk music until it blew now majors are handing out outrageous contracts to artist just to sign them. it is gonna take years for the bay to be back on top just look how long it took the south to rise over new york. and if your supposed label is puttin out bay artist dont be a gossip queen!
BIG DIFFERENCE...the south was able to put up independent numbers...shit the bay hasn't been able to do in a long time. And whoever told you that they're handing out "outrageous" contracts to new artists got your dumb ass to believe what they said, cause there isn't a new artist out here without a track record that is makin real money off of album sales.

The point of what I was saying is that FAB is looked at by a lot as the artist that has the most potential in the bay and being one of the favorite artists of fans in the bay, and he only sell's 4,500 records in his first week. I know this is not all on FAB or SMC, this falls in to the hands of his "fans". No matter how much music you download, if you are a fan of his music, why not do what you can to help him blow up. The part that FAB and the label are responsible for however, is making sure that you don't focus your promotion around a website, to where at one click of a mouse, the same people that you're trying to get a sale from, can download the whole album for free.

As for gossiping, if you think that what i said is gossip, get up off your ass and do some real research as to why the bay will NEVER be on top! Some may say I'm a hater, but for the folks that do this shit for a living and know the in's and out's of this business, never in an area that has no support for their own artists, will you see it be on top. I'm as big as a fan of bay music then most people that have been around, but bay music as a whole has become stagnant.
 
Sep 3, 2004
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Locomotive41562 said:
The part that FAB and the label are responsible for however, is making sure that you don't focus your promotion around a website, to where at one click of a mouse, the same people that you're trying to get a sale from, can download the whole album for free.
Assuming you're referring to Myspace, how did you come to this conclusion that F.A.B. and the label are "focusing promotion around a website"?

Also with this statement, "where at one click of a mouse, the same people that you're trying to get a sale from, can download the whole album for free.", we're going to assume that you're referring to "ripping" the album off his page since the download option is not available on any off the songs. If "ripping" is what you're referring to, then would it be safe to assume that you're inferring that same people who "ripped" his album are the same people that would've bought his album if it was not available to listen to on his page? If so, please explain.

Seeing as you "do this shit for a living" and "know the in's and out's of this business", your feedback would be appreciated.
 
May 9, 2007
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^^Thizz, YES...i do this shit for a living and have for more than half of my life. Anyone that specializes in marketing and promotions knows that to market any album or anything musically these days, the internet is the last place to go if you're trying to sell it. What i was reffering to is that as soon as they see any ad on the internet, they check where they can download it for free, whether its his Myspace page, Limewire, whatever. It also allows you to see how many fans are willing to pay for your music. I know this because I have promoted albums for astists such as Mac Dre(pre 2001), Andre Nickatina, San Quinn, Ya Boy, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Chingy, Roscoe, Dilated Peoples, Rass Kass, Coldplay, Radiohead, Yellowcard, Linkin Park, Jane's Addiction, Janet Jackson, Angie Stone, Musiq Soulchild, E-40, T.I., Ray Charles, Madonna and many more. I have said it before, i am a FAB fan. He does a lot of things that a leader should do and he is a person who should be looked up to for some of the honorable work that he's done. He's one of the most down to earth and talented artists in the bay as well. I'm saying this because I know that there are going to be people who call me a hater for offering my knowledge and input with his album. If this album is being treated by FAB/Thizz/SMC as a mixtape, then forget everything i have said because for a mixtape, it did great numbers. I know that FAB could do better numbers and i anticipate that with the pending WEA release. It just would have been better for this album to have had a better promotional push because FAB is one of the bays best and he deserves that push. If he would have gotten the push that Quinn got from the Rock, his numbers would have been better for sure.

And if you need any promotional help, ideas, input....whatever, get at me.
 
Mar 28, 2006
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^^..wat ur saying about promoting an album online makes it more likely for people to DL it makes sense. its like a catch 22 cuz the internet is the easiest, cheapest, quickest way to get information out. I wonder if you would get more sales with no internet promotion or more sales with lots of internet promotion, and even if promoting it on the net causes it to get DLed more does it still get more sales
 
Sep 3, 2004
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Locomotive41562 said:
Anyone that specializes in marketing and promotions knows that to market any album or anything musically these days, the internet is the last place to go if you're trying to sell it. What i was reffering to is that as soon as they see any ad on the internet, they check where they can download it for free, whether its his Myspace page, Limewire, whatever. It also allows you to see how many fans are willing to pay for your music.
And by "ad on the internet" you mean?


Locomotive41562 said:
I have promoted albums for astists such as Mac Dre(pre 2001), Andre Nickatina, San Quinn, Ya Boy, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Chingy, Roscoe, Dilated Peoples, Rass Kass, Coldplay, Radiohead, Yellowcard, Linkin Park, Jane's Addiction, Janet Jackson, Angie Stone, Musiq Soulchild, E-40, T.I., Ray Charles, Madonna and many more.
Did you not do any internet promotion or "ads" with any of the above artists?


Locomotive41562 said:
It just would have been better for this album to have had a better promotional push because FAB is one of the bays best and he deserves that push. If he would have gotten the push that Quinn got from the Rock, his numbers would have been better for sure.
And by "it just would have been better for this album to have had a better promotional push" you mean? What other avenues that weren't pursued, should've been? What was done with The Rock that wasn't done with Da Baydestrian?



Also, if you could please address the questions I asked you earlier, it'd be appreciated:


Assuming you're referring to Myspace, how did you come to this conclusion that F.A.B. and the label are "focusing promotion around a website"?


Also with this statement, "where at one click of a mouse, the same people that you're trying to get a sale from, can download the whole album for free.", we're going to assume that you're referring to "ripping" the album off his page since the download option is not available on any off the songs. If "ripping" is what you're referring to, then would it be safe to assume that you're inferring that same people who "ripped" his album are the same people that would've bought his album if it was not available to listen to on his page? If so, please explain.
 
May 9, 2007
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OK...I'll go through this like you are asking me to.

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Originally Posted by Locomotive41562
Anyone that specializes in marketing and promotions knows that to market any album or anything musically these days, the internet is the last place to go if you're trying to sell it. What i was reffering to is that as soon as they see any ad on the internet, they check where they can download it for free, whether its his Myspace page, Limewire, whatever. It also allows you to see how many fans are willing to pay for your music.

and you asked...

thizz said:
And by "ad on the internet" you mean?....Assuming you're referring to Myspace, how did you come to this conclusion that F.A.B. and the label are "focusing promotion around a website"?
I mean that to anyone outside of this project, the only area that looks like it was pushed hard is on the internet. Yes I've seen the half page ad in XXL but not much else. And this includes myspace because that is still internet marketing/promotion.

thizz said:
Also with this statement, "where at one click of a mouse, the same people that you're trying to get a sale from, can download the whole album for free.", we're going to assume that you're referring to "ripping" the album off his page since the download option is not available on any off the songs. If "ripping" is what you're referring to, then would it be safe to assume that you're inferring that same people who "ripped" his album are the same people that would've bought his album if it was not available to listen to on his page? If so, please explain.
I am not refferring to ripping it off of Myspace, I was saying that with one click of the mouse, anyone can download it off of a couple of different sites off the internet. If the audience that you are trying to reach is on the internet, then there is no need for them to get up and buy the album when it can be downloaded for free in two minutes.

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Originally Posted by Locomotive41562
I have promoted albums for astists such as Mac Dre(pre 2001), Andre Nickatina, San Quinn, Ya Boy, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Chingy, Roscoe, Dilated Peoples, Rass Kass, Coldplay, Radiohead, Yellowcard, Linkin Park, Jane's Addiction, Janet Jackson, Angie Stone, Musiq Soulchild, E-40, T.I., Ray Charles, Madonna and many more.


thizz said:
Did you not do any internet promotion or "ads" with any of the above artists?
Yes there was internet promotion involved but it was not the focal point and major concern of these marketing plans. Each artist has his/her own strengths and they need to be capitalized on. FAB is arguably the most recognizable artist in the bay for fans 12-22 and this should have been one of the most important factors. Internet alone does not keep young people's interest. They want to feel as if the artist is accessible and feel like they can level with them somehow. With just being on the internet and radio, FAB is just as accessible as Jay-Z, 50 Cent and the other bigger name artists.



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Originally Posted by Locomotive41562
It just would have been better for this album to have had a better promotional push because FAB is one of the bays best and he deserves that push. If he would have gotten the push that Quinn got from the Rock, his numbers would have been better for sure.


thizz said:
And by "it just would have been better for this album to have had a better promotional push" you mean? What other avenues that weren't pursued, should've been? What was done with The Rock that wasn't done with Da Baydestrian?
A better push as in, have a radio single that is ready on time to be released. Back to my example with "The Rock," "Hell Yeah" was pushed 2 months before the album was scheduled to release and almost everywhere you went in the bay, you would see a "SAN QUINN:THE ROCK FEB. 7th" poster up and it was a good chance you would see him and the rest of his team around the bay with flyers, posters and the single. This also gave enough time for radio stations across the country to pick it up and get the song some airtime. What was noticed and talked about by the major record labels with "The Rock" was that Quinn was in the streets for 2 months straight, just being seen. He knew that if people saw him while also hearing him on the radio, it would just equal more sales. With "The Baydestrian" the single wasn't given enough time to take off before the album was released so all of the anticipation for the album was based on hype. Just look at the way "Go Crazy" is being steadily played more and more in L.A. which is great, but just think at what could have been done if it was given another month. You could see it best with this website. Every day there would be 5 new posts about what everyone THOUGHT the album was going to sound like and what it should sound like. Who wants to buy an album that is based on hype and confusion, they want to hear what it has to offer. To the consumer, its as if FAB/SMC/Thizz thought that his name alone would carry this records first week sales. With the following that FAB has in the bay area alone, he should have been able to sell around 7,500 in the first week. Like I said earlier, if this album was meant to be treated like a mixtape, then the results were great.

With all this said, I wish you guys the best of luck and hope that FAB exceeds the expectations put forth by bay area music fans because at the end of the day, I would like nothing more than to see him on top because he definately has the potential to take him there.
 
Feb 16, 2006
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When it comes to promotion for this album....the only thing lacking is a radio single. I swear, Go Crazy sounds like something all radio stations across the country could play. If it got a push like 2 months ago, I think sales would've been at least double what they are (I'm not expert on the subject though).

Maybe it's not too late though...get the single into the rhythmic top 40 (which woud probably be very difficult) and 30k in sales is very possible.