Since when are Portuguese people white?

[Lamberto Quintero]

White has become an indistinguishable / interbred ethnic group

People are proud to be white when they dont know their specific pedigree and want to be proud of themselves for something

If someone could be proud to be Brown or Black someone could be proud to be white

I dont see why thats such a huge logical leap

Emphasis mine. And it's not a huge logical leap, I get it perfectly. I'm just pointing out that the reason people are proud to be "white" is because they either don't know where they're from or are ashamed of it. White, Yellow, Brown, Black is all made up bull shit because you can find every single one of those types of people in Mexico and in many other countries.

I'm proud of being Mexican the same way a person of African descent from Guerrero is proud to be Mexican and the same way a person of Mayan descent from Yucatan is proud to be Mexican and the same way that a person of Spanish descent from Michoacan is proud to be Mexican. In other words, it has nothing to do with skin color...

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Berto, white people are white. There's no way around it.

Yes, many people (especially wiggers) harp on their 1/8 African-American or their whatever trace of non-white ethnicity as some sort of claim to cultural legitimacy.

And some people just say you know fuck it im white.

It aint like I passed the smallpox blanket.

Judging someone for the sins of their fathers is some Old Testament god shit. And no one is a bigger dick than the Old Testament god.

I'm not one to judge anybody, I'm just pointing some shit out that stands out to me to see if people agree or disagree with it...

 

[D.I.R.B]

^^Don't argue with history or whats in textbooks all over the god damn world. Europeans are anglo-saxon, hence they are white. What's so hard to understand about that.

 

[DJ Mark 7]

 

[Sketchy B]

^^Don't argue with history or whats in textbooks all over the god damn world. Europeans are anglo-saxon, hence they are white. What's so hard to understand about that.

ummmm, no. all anglo-saxons are European, but NOT all Europeans are anglo-saxon, in fact only those from germany or england could be considered anglo-saxon as far as I understand.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

I'm not one to judge anybody, I'm just pointing some shit out that stands out to me to see if people agree or disagree with it...

I feel you

Im just saying by the same logic Black people who dont know their origins have nothing to be proud of...

 

[Sketchy B]

Do you know what's interesting though, is 70 years ago Armenian people were legally considered Asians and thus couldn't easily become citizens, until an Armenian in Oregon sued the government and the 9th Circuit Court ruled they were officially WHITE *bangs gavel*

Then the guy got his citizenship and promptly tried to drive the Chinese shopkeepers out of downtown Portland waterfront :cheeky:

Armenians were a tricky case, I mean they are Christians, but they live east of Turkey, but west of some Russians, but they have -sorta- dark skin.... It really shows how arbitrary the category of 'white' is.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

LOL@ all the folks offended.

Sketchy, you're on the right track.

In Mexico, lots of folks are racist as fuck towards darker skinned people, so the way I grew up, anyone talking about some skin color shit is automatically on some racist shit, especially when they're talking about how white they are. Because skin color has very little to do with what your nationality is...

WD, you can't compare black pride with white pride. Why? Simple: Darker skinned people have been discriminated against all throughout history, so there is pride in emerging from the oppression by the "white man", which continues these days. White pride is nothing at all like Black Pride, Brown Pride, or any other minority, at least IMO...

 

[Defy]

The Portuguese people I know are proud Portuguese people, not proud white people. How can people be proud of being white? I still don't get it. To me, it's like people being proud of NOT being black, Latino, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc.,

The Irish people I know are proud Irish people, not proud white people.

The Russian people I know are proud Russian people, not proud white people.

The Italian people I know are proud Italian people, not proud white people.

:ermm:

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

The Irish people I know are proud Irish people, not proud white people.

The Russian people I know are proud Russian people, not proud white people.

The Italian people I know are proud Italian people, not proud white people.

:ermm:

Right, but what about Russians, Italians, and Irish folks who say they're just white? You don't know people like that?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

WD, you can't compare black pride with white pride. Why? Simple: Darker skinned people have been discriminated against all throughout history, so there is pride in emerging from the oppression by the "white man", which continues these days. White pride is nothing at all like Black Pride, Brown Pride, or any other minority, at least IMO...

So basically you are saying that Black or Brown people only have pride in their own victimhood or identity as vanquished slaves and second class citizens, and if the White people had not oppressed minorities, they would have nothing to be proud of.

For one to argue this, you would have to also argue that there are no valid cultural or scientific contributions specific to Africans or Latin Americans to be proud of, there are no cultural commonalities shared by only brown or only black people to be proud of, and the sole reason minority pride exists is because of white exploitation and oppression, since that is the only reason for Black and Brown pride.

So if white folks were not racist or discriminatory, or the unequal socioeconomic structure that we have did not exist, there would be no Black / Brown pride.

On the flipside, you are solely defining Europeans as rapists, pillagers, and destroyers. While that may be true to a large extent, who knows what other cultures would have done had they had the same sort of conditions that Europeans had (horses instead of llamas or camels, communicable disease resistance, favorable trade winds to and from the European landmass)? The slave trade began in the Middle East, Africans sold each other out in some cases, and you wouldnt argue that the Mayans and the Aztecs were gentle neighbors and friendly diplomats.

Yes, white people are responsible for devastation and destruction but we are also responsible for many advances in technology, science, trade, etc. To simply cast us as black-souled demons, even when we are hundreds of years removed from much of the original European scourge is disingenuous.

 

[Nuttkase]

Fuck you all, I'm Irish.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

So basically you are saying that Black or Brown people only have pride in their own victimhood or identity as vanquished slaves and second class citizens, and if the White people had not oppressed minorities, they would have nothing to be proud of.

For one to argue this, you would have to also argue that there are no valid cultural or scientific contributions specific to Africans or Latin Americans to be proud of, there are no cultural commonalities shared by only brown or only black people to be proud of, and the sole reason minority pride exists is because of white exploitation and oppression, since that is the only reason for Black and Brown pride.

So if white folks were not racist or discriminatory, or the unequal socioeconomic structure that we have did not exist, there would be no Black / Brown pride.

On the flipside, you are solely defining Europeans as rapists, pillagers, and destroyers. While that may be true to a large extent, who knows what other cultures would have done had they had the same sort of conditions that Europeans had (horses instead of llamas or camels, communicable disease resistance, favorable trade winds to and from the European landmass)? The slave trade began in the Middle East, Africans sold each other out in some cases, and you wouldnt argue that the Mayans and the Aztecs were gentle neighbors and friendly diplomats.

Yes, white people are responsible for devastation and destruction but we are also responsible for many advances in technology, science, trade, etc. To simply cast us as black-souled demons, even when we are hundreds of years removed from much of the original European scourge is disingenuous.

You didn't need to get into it too deep, I'm just saying that Brown and Black Pride are similar, but White pride is not.

So if white folks were not racist or discriminatory, or the unequal socioeconomic structure that we have did not exist, there would be no Black / Brown pride.

I can agree with this statement.

Yes, white people are responsible for devastation and destruction but we are also responsible for many advances in technology, science, trade, etc. To simply cast us as black-souled demons, even when we are hundreds of years removed from much of the original European scourge is disingenuous.

I'm not trying to cast you or anybody else as black-souled demons and I apologize if that's what you got from what I've written, I'm just pointing things out. I appreciate you responding intelligently though, unlike many offended people who just rather talk shit...

 

[Defy]

Right, but what about Russians, Italians, and Irish folks who say they're just white? You don't know people like that?

THEY ARE WHITE!!!!!!!

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

You didn't need to get into it too deep, I'm just saying that Brown and Black Pride are similar, but White pride is not.

Because youre making a value judgement about today's white people based on white history. Not everyone looks at white people and thinks "there goes the smallpox carriers".

So if white folks were not racist or discriminatory, or the unequal socioeconomic structure that we have did not exist, there would be no Black / Brown pride.

I can agree with this statement.

There are a great many people who wouldnt.

I'm not trying to cast you or anybody else as black-souled demons and I apologize if that's what you got from what I've written, I'm just pointing things out. I appreciate you responding intelligently though, unlike many offended people who just rather talk shit...

Nah I aint trippin in the least. Then again Im Mexican. But still. lmao

Im just saying that youre making a value judgement based on one aspect of European history, and being that selective is logically incomplete.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

THEY ARE WHITE!!!!!!!

Ok, so being white is a choice? But only certain privileged folks can claim it? My point is, that two people with the same exact descendants and bloodline can either choose to call themselves white, KNOWING exactly what white has meant in American history, or they can call themselves Irish/Italian/Russians. It's a choice though, and to me, people calling themselves white do it because of a lack of understanding their own specific family history, or to go along with the majority and not feel left out.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Im just saying that youre making a value judgement based on one aspect of European history, and being that selective is logically incomplete.

It's not just European history though, it's American history because that's where we are NOW. I don't think of white people these days as "carriers of small pox." (LOL)

However, I do tend to think that people proud of being JUST white and not of what country they originate, are folks perpetuating the racism towards darker skinned people that exists all around the world and especially in The Americas and Europe.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

However, I do tend to think that people proud of being JUST white and not of what country they originate, are folks perpetuating the racism towards darker skinned people that exists all around the world and especially in The Americas and Europe.

I think this is an inaccurate assumption. Most of the people proud of being white are not people in high places or people of any import. Generally when someone lacks any sort of real achievement or substantiative worth in their lives they default to racial/regional 'pride' (think about the guys who fight over neighborhoods).

I dont really know how big the effects of racism are in the first place. Many people are willing to chalk anything and everything up to racism, and when they have a real experience with it, they look at it on some "A-Ha!" shit and it validates all the queestionable events and occurrences. I think racism has much more power as a looming question in the minds of minorities then it is an effect of white supremacist policy or attitudes.

Maybe it's just the fact that I come from the liberal Bay Area and a very multicultural place, but it seems to me that there are much bigger issues and notions of import.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

I think this is an inaccurate assumption. Most of the people proud of being white are not people in high places or people of any import. Generally when someone lacks any sort of real achievement or substantiative worth in their lives they default to racial/regional 'pride' (think about the guys who fight over neighborhoods).

I dont really know how big the effects of racism are in the first place. Many people are willing to chalk anything and everything up to racism, and when they have a real experience with it, they look at it on some "A-Ha!" shit and it validates all the queestionable events and occurrences. I think racism has much more power as a looming question in the minds of minorities then it is an effect of white supremacist policy or attitudes.

Maybe it's just the fact that I come from the liberal Bay Area and a very multicultural place, but it seems to me that there are much bigger issues and notions of import.

I can't disagree with what you say. I'm just stirring shit up in here and getting people to talk about shit and let out their true feelings...

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

i think some people just didn't grow up with a strong cultural influence. i identify with my irish heritage because my grandparents on my mom's side are from the counties of cork and kerry...ever since i was a little kid i was around the music, the alcohol, the dancing, the fights, and the God awful food of the Irish. some people just grow up on tv and macaroni and cheese.

my dad's side on the other hand, was taught to resent their latin/native heritage. my grandma didn't teach her kids spanish...they were just taught to try to seem as white as possible....but they didn't look white, so it they were teased and it caused a lot of confusion

You make a good point. It's really on a personal and individual level. Wouldn't you agree that things would be better if people like the one's on your dad's side would not resent their heritage and instead embrace it? Race is such a touchy subject, I'm just trying to get people to talk about it openly because there is so much confusion, and most rather not talk about it. But I believe that talking about it and keeping things open doesn't cause harm to anyone and actually helps people understand the different points of view that people have.



Thanks to all who contributed positively and intelligently to the thread.