Shane Carwin implicated in federal steroids investigation
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I think your entire agrument is baseless, assumptive, and you're using your own steriod use as some sort of leverage in proving other people wrong. In reality, however, you're making yourself look more like a junkie than a connoisseur.
We are to believe that UFC fighters aren't under strict steroid policies because a fighter (Chael Sonnen), who YOU believe is on steroids due to "bacne" didn't get popped two weeks ago. Did you know that people all over the world ages 10-40 suffer from back acne [link]. Further, I know a great deal of people who use steroids and have 0 back acne. Go study your health game before you label who uses and who doesn't.
We are also to believe that 4 out of 5 fighters are on steroids because the competitors at a "drug free" body building competition that you go to don't look as good? And to think, an MMA fighter who trains for a living looks impossibly better than an ameture who is looking to take home a trophy. Just of curiosity, by what method do we preclude the use of steroids when observing one of these ameture competitions?
I find this sequence pretty funny:
Lulz.
Rumpelstiltskin, you say MMA fighters look "better"; but what do you mean? Do they have bigger muscles? More defined muscles? Do they have better haircuts or facial features? What do you mean "better", and what weightclasses are you looking at? And more importantly, how much do you know about the balance of conditioning and strength training between MMA fighters and boxers? Do you think perhaps that one focuses more on strength than the other, and likewise with conditioning?
For what it's worth, I am most interested in this "better looking" theory.
You go on to compare the physique of MMA fighters to regular dudes who work out in the gym. Are we really going to compare a guy who trains for a living and six-figure payouts to a guy who is trying to get a sixpack to pull bitches?
As a matter of full disclosure, I do believe that people in every sport use steroids. To what degree is obviously up for debate.
We are to believe that UFC fighters aren't under strict steroid policies because a fighter (Chael Sonnen), who YOU believe is on steroids due to "bacne" didn't get popped two weeks ago. Did you know that people all over the world ages 10-40 suffer from back acne [link]. Further, I know a great deal of people who use steroids and have 0 back acne. Go study your health game before you label who uses and who doesn't.
We are also to believe that 4 out of 5 fighters are on steroids because the competitors at a "drug free" body building competition that you go to don't look as good? And to think, an MMA fighter who trains for a living looks impossibly better than an ameture who is looking to take home a trophy. Just of curiosity, by what method do we preclude the use of steroids when observing one of these ameture competitions?
I find this sequence pretty funny:
Lulz.
Rumpelstiltskin, you say MMA fighters look "better"; but what do you mean? Do they have bigger muscles? More defined muscles? Do they have better haircuts or facial features? What do you mean "better", and what weightclasses are you looking at? And more importantly, how much do you know about the balance of conditioning and strength training between MMA fighters and boxers? Do you think perhaps that one focuses more on strength than the other, and likewise with conditioning?
For what it's worth, I am most interested in this "better looking" theory.
You go on to compare the physique of MMA fighters to regular dudes who work out in the gym. Are we really going to compare a guy who trains for a living and six-figure payouts to a guy who is trying to get a sixpack to pull bitches?
As a matter of full disclosure, I do believe that people in every sport use steroids. To what degree is obviously up for debate.
1) I know absolutely no one in their 30s or 40s with their shoulders and back covered in
pimples. Especially considering that didn't have bacne before. I don't think he just started growing a forest of pimples before his fight with Silva. That's a pretty big coincidence if you want to believe that those just sprouted out of no where.
2) There are MMA fighters that look better than Amateur bodybuilders. What is the difference between the two? I met someone a couple weeks ago who placed 2nd in Vegas, in the 170 category. A decent amount of 170 pounds MMA fighters bodies clearly beat his. Maybe the bb's should start doing jiu jitsu? I mean that is all they are missing? Right?
3) Better looking. Let's just keep it simple and consider BMI. Their height, weight and fat. Then consider their muscle mass. Hey, I know plenty of people that are yoked with 6-8% bf, and trust me they aren't in dojo rolling around in the ground. They are lifting heavy, doing an insane amount of cardio, have an impeccable diet, and take plenty of "supplements". But hey, they should probably just take up MMA and problem solved. Sorry man, doesn't work like that. I wish it did, but it doesn't.
Now, onto what I find funny is the attempt given here to talk about athletes using any type of AAS or PED, but not knowing anything about either. You don't see going out trying to be an Iraqi translator. Why? Because I don't know anything about speaking Iraqi. So when people say things like "Oh he doesnt do steroids. Oh he does steroids.". How the hell do you know? What makes you even remotely close to qualified to give that accusation other than just being an MMA fan? You just have to look at it from my point of view, and honestly its a little frustrating.
Yes, we are both in agreement that their are steroids in all sports.
The gear that MMA fighters are getting popped for are on the same level of WWE wrestlers. Look at the Shamrocks for example. Your MMA fighters (the ones that use) are on a TON of shit, then when you find out what they get busted for it's amazing. So what is Clemens got busted for Winstrol, or Manny got popped for HCG. MMA fighters are on Anadrol, Masteron, Nandralone. These are a MUCH bigger deal. Please at least understand that and not try to justify it by saying "oh, all athletes use". No, its a huge difference.
pimples. Especially considering that didn't have bacne before. I don't think he just started growing a forest of pimples before his fight with Silva. That's a pretty big coincidence if you want to believe that those just sprouted out of no where.
2) There are MMA fighters that look better than Amateur bodybuilders. What is the difference between the two? I met someone a couple weeks ago who placed 2nd in Vegas, in the 170 category. A decent amount of 170 pounds MMA fighters bodies clearly beat his. Maybe the bb's should start doing jiu jitsu? I mean that is all they are missing? Right?
3) Better looking. Let's just keep it simple and consider BMI. Their height, weight and fat. Then consider their muscle mass. Hey, I know plenty of people that are yoked with 6-8% bf, and trust me they aren't in dojo rolling around in the ground. They are lifting heavy, doing an insane amount of cardio, have an impeccable diet, and take plenty of "supplements". But hey, they should probably just take up MMA and problem solved. Sorry man, doesn't work like that. I wish it did, but it doesn't.
Now, onto what I find funny is the attempt given here to talk about athletes using any type of AAS or PED, but not knowing anything about either. You don't see going out trying to be an Iraqi translator. Why? Because I don't know anything about speaking Iraqi. So when people say things like "Oh he doesnt do steroids. Oh he does steroids.". How the hell do you know? What makes you even remotely close to qualified to give that accusation other than just being an MMA fan? You just have to look at it from my point of view, and honestly its a little frustrating.
Yes, we are both in agreement that their are steroids in all sports.
The gear that MMA fighters are getting popped for are on the same level of WWE wrestlers. Look at the Shamrocks for example. Your MMA fighters (the ones that use) are on a TON of shit, then when you find out what they get busted for it's amazing. So what is Clemens got busted for Winstrol, or Manny got popped for HCG. MMA fighters are on Anadrol, Masteron, Nandralone. These are a MUCH bigger deal. Please at least understand that and not try to justify it by saying "oh, all athletes use". No, its a huge difference.