Serious Rapper Question
- Thread starter Gemini
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This is it basically.
If I'm paying cash I need to get something out of it. If you being on my album is going to get your fans to buy my album or get my song on the radio or some shit then I will pay for it. Otherwise, there is no point to paying. If my fans are going to buy it whether or not you are on it then why pay money?
As for the soundtrack question, in my opinion if the movie was released to theaters and his song made a buzz I could see some people paying for a verse. He certainly would have more to stand on with that on his resume than the average dude who tries to charge for a verse. I'd say it's all about how much his own profile is raised by the soundtrack that will correlate with how much he may be able to charge for a verse.
If I'm paying cash I need to get something out of it. If you being on my album is going to get your fans to buy my album or get my song on the radio or some shit then I will pay for it. Otherwise, there is no point to paying. If my fans are going to buy it whether or not you are on it then why pay money?
As for the soundtrack question, in my opinion if the movie was released to theaters and his song made a buzz I could see some people paying for a verse. He certainly would have more to stand on with that on his resume than the average dude who tries to charge for a verse. I'd say it's all about how much his own profile is raised by the soundtrack that will correlate with how much he may be able to charge for a verse.
There's a big difference bruh. Movies need soundtracks and scores. People get paid 1000s and some get paid more to provide that. It's a need for the movie. It's great that you get paid to do something like that, but in the end they are paying you for a service just like they pay the lighting people, make up artists, etc. It's a necessity, but they don't need your music to sell their movie. Their movie will sell itself based on it's plot, acting, etc.
I know most people nowadays don't know how, but albums can be made without guest appearances. So a guest verse is not a necessity on an album. Yes, there will be people out there that depending on your profile, sound, etc. will want you on their album and pay you and if they do, the more power to you.
I do get your perspective though. If you get x amount of money doing soundtracks or selling your own shit then theoretically you should be getting x amount of money for any other shit you do. There is value to your work and technically you should be getting that value no matter what you do, but the way to keep it in perspective is that you can get that value out of your work even if it's not in cash. If you feel you have a certain profile/resume then only mess with cats who have the same profile/resume or better.
I know most people nowadays don't know how, but albums can be made without guest appearances. So a guest verse is not a necessity on an album. Yes, there will be people out there that depending on your profile, sound, etc. will want you on their album and pay you and if they do, the more power to you.
I do get your perspective though. If you get x amount of money doing soundtracks or selling your own shit then theoretically you should be getting x amount of money for any other shit you do. There is value to your work and technically you should be getting that value no matter what you do, but the way to keep it in perspective is that you can get that value out of your work even if it's not in cash. If you feel you have a certain profile/resume then only mess with cats who have the same profile/resume or better.
Man, I'm already knowin'. I'll take royalty checks over up-front payments any day (if it's the right gig, of course). Shit, most dudes I've met in this underground thing don't even know how to set up publishing (or copyrights for that matter). They expect to make all their money off record sales. Shit is sad.
I'll be real, it's nothing to brag about and some have been in cents LOL! But that's more than most underground artist can say they have received legit from the music business. That's the problem, most seek in making the fast buck and get that money in cash. Anybody in the music business knows that the longevity of any artist is through publishings / royalty checks.
That's a better chance than trying to sell a million Cd's without publishings and never seeing another dime from it ever again
15 years can go by and somebody can pick up your song and it becomes a hit, you can continue to get checks the rest of your life if it's in a movie, soundtrack etc. Or if the artist is stupid and didn't register his song, somebody up on game will get paid off it when they had nothing to do with it. Much like Michael Jackson did to Paul McCarthy and the whole Beatles catalog.
So the last laugh would be of those who register / own their publishings.
What I meant by, "It means nothing at this point." was in reference to dude making it sound like, "My Homeboy is in a movie, that's it he made it." People in the movie business strive to make that blockbuster hit just like those of us in the music business, same difference.
I never said dude wouldn't get paid.
@ Rasan, PROPS!
Man you might get something hella random and usually small with your publishing lined up like that out here, but let's keep it real, you aint gettin royalties like that in the Bay except for from a very specific few artists. As a producer I NEVER saw royalties until I took it outside the Bay and I've fucked with damn near everyone. You think Thizz Ent. or some shit like that is really gunna break off all producers and features with royalties on a consistent basis? Hell no. You can register all your Bay shit with ASCAP and you aint gettin shit until you're on MY Ghetto Report Card or something.