SAND f.k.a. MR. SANDMAN "SUBPOENA" **UPDATED COVER**

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MR. CLEEN said:
Opinions are like Assholes, everybody has one
......and they are usually full of shit. You forgot that part.

I've found that cats on the net always feel the need to breakdown everybody's work and shit, like they are so fucking enlightened that their comments are gonna change the game.

Homeboy is on point, save the bullshit comments about C4's artwork for the art forum or some shit.

While we're at it though....lets see some artwork from the "peanut gallery"....I am sure cats would love to "critique" it.

Holla at your boy!
 

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I think when something like a cover is posted up in a public forum people are gonna respond to it if asked to or not, whether it be good or bad. There's never a problem when folks say ..."oooooh that shit is raw" but when someone says "I'm not feelin' it" the Hater word gets thrown around and egos are tarnished. Granted the artist didn't ask for feedback... but all the "raw as fuck" comments are welcomed and the "I'm not feelin its" are quickly disputed and the Hater references are thrown around like footballs.

it all goes back to the client. if they like it and you gettin paid from it... why the hell you gettin worked up over someone's dislike for the design... I recall seein a few covers posted in the past and feedback wasn't asked for.. but C-4 chimed in and said.. he'd change certain aspects about the design... that's his opinion... but the door swings both ways.

jus my two cents...
 

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MS... Come on dog... I'm glad we got muthafuckas wit heart to call it like they see it. Nobody's knockin feedback, it's a time and place for it, maybe you don't agree with that because I've seen you doggin alot of shit that was not your art in the past. This aint the Brown nose forumn, but it sure is a way to go about saying shit with out the cockiness and holier than thou attitude most cats use when critiquing shit. Most of em think they shit don't stink. That's why this forumn is always in disrupt because of all the arguing and hoe shit that goes on on this board from cats who feel like they can do or say shit at any given time. You wouldn't do it to cats face knowing it could cost you a fat lip, but from the comforts of your home computer, you can be GOD. All I'm sayin,is just like you would pull a cat to the side in person, Git at em either repsectfully, or git at him through PM. Calling somebody's art Bland in my book is a lil on the nit picking side. Even if you tryna be helpful, show some class. But I guess that's asking alot from muthafuckas with no game about they self. Actually I think some cats gone take my words the right way as I see it, and others won't. That's the beauty of the free speech... It's always more than one way to look at shit....

Shit if cats are this picky about covers, yall need to scare away some of these weak ass rappers and producers with yall honest opinions instead of trying to brown nose and ride nuts to get free cd's and flyers and call ya selves street promoters and cd reviewers... OOPS, Now I done went to far and joined the ranks of the haters.... See what you made me do MS...

P.S. MS Git at me on PM, I needed to holla at you anyway. Ya old celly is disconnected...
 
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@ BayGiants... Have you heard of the word Tact.... Look it up. It's somethin alot more cats on this board should try to use instead of having to defend your comments when somebody git at you about them. When you lack respect for somethin, you feel you can say anything at any time. This aint no art forum where we post pics for feed back. This the B.A.R.T forum where we update the fans and peers alike about what's comin next. If you giving your opinion when nobody asked you for it, then it aint constructive criticism. Really that's what the PM is for if you really felt what you had to say would help the cat. When you put it out there for everybody to see, some cats gone feel you, but I bet you more cats gone take it the wrong way, but like I said if you could care less, just imagine if C-4 could really care less about your opinion... Opinions are like Assholes, everybody has one... If a person won't buy a album because of the Font, then somebody else will.

Oh and since you brought up major labels, something I know a lil about. Check there covers and see if they don't have the most simple covers on the face of the planet. They aint sellin artwork, they sellin music and image... Don't beleive Sprite, cause Image "IS" everything...
where was I untactful?? tact doesnt mean withholding criticism, it is just doing it in a non hurtful way. You aint gonna get anywhere if you cant take a little criticism. Like I said before, this aint kindergarten, we dont need to lie about shit so feelings dont get hurt.

and about your major label thing. thanks for makin my argument for me. Image "IS" everything, including your album cover. I have no problem with simplicity, in fact I prefer simplicity. But the sand album is not what I call simple. simple is dr. dre's 2001 cover. And why does the fact that I like the damn sand cover seem to get overlooked? just cause I dont like one part of it, dont mean I dont like it overall. if it were mine, I would change the subpoena, but everything else on the cover is CLEAN.
 

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My statement wasn't based on whether you like the cover. I just responded to your statement that was directed to Mac Pacino... Don't take my words personal at all. The Sand cover is what it is... 1
 
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(ok i know my opinion wasnt asked from me..but hey...this kinda shit happens)

i think the cover is simple..from an artistic point of view..yea..sure it could be better...but the shit aint a fuckin painting..your not buying the cover to put it on your wall like a poster..your buying whats inside...too many folks put a dub on shit like the albums cover..when really its about whats inside..the product!..now sure..if u never heard of someone and they album cover is complete trash(paint program trash)..than u prolly wont fuck with it..until u hear it..now..if an album is str8 knock...and the cover looks like a kindergartner's sketch work...i will still cop that shit in a quik second..cuz its about the music..when did the game become all about appearance?..i guess when the ability to really floss a cover out came into play..and yea..when i see some sick shemp work..or some sick essquebed work..or some c-4..or some evilwayz(anyone who does graphix i forgot!!!dont wanna get caught in some net funk over this shit!) i enjoy it..i look at the cover and say..damn thats tight...but never.im sayin NEVER will i buy an album base on its cover work..of course the total package is just that much better if both the artwork and the product are hand in hand savage...but shit..if thats what you do...go into a music store and start lookin for the tightest cover to purchase..your a fuckin cake..plain and simple..

back on subject..if your business is graphix..like c-4 and a few others said..its all about the client..and if hes happy..your happy...done
 

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Ok look, this post is gettin real long and repetitive now, everybody wants to voice there opinions and speak on what they think is hate and what is not and what's called for and what's not, and this is getting way way far away from what this post was originally intended for, which was to SHOW YOU the new Sand cover, to promote his upcoming album, not to ask should it be changed, or what did he change his name, or what do you think of it, although personally being an artist, I do appreciate feedback of course, how do you know if you're improving as a designer or if people are feeling your work if you don't get feedback, but just blatantly saying some stupidly negative shit about the work, then that IS HATE, if you're just posting back some comments like hey I don't like that font, or this might look better like this, then that's fine, but when you come out and say some dumb shit like that looks like "doo doo" (the comment made by Esssqubed which me and him have cleared up) but that shit was out of line, or to say that Sand is losing sales because of the cover, and people aint gonna buy it cuz of the fonts, thats bullshit, who are you to know how it's gonna sell, when it comes down to it, it's all about the music product, half the people don't even keep the cover, they throw the cd in a case and put it in they car. And as far as the word Hater, yes it does get thrown around too much, and like I said, if you just givin feedback, fine, but if you blatantly sayin some dumb shit to make me look bad, make my work look bad, or the artist or record label that i'm working for look bad, then that IS HATING.

Anyways I know I'm kinda rambling but there has been a lot of replies since I last spoke up. Let's bring it back to square one though, it all comes down to, the client likes the work, that being SAND (MR. SANDMAN) and GET GONE RECORDS, so here is his new cover for his new album SUBPOENA, enjoy, and support that when it comes out.
 
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C-4 said:
but when you come out and say some dumb shit like that looks like "doo doo" (the comment made by Esssqubed which me and him have cleared up) but that shit was out of line
Once AGAIN...nowhere did I state that the design itself was "doo doo". & Yeah we cleared it up so let it die...I explained what I meant by what I TYPED because of your own misinterpretations & even approached you offline about it like a grown man & you keep cryin a river bringin me up. If you STILL got a problem or some misunderstanding get at me just like I got at you.

& I got 5 kids to feed so I give a good got damn about anyone else & there business or me being better than anyone...I get my hustle on...do what you do cause that's all I'm doin.

Regards
 

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it boils down to being a "yes man" i guess.

you get the dap for bein' down and supportive... but if you voice any type of opinion that says otherwise... people tend to attack you for not bein' a "yes man"

some things never change.
 

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I CAN'T FUCK WIT YES MEN SO I DON'T KNOW MANY... I ONLY FUCK REAL CATS... AND YEAH, IF YOU HAVE A MESSAGE BOARD, YOU WILL TEND TO HAVE GROUPIES THAT WILL LASH OUT IF THEY THINK YOU BEIN CONFROTNED...

I GOT YA ADDY, I'M A HIT YOU...
 

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Essqubed, don't get all bent outta shape now, i was just explaining the whole situation again, and I said that your statement was the original thing that pissed me off, which I DID SAY THAT WE CLEARED UP, read everything before getting emotional
 
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mannn...I'm sicc of this shit...so what if someone aint feelin tha text or texture etc?? aint like they pointin a gun at yo head and askin U 2 change tha muthafuca...this is a message board wit 8000 members...EXPECT Criticism and ACCEPT it 4 wat it is...if not, then don't post tha cover, wait till it's all official wit tracklisting and everything ready 2 go, because in this case U are a designer showin off tha cover U just did, I kno that isn't yur intention, but that's exactly what it is...

simple as that...

PS: criticism happens 2 tha best of us mane...
 

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"no need to get all bent outta shape yourself craig ....

geesh"

I ain't, I was replying to what he said, apparently he didn't undersatnd me

"don't post tha cover, wait till it's all official"

Rodzilla-

I wouldn't have posted it unless it IS official, I don't just post shit for the fuck of it, this is business, this is what I do....OFFICIALLY