Ron Paul Raises 4 MILLION in ONE DAY! DAMM! He Makes internet History!
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I agree 100% FINALLY someone with some BRAINS on this forum.
Yes Ron Paul is the last hope freedom..
Everyone who thinks different wants to be in a camp.. working on forced labor.. or killed in and orderly fashion...
I think Cold Blooded and the other nay sayers...
on here are just like Bill O'Reily and Sean Hannity..
but with MUCH LESS. .. pull ha aahahahhahaahha
they make me laugh....
Yes Ron Paul is the last hope freedom..
Everyone who thinks different wants to be in a camp.. working on forced labor.. or killed in and orderly fashion...
I think Cold Blooded and the other nay sayers...
on here are just like Bill O'Reily and Sean Hannity..
but with MUCH LESS. .. pull ha aahahahhahaahha
they make me laugh....
Considering he’s run for president before what are we to make of this? That you’ve never known who Ron Paul was or are just a million years behind on your info?
I’ve addressed Ron Paul and his supposed love of freedom and his lack of serious economic understanding briefly on previous occasions, but we’ll review:
His “ideas” are devoid of critical thought, fact, or historical perspective.
Example:
He is a proponent of deregulation – government imposed restrictions upon business that he believes should be removed.
The reason much of the regulations were placed on businesses have historical basis and are due to the great deal of harm they have caused the people of this country and the world.
Regulations were imposed to prevent monopolies, curb child labor, create worker safety, protect the environment, etc, etc, etc. We all have experience or at least heard stories of businesses exploiting child labor, lack of work place safety, environmental damage, but imagine what would happen if there weren’t laws to punish companies for this behavior or at least make them think twice about doing it? That’s the way things used to be and Ron Paul in his infinite genius wants to let businesses run over the American people because he believes the market responds to the people rather than to profits. i.e. HE”S CRAZY. Read Grapes of Wrath or The Jungle – they will give you a perspective on how things used to be before there were these types of protections that Ron Paul wants to do away with.
It’s a great sound bite to say “I want the government out of private citizens lives.” Hurray! Not many people can argue with that. But when you look at his reasoning behind his comments he believes the government should be out, but thinks its fine if corporations then slide in.
If you told people “Hey I think it would be a great idea to let AT&T run the freeway system in the country from now on – instead of taxes from the government they’ll send you a bill instead.” How many people would jump for joy? Not many people who’ve ever used AT&T phone service probably. Imagine if they were in charge of the roads too.
People want government out of their lives sure, but that comes at a huge cost. When given the alternative of a corporation filling that void people are equally if not more turned off. And rightfully so.
The whole point behind that sentiment is they don’t want ANYONE poking into their lives as much.
Ron Paul’s hands off business mentality would do nothing to prevent business from sliding into the voids created by a lack of government, in fact, they would encourage them.
The reason we have the massive government we have now – open to the criticisms that it receives – is because businesses have FAILED that job in the past and government alternatives HAD TO BE created to resolve the mess created.
Ron Paul and his supporters either fail to realize the economics and history behind this or they are willfully attempting to lead America down a doomed path.
Either way, this should disqualify dude from support from any rational thinker.
The Ron Paul crew on here has never to this date attempted to defend his plans/proposals with any logical or fact based economic/historic/political arguments.
Lets see if they want to try it sometime. I won’t hold my breath though.
I’ve addressed Ron Paul and his supposed love of freedom and his lack of serious economic understanding briefly on previous occasions, but we’ll review:
His “ideas” are devoid of critical thought, fact, or historical perspective.
Example:
He is a proponent of deregulation – government imposed restrictions upon business that he believes should be removed.
The reason much of the regulations were placed on businesses have historical basis and are due to the great deal of harm they have caused the people of this country and the world.
Regulations were imposed to prevent monopolies, curb child labor, create worker safety, protect the environment, etc, etc, etc. We all have experience or at least heard stories of businesses exploiting child labor, lack of work place safety, environmental damage, but imagine what would happen if there weren’t laws to punish companies for this behavior or at least make them think twice about doing it? That’s the way things used to be and Ron Paul in his infinite genius wants to let businesses run over the American people because he believes the market responds to the people rather than to profits. i.e. HE”S CRAZY. Read Grapes of Wrath or The Jungle – they will give you a perspective on how things used to be before there were these types of protections that Ron Paul wants to do away with.
It’s a great sound bite to say “I want the government out of private citizens lives.” Hurray! Not many people can argue with that. But when you look at his reasoning behind his comments he believes the government should be out, but thinks its fine if corporations then slide in.
If you told people “Hey I think it would be a great idea to let AT&T run the freeway system in the country from now on – instead of taxes from the government they’ll send you a bill instead.” How many people would jump for joy? Not many people who’ve ever used AT&T phone service probably. Imagine if they were in charge of the roads too.
People want government out of their lives sure, but that comes at a huge cost. When given the alternative of a corporation filling that void people are equally if not more turned off. And rightfully so.
The whole point behind that sentiment is they don’t want ANYONE poking into their lives as much.
Ron Paul’s hands off business mentality would do nothing to prevent business from sliding into the voids created by a lack of government, in fact, they would encourage them.
The reason we have the massive government we have now – open to the criticisms that it receives – is because businesses have FAILED that job in the past and government alternatives HAD TO BE created to resolve the mess created.
Ron Paul and his supporters either fail to realize the economics and history behind this or they are willfully attempting to lead America down a doomed path.
Either way, this should disqualify dude from support from any rational thinker.
The Ron Paul crew on here has never to this date attempted to defend his plans/proposals with any logical or fact based economic/historic/political arguments.
Lets see if they want to try it sometime. I won’t hold my breath though.
I dont count running in 88 as a run with any serious chance of accomplishing anything because it was as a 3rd party candidate. Unless your a billionaire like Perot with a ton of money to dump in your own campaign it just thins out the votes for the front runners, ie: Nader.....pretty pointless.
As far as the regulation goes...its pretty obvious that corporations lobby politicians and then politicians owe them later on. As far I know Pauls never recieved anything significant from corporate interests so my guess would be they dont like him very much.
The major media outlets are owned by huge corporations (newscorp, Rupert Murcoch) so if Paul is so good for corporate interests why do they continue to black him out compared to other candiddates? He should be great for them right?
As far as economics are concearned the fed. is a private bank...a dollar note based on gold/silver is a reciept of ownership, a fed. note is a reciept for debt. He wants to let gold/silver backed notes compete with fed. notes that are basically fiat. Would you rather have a a reciept of ownership in your pocket or an IOU to a private bank.
Before 1913, when the fed. reserve and fed. income tax came into being the country was better off, for the most part, then it is now....lower and more predictable inflation, not as much need for two incomes to raise a family, less poverty and small businesses were able to compete in a true free market system based on competition without having to worry about huge corporations (which have limited liability) eating them up.
....and in typical Ron Paul hater fashion you come with that logic of "they never defend his positions"....LOL please bro....alot of people do you just choose to ignore it.
Those are also the same people that hate Ron Paul but don't offer any other candidate or solutions to this countries existing problems
Nothing he's presenting is going to happen overnight, obviously, but the ideas and concepts are reasonable.
As far as the regulation goes...its pretty obvious that corporations lobby politicians and then politicians owe them later on. As far I know Pauls never recieved anything significant from corporate interests so my guess would be they dont like him very much.
The major media outlets are owned by huge corporations (newscorp, Rupert Murcoch) so if Paul is so good for corporate interests why do they continue to black him out compared to other candiddates? He should be great for them right?
As far as economics are concearned the fed. is a private bank...a dollar note based on gold/silver is a reciept of ownership, a fed. note is a reciept for debt. He wants to let gold/silver backed notes compete with fed. notes that are basically fiat. Would you rather have a a reciept of ownership in your pocket or an IOU to a private bank.
Before 1913, when the fed. reserve and fed. income tax came into being the country was better off, for the most part, then it is now....lower and more predictable inflation, not as much need for two incomes to raise a family, less poverty and small businesses were able to compete in a true free market system based on competition without having to worry about huge corporations (which have limited liability) eating them up.
....and in typical Ron Paul hater fashion you come with that logic of "they never defend his positions"....LOL please bro....alot of people do you just choose to ignore it.
Those are also the same people that hate Ron Paul but don't offer any other candidate or solutions to this countries existing problems
Nothing he's presenting is going to happen overnight, obviously, but the ideas and concepts are reasonable.
Businesses give money to candidates across the board that are viable. Ron Paul has zero chance of nomination from his own party let alone national electablility.
We can see the effects of de-regulation currently and how it hurts consumers, just look at the telecom industry and terrestrial radio as prime negative examples.
News = entertainment. Ron Paul = not entertaining. Also they have limited time to discuss these things and they give time to those that matter. Ron Paul probably gets more attention than Chris Dodd or Joe Biden. And we all know he gets more than Tancredo. But he doesn’t get as much coverage as a top tier candidate because he isn’t electable. Equal coverage should be what the media strives for, but they don’t.
Since the value of the currencies is fixed by the par value of each currency to gold, the remaining freedom of action is distributed between free movement of capital, and effective monetary and fiscal policy. One reason that most modern macro-economists do not support a return to gold is the fear that this remaining amount of freedom would be insufficient to combat large downturns or deflation.
Gold standard has been shown to provide insufficent flexibility in the supply of money.
Standard Oil
U.S. Steel
Then and now you see predatory pricing, price discrimination, and zone pricing. Ron Paul’s policies will only increase this practice as regulation and competition decrease.
No Ron Paul supporter on this board ever has. Congrats on a first time attempt.
I’ve got plenty of solutions, but they aren’t based upon current political system or party candidates.
His ideas and concepts aren’t reasonable that is why he is a pipe dream candidate for internet libertarians and doesn’t have any chance of winning a national election in real world politics.
We can see the effects of de-regulation currently and how it hurts consumers, just look at the telecom industry and terrestrial radio as prime negative examples.
News = entertainment. Ron Paul = not entertaining. Also they have limited time to discuss these things and they give time to those that matter. Ron Paul probably gets more attention than Chris Dodd or Joe Biden. And we all know he gets more than Tancredo. But he doesn’t get as much coverage as a top tier candidate because he isn’t electable. Equal coverage should be what the media strives for, but they don’t.
Since the value of the currencies is fixed by the par value of each currency to gold, the remaining freedom of action is distributed between free movement of capital, and effective monetary and fiscal policy. One reason that most modern macro-economists do not support a return to gold is the fear that this remaining amount of freedom would be insufficient to combat large downturns or deflation.
Gold standard has been shown to provide insufficent flexibility in the supply of money.
Standard Oil
U.S. Steel
Then and now you see predatory pricing, price discrimination, and zone pricing. Ron Paul’s policies will only increase this practice as regulation and competition decrease.
No Ron Paul supporter on this board ever has. Congrats on a first time attempt.
I’ve got plenty of solutions, but they aren’t based upon current political system or party candidates.
His ideas and concepts aren’t reasonable that is why he is a pipe dream candidate for internet libertarians and doesn’t have any chance of winning a national election in real world politics.
They give money to politicians in general wether running or not because they can still push agendas through congress...as far as I know he has never accepted any type of un-ethical contribution.
De-regulation goes both ways....the problem lies more with how corporations are a legal entity which creates very limited liability. Also because the middle class is becoming poor. People dont even have the capital try and compete owning a small business. Regulation across the board will make it even more difficult. There's to many different opinions regaurding the subject to say one is the best for everyone.
Also if the net was regulated say good by to the last real source of free press we have in this country that can effectively reach large numbers of people.
Thats completely biased based on your personal opinion of him. When was the last time Chris Dodd or Biden raised 4.3 mil in one day? Ron Paul gets more coverage but 90% is negative. The media doesnt attack other "3rd tier" candidates the way they attack him. Gee I wonder why. I Agree, they should all get equal time but again, its corporate owned media.
You wouldnt have huge bouts of inflation with a gold standard because it regulates itself for the most part. A PRIVATE bank ( the fed.) that controls inflation by creating money (debt.) out of thin air will crumble the economy eventually because it is based on debt to survive. Why do you think gold is so high right now? A fiat currency is only good for those that create and control its circulation. Period. The whole philosophy of fractional reserve banking the way it's practiced now is high way robbery.
They were two of the first and the country wasnt heavily based on huge industry up until that time.
Again, the de-reg. subject is too complicated to just say whats right or wrong. Your either limiting the free market or subsidising to help small business survive. Theres no 100% right answer.
The rest of your reply is just basically your opinion based on you not liking his philosophy which is fine.........
My problem is that just like some people claim all Paul supporters are un-educated internet people or what ever, theres just as many un-educated Ron Paul hater trolls that need some attension so they just attack to get noticed. Not that your one of them I just see that from alot of people.
De-regulation goes both ways....the problem lies more with how corporations are a legal entity which creates very limited liability. Also because the middle class is becoming poor. People dont even have the capital try and compete owning a small business. Regulation across the board will make it even more difficult. There's to many different opinions regaurding the subject to say one is the best for everyone.
Also if the net was regulated say good by to the last real source of free press we have in this country that can effectively reach large numbers of people.
Thats completely biased based on your personal opinion of him. When was the last time Chris Dodd or Biden raised 4.3 mil in one day? Ron Paul gets more coverage but 90% is negative. The media doesnt attack other "3rd tier" candidates the way they attack him. Gee I wonder why. I Agree, they should all get equal time but again, its corporate owned media.
You wouldnt have huge bouts of inflation with a gold standard because it regulates itself for the most part. A PRIVATE bank ( the fed.) that controls inflation by creating money (debt.) out of thin air will crumble the economy eventually because it is based on debt to survive. Why do you think gold is so high right now? A fiat currency is only good for those that create and control its circulation. Period. The whole philosophy of fractional reserve banking the way it's practiced now is high way robbery.
Standard Oil
U.S. Steel
Then and now you see predatory pricing, price discrimination, and zone pricing. Ron Paul’s policies will only increase this practice as regulation and competition decrease.
U.S. Steel
Then and now you see predatory pricing, price discrimination, and zone pricing. Ron Paul’s policies will only increase this practice as regulation and competition decrease.
Again, the de-reg. subject is too complicated to just say whats right or wrong. Your either limiting the free market or subsidising to help small business survive. Theres no 100% right answer.
The rest of your reply is just basically your opinion based on you not liking his philosophy which is fine.........
My problem is that just like some people claim all Paul supporters are un-educated internet people or what ever, theres just as many un-educated Ron Paul hater trolls that need some attension so they just attack to get noticed. Not that your one of them I just see that from alot of people.
This also speaks to Ron Paul’s inability as a member of congress too.
We’ll see. I can’t access a good site with info on this right now cuz work blocks them.
The middle class isn’t becoming poor from taxation or from regulation of business. They are becoming poor because of inflation which is in return not re-compensated by their employers – which results in them making less money year to year, but their employers making increasingly more. Because of deregulation which has caused fewer options for consumers, but also higher prices (telecom, health care, insurance, etc) – yet that is the opposite of what Paul and other “libertarians” claim is supposed to happen. Because of de-unionization and “free trade” deals that send jobs to other countries while converting the U.S. economy to service based, which has the effect of eliminating jobs that have for decades provided sustained living wages for families to survive on – yet that is the opposite of what Paul and other “libertarians” claim is supposed to happen with free-trade and the free-market. The result, in part, is a huge dependence on this class relying on credit to sustain their lifestyle. Which is also destroying the middle class.
People used similar reasoning to advocate for Dean in ’04 and he was far more electable than Paul. “Wow, look at all that internet support and net money.” Which has yet to translate then or now into real life votes. Dodd and Biden may not raise the same amount of money as Paul, but they still poll the same or greater numbers within both parties and eligible voters as Paul.
My stance on his electablity is based upon history, political SCIENCE, and evidence from his own party’s polls and electoral “barometers” i.e. Iowa Straw Poll.
You get huge bouts of deflation with gold standard though. Gold standard reactionaries love to gush over gold’s current status but have short term memory lapse. Gold’s current value is inflated itself because of the international market, U.S. debt, currency exchanges, world political instability, and high commodities prices (esp Oil). Pegging your currency to the value of a commodity has always been a risky proposition and historically has created many problems.
I use them as examples because they weren’t even being regulated/broken up until about 1914 and you were glorifying the pre-1913 days. The same days of big monopolies. Child labor, sweatshops, 16 hr work days, etc are generally absent from American life due in large part to Unionization and Regulation. Ron Paul wants to do away with those types of things. Bringing companies that exploit the labor of the 3rd world currently to the U.S. isn’t so great when they come back due to lax standards that allow them to exploit the American people instead.
As I have been pointing out regulation isn’t just about subsidizing underperforming businesses. It is also a protection for the consumer, the worker, and the economy/society as a whole.
This is what businesses understand and the mainstream Republicans and Democrats understand as well. The U.S. has struck a fairly good balance between being 100% “free market” and being totally regulated and subsidized.
Total regulation and subsidization means the end of “free market” capitalism true, but 100% free reign of business will hurt most businesses and 99% of the population. Even economists that Libertarians love to invoke (Adam Smith, David Richardo, etc) advocate for regulation of business knowing the dangers of business run wild.
We’ll see. I can’t access a good site with info on this right now cuz work blocks them.
The middle class isn’t becoming poor from taxation or from regulation of business. They are becoming poor because of inflation which is in return not re-compensated by their employers – which results in them making less money year to year, but their employers making increasingly more. Because of deregulation which has caused fewer options for consumers, but also higher prices (telecom, health care, insurance, etc) – yet that is the opposite of what Paul and other “libertarians” claim is supposed to happen. Because of de-unionization and “free trade” deals that send jobs to other countries while converting the U.S. economy to service based, which has the effect of eliminating jobs that have for decades provided sustained living wages for families to survive on – yet that is the opposite of what Paul and other “libertarians” claim is supposed to happen with free-trade and the free-market. The result, in part, is a huge dependence on this class relying on credit to sustain their lifestyle. Which is also destroying the middle class.
People used similar reasoning to advocate for Dean in ’04 and he was far more electable than Paul. “Wow, look at all that internet support and net money.” Which has yet to translate then or now into real life votes. Dodd and Biden may not raise the same amount of money as Paul, but they still poll the same or greater numbers within both parties and eligible voters as Paul.
My stance on his electablity is based upon history, political SCIENCE, and evidence from his own party’s polls and electoral “barometers” i.e. Iowa Straw Poll.
You get huge bouts of deflation with gold standard though. Gold standard reactionaries love to gush over gold’s current status but have short term memory lapse. Gold’s current value is inflated itself because of the international market, U.S. debt, currency exchanges, world political instability, and high commodities prices (esp Oil). Pegging your currency to the value of a commodity has always been a risky proposition and historically has created many problems.
I use them as examples because they weren’t even being regulated/broken up until about 1914 and you were glorifying the pre-1913 days. The same days of big monopolies. Child labor, sweatshops, 16 hr work days, etc are generally absent from American life due in large part to Unionization and Regulation. Ron Paul wants to do away with those types of things. Bringing companies that exploit the labor of the 3rd world currently to the U.S. isn’t so great when they come back due to lax standards that allow them to exploit the American people instead.
As I have been pointing out regulation isn’t just about subsidizing underperforming businesses. It is also a protection for the consumer, the worker, and the economy/society as a whole.
This is what businesses understand and the mainstream Republicans and Democrats understand as well. The U.S. has struck a fairly good balance between being 100% “free market” and being totally regulated and subsidized.
Total regulation and subsidization means the end of “free market” capitalism true, but 100% free reign of business will hurt most businesses and 99% of the population. Even economists that Libertarians love to invoke (Adam Smith, David Richardo, etc) advocate for regulation of business knowing the dangers of business run wild.
Ron Paul is dope. Even if he had ideas I was totally against, I'd still see him as being an honest speaking candidate with a lot of charisma, especially in comparison to the other choices.
Fuck all candidates. But at least lets get a real human being behind the podium, instead of listening to these fucking robots we've had the last two decades (with the exception of clinton, he had major speaking skills).
Who cares if you say "theres no chance he can win". No one else is really any better for the job, lol. Might as well just do what you feel like.
Fuck all candidates. But at least lets get a real human being behind the podium, instead of listening to these fucking robots we've had the last two decades (with the exception of clinton, he had major speaking skills).
Who cares if you say "theres no chance he can win". No one else is really any better for the job, lol. Might as well just do what you feel like.
^yeah thats cool im not saying its wrong for him to support Ron Paul. it just seems like a lot of people that support Ron Paul just do it because he wants to legalize weed. Which is cool with me, but there are also candidates out there who want to do that, WITHOUT eliminating Department of Education, IRS, etc, etc.
but basically fuck politics and fuck a two party system
but basically fuck politics and fuck a two party system
