Ron Paul, NAU, and the amero.

[ColdBlooded]

I was just trying to make a point by saying you could fill someone's name in...IE: YOUR OWN (I've done that before, lol).

I don't want my ballot tossed out because my vote does count for local elections.

But I also think if you wait for someone who's exactly like you, you're wasting your time and life....if you're waiting for that person, maybe it means you should get off your ass and do something about it.

I'm not waiting for anybody. Nor do I want someone just like me. People with my ideology do not participate in U.S. elections, thus waiting for someone or wishing for someone, would of course be futile and a waste of time.

Standing in elections is not a worthwhile endeavor nor is it a proper use of time and resources.

Participating in the American electoral system on a national level can create significant progress/change - no matter what your platform is.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Ron Paul is probably the closest, I heard he wants to decriminalize or legalize marijuana--which is a big thing, plus the guns, getting rid of irs, fed tax etc....but i fucking HATE capitalism.

You're one confused little man.

 

[I AM]

You're one confused little man.

At least tell me why you believe this to be true. Maybe I should stop reading shit on here and click the links...? lol.....I'm more likely to not vote, so it doesn't really matter anyway. People that think voting really does something are fooling themselves anyway...except in local elections and maybe state elections.

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

So who is on the Anarchist ticket in 08?

 

[FreedomLost]

Cold Blooded wrote

I don't like anyone that feels participating in the American electoral system on a national level can create significant progress/change.

Cold Blooded next post

Participating in the American electoral system on a national level can create significant progress/change - no matter what your platform is.

Was this a typo or are you trying to make a point?

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

^
yeah i had just noticed that too and was wondering if it was a typo

@coldblooded:

Its one thing to say you dont like any of the candidates, I can understand that.

But if your beef is with the system in which these people are elected why is it that you vest such intrest in the downfall of a candidate? (In simple speak, why you hatin the playa and not the game?)

Your an intelligent individual, and ive asked you numerous times what your solution is, not to be fecetious, but as a querey into what drives your constant cynicism. I wouldnt consider it cynicism if you offered your opinion on what should be done but you haven't done that. You speak about "people with my ideology dont participate in elections."

But that won't stop you from voicing your problems with a specific person without stating your opinion about a solution that you would prefer.. if its the structure that put him their in the first place..

and So ill ask you again, if its a personal thing you dont have to answer but If you and the people of your ilk do not participate in elections, what is your political leaning? would you consider yourself communist or anarchist? In the world according to coldblooded how should our country be governed? basically

 

[ColdBlooded]

Was this a typo or are you trying to make a point?

Typo

 

[P.E.]

ron paul is a dr.!...and is for and believes marijuana can heal...hes for legalization and for not imposing goverment on people who use marijuana!...hes like the only one who still believes in the constitution and all its values our forefathers brought to the table!....hes right about the fact that the u.s.a should not get in other countrys problem and act like were policing the fucking world and just protect our own borders!...but at the same time still have free trade wit other nations!...i mean think about it...do we really want this obama fool in office,..sum coconutt?!...let alone sum bitch in office who cant even run her own marriage and keep track of her own husband?!... and do we really want another era of clintons and bush's and all them people?!....plus all the other candidates look like phonie presidents like u see in movies or sumthing all fucking fake1...like ol romeny and richardson and all them fools!.....ron paul is humble yo ..and thats wut this country needs right now!..........................ron paul for president 2008!

 

[ColdBlooded]

At least tell me why you believe this to be true.

Because out of one side of your mouth you say how much you hate Capitalism, but then out of the other you big up Ron Paul who heralds himself as the most "true" capitalist of all the candidates.

It seems as though you’re confused as to what many of the terms and ideologies being discussed represent OR that you are confused as to what your own preferences are.

 

[ColdBlooded]

But if your beef is with the system in which these people are elected why is it that you vest such intrest in the downfall of a candidate?

First: Because now is the time to hate the players of the game. It is primary season where we have a number of people to be critical of. Come November when everyone is saying “Choose or Lose” and “Vote or Die” I’ll be making note of how that is all garbage.

Ron Paul gets my attention because people bring him up more than anyone else in this forum & because I believe not only that his policies, if ever enacted, would do more harm to the U.S. than any other candidate, but that most of the Ron Paul supporters fall for sound bites and tid bits of info that they do not understand.

He also gets my attention from a political science perspective since his base of support is primarily young and tied to the internet. My contention is that this base of support can not translate into meaningful support on state or national levels which would influence the current electoral process.

If you and the people of your ilk do not participate in elections, what is your political leaning? would you consider yourself communist or anarchist? In the world according to coldblooded how should our country be governed? basically

Communist

would you consider yourself communist or anarchist?

Communist/anarcho syndicalist

In the world according to coldblooded how should our country be governed?

By the people

 

[I AM]

Because out of one side of your mouth you say how much you hate Capitalism, but then out of the other you big up Ron Paul who heralds himself as the most "true" capitalist of all the candidates.

It seems as though you’re confused as to what many of the terms and ideologies being discussed represent OR that you are confused as to what your own preferences are.

I don't have to agree with every last thing for every candidate.

I think you took shit way too serious and out of context a little bit.

If you remember anything that I've ever said in the past, I don't support Capitalism, especially the way Ron Paul wants it to be. I might agree with SOME things that he says, but that doesn't mean I agree with EVERYTHING. That should be a no-brainer, but I guess not.

 

[ColdBlooded]

I'm just going by what you say. Seems funny style to be vehemently anti-capitalist, but then support a capitalist candidate - especially one like Ron Paul.
I don’t think it is possible for 2 people to agree on everything all the time, so obviously I don’t expect people to agree with EVERYTHING candidates take positions on, but saying “If I voted I’d vote for . . . .” means you agree with them on more things than any other possible candidate.

I guess it is an issue of priorities.

Pot & Isolationism > further subjugation of people to corporations

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I guess it is an issue of priorities.

Pot & Isolationism > further subjugation of people to corporations

You are right, it is an issue of priorities but you are looking at the superficial policy issues and not the intrinsic political issue.

Like I said in another thread the issue at stake here is the inherent definition of "government". I believe that a government's job is to protect people from each other, not to protect people from themselves. Ron Paul is a step in that direction, and as far as political priorities go, I am willing to accept all the negative potential outcomes you have detailed in other threads so long as the issue of what a government is meant to do is addressed.

The issue is not legalizing pot; the issue is that’s not the government's business. I support Ron Paul not because I want weed legalized but because I don't believe the government has the right to tell me that is or isn't legal.

 

[ColdBlooded]

This is where critical thinking for Ron Paul supporters would start to create some division and real reflection upon what this guy proposes. But I don’t think most Ron Paul supporters are willing to be that critical or take that much time for reflection – not that it is any different than any other American voter – he’s just the subject currently.

The scope of government and its relationship to the citizenry’s lives is an important discussion. But it is not one that is being had. Instead people hear – less government, lower taxes. It’s a great sound bite to say “I want the government out of private citizens lives.” Hurray! Not many people can argue with that. But when you look at his reasoning behind his comments he believes the government should be out, but thinks its fine if corporations then slide in.

He claims to be a constitutionalist, yet diminishing the state in the ways he proposes and supplanting it with corporations is ANTI-AMERICAN. The U.S. was founded upon the general idea of the social contract justification for the state. A Legitimate state being one which meets the needs and wishes of its citizens, most prominently: security, peace, economic development, and the resolution of conflict. These are neither things corporations are interested in, willing to do, or capable of doing.

Private property is also prided by Ron Paul supporters, but as they advocate towards Stateless Capitalism they fail to realize that the institution of private property only exists due to government.

The basic tennants of the guiding theories of Ron Paul and his supporters base their lives upon have been proven by history to be failures, not only for the people, but for the corporations as well. The only reason capitalism has reached such a level of “success”; is due to the “aid” of government.

 

[I AM]

I'm just going by what you say. Seems funny style to be vehemently anti-capitalist, but then support a capitalist candidate - especially one like Ron Paul.
I don’t think it is possible for 2 people to agree on everything all the time, so obviously I don’t expect people to agree with EVERYTHING candidates take positions on, but saying “If I voted I’d vote for . . . .” means you agree with them on more things than any other possible candidate.

I guess it is an issue of priorities.

Pot & Isolationism > further subjugation of people to corporations

How am I supporting ANY candidate? I'm not voting. I may agree with some of the points he makes but that doesn't make me a supporter. If I went to meetings, and fundraisers and shit like that, then maybe you could call me a supporter. But all I did was sit here on the computer and type in something along the lines of, "I agree with a lot of the things he says, except the capitalism part." To me, the capitalism part ruins it all anyway.

I may like the idea of no federal income tax but I don't think that's the best way for things to work in this country. Hypothetically speaking, no taxes would be fucking great. But then we'd probably end up with private roads and all sorts of retarded shit because corporations would be the ones taking care of things through what Ron Paul calls, "charity." Just because I say I like something, doesn't mean I think it's right for everyone. Not everyone should smoke weed, but I think there should be an option to, considering marijuana is a lot less deadly than alcohol--in pretty much all areas (driving, OD/poisoning etc).

But you are right, if the candidate isn't pro-decriminalization or pro-legalization for marijuana, I won't fucking vote for them. It just shows how ignorant they are to the facts about marijuana and I can't vote for someone that stupid.

But I do also think that the government should get the FUCK out of the individual citizen's life, unless they ask for help. I mean, welfare isn't going to go away. So if people need the government, it should be there, if they don't, the government should buzz the fuck off and deal with people who want their help or that need it, or they could just deal with things that were more relevant to bettering our country as a whole.

 

[ColdBlooded]

I’ve just been going off this stuff:

he[Ron Paul] will NEVER win in this country, but if he did, i imagine things would get a little bit better.

If I was going to vote, I'd probably end up voting for Ron Paul....

I'd have to agree with you on that. I don't think there's any candidate that has close enough ideals to my own for me to want to vote.

Ron Paul is probably the closest

mine:

 

[I AM]

You do realize that what I was saying there is hypothetical considering I've said that I'm not going to vote so it really doesn't matter. If I was going to vote, I wouldn't vote for someone that deems themself to be a Republican.

It's also nice how you pick out certain sentences to put together, without the parts that contrasted those ideas. Kind of like how I don't support capitalism, I mean, if you had actually read that--and processed it the way you should have, you would have known that would make me not want to vote for him.....

I don't personally like any of the candidates that I've heard about or read about so far, at least not enough to vote.

Even if someone was pro-weed and less gov't, if they supported a capitalist system I wouldn't vote for them. I might like the idea that they support decriminalization of marijuana or legalization, but that doesn't mean anything besides that. I think you have a tendency to read into things further than they need to be....and sometimes you just don't read everything as a whole, you pick out points that you think don't make sense, but if you read everything you'd understand more.

 

[ColdBlooded]

It's also nice how you pick out certain sentences to put together, without the parts that contrasted those ideas. Kind of like how I don't support capitalism, I mean, if you had actually read that--and processed it the way you should have, you would have known that would make me not want to vote for him.....

No it just made me think you were silly. If you are in a thread about voting and political candidates why are you saying "If I were to vote I'd vote for Ron Paul" if you're not going to vote? Why would you say "If I were to vote I'd vote for Ron Paul" if you're anti-capitalist. Just seems silly.

I chose to address your support for Ron Paul because that is what the fucking thread is all about.

When each sentence contradicts the one before what are people supposed to think? Do we pick sentence one or sentence two? I picked both and bet you just didn't know what you were talking about. I guess I should have picked neither and assumed retarded. :ermm:

 

[ColdBlooded]

Anyone wanna talk about 5th place?

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

I am pretty excited with 5th place in Iowa. To tell you the truth, I was shocked that he beat Giuliani.

I was also suprised to see Huckabee take Iowa because I thought everyone had already declared it was a lock for Romney, and The Huckster beat him by almost 10%.