Ron Paul a boss or what?
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He's a crazy old man. A boss wouldn't come in 5th in the Iowa straw poll either. Dude is a total non-factor in the congress - again not a boss.
Voting for president in this country is a waste of time sure, but a vote for Ron Paul is a waste and proof of a low IQ.
Someone should help me find a crazy street person and let's get him signed up to run in the primary for the republican party so he can just talk like a crazy person and spout some totally off the wall shit and win a huge internet following, yet not have an ice cube's chance in hell of ever winning anything. Who's down?
We could flood message boards totally jocking the loony toon - it would be really cool!
Voting for president in this country is a waste of time sure, but a vote for Ron Paul is a waste and proof of a low IQ.
Someone should help me find a crazy street person and let's get him signed up to run in the primary for the republican party so he can just talk like a crazy person and spout some totally off the wall shit and win a huge internet following, yet not have an ice cube's chance in hell of ever winning anything. Who's down?
We could flood message boards totally jocking the loony toon - it would be really cool!
CB....this is basically what I was getting at the other day with you.
I, myself, will admit I do not know a great deal of the "in's" and "out's" of politics. I think since you know a greater deal than the norm here, you should tell us why he (Ron) is crazy...
but I know you prolly wont, because as you have stated before...its a waste of time.
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I, myself, will admit I do not know a great deal of the "in's" and "out's" of politics. I think since you know a greater deal than the norm here, you should tell us why he (Ron) is crazy...
but I know you prolly wont, because as you have stated before...its a waste of time.
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THAT"S THE POINT! It doesn't. It represents what the people in his own fucking political party think of him! Obviously, not very highly. They would rather vote for Tom Tancrado's racist isolationism than for Ron Paul. That's quite a statement.
It also shows how his internet popularity does not equal actual votes. Mitt Romney was openly paying for people to attend the straw poll so they could participate. If people wanted to vote for Ron Paul their expences for entering the straw poll could have been paid for totally by a rival campaign no less. He still couldn't break 5th place!
That shows both that the "popularity" of his "ideas" can neither turn out voters to support them nor can they help him to build the type of organizational structure needed in a major political campaign (one that is helpful in turning out voters).
See what i'm saying here?
I’ll touch on 2 subjects related to Ron Paul for now. I also want to add that my criticisms run deep for other candidates running for president, but Ron Paul is so far off in the deep end that he makes for an easy target, especially when people on the net jock him so hard.
- He’s not a boss in congress:
Example – do a search for the last piece of legislation he sponsored or co-sponsored that got passed by the house. It was over 4 years ago at least. Look at the type of legislation he sponsors – he proposes cutting government waste left and right, but nearly all of his sponsored legislation is government waste.
- His “ideas” are devoid of critical thought, fact, or historical perspective.
Example:
He is a proponent of deregulation – government imposed restrictions upon business that he believes should be removed.
The reason much of the regulations were placed on businesses have historical basis and are due to the great deal of harm they have caused the people of this country and the world.
Regulations were imposed to prevent monopolies, curb child labor, create worker safety, protect the environment, etc, etc, etc. We all have experience or at least heard stories of businesses exploiting child labor, lack of work place safety, environmental damage, but imagine what would happen if there weren’t laws to punish companies for this behavior or at least make them think twice about doing it? That’s the way things used to be and Ron Paul in his infinite genius wants to let businesses run over the American people because he believes the market responds to the people rather than to profits. i.e. HE”S CRAZY. Read Grapes of Wrath or The Jungle – they will give you a perspective on how things used to be before there were these types of protections that Ron Paul wants to do away with.
This is why in the previous thread I said: “I disagree with almost everything he says and with EVERYTHING when his reasoning is taken into consideration.”
Because it’s a great sound bite to say “I want the government out of private citizens lives.” Hurray! Not many people can argue with that. But when you look at his reasoning behind his comments he believes the government should be out, but thinks its fine if corporations then slide in.
If you told people “Hey I think it would be a great idea to let AT&T run the freeway system in the country from now on – instead of taxes from the government they’ll send you a bill instead.” How many people would jump for joy? Not many people who’ve ever used AT&T phone service probably. Imagine if they were in charge of the roads too.
People want government out of their lives sure, but that comes at a huge cost. When given the alternative of a corporation filling that void people are equally if not more turned off. And rightfully so.
The whole point behind that sentiment is they don’t want ANYONE poking into their lives as much.
Ron Paul’s hands off business mentality would do nothing to prevent business from sliding into the voids created by a lack of government, in fact, they would encourage them.
The reason we have the massive government we have now – open to the criticisms that it receives – is because businesses have FAILED that job in the past and government alternatives HAD TO BE created to resolve the mess created..
politics is a joke.
I don't live in Iowa I don't even know what a straw poll is. And I'm sure the majority feel the same way. Does that mean they won't vote for them? Does that even matter, lol no. even if he did win the popular vote, he wouldn't win the electoral college vote. and by the way what purpose is popular vote when electoral votes dictate the outcome?
I don't live in Iowa I don't even know what a straw poll is. And I'm sure the majority feel the same way. Does that mean they won't vote for them? Does that even matter, lol no. even if he did win the popular vote, he wouldn't win the electoral college vote. and by the way what purpose is popular vote when electoral votes dictate the outcome?
I think CB and I did a fairly decent job explaining why Ron Paul is a douchebag:
2-0-Sixx wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
2-0-Sixx wrote:
I don't think he is.
As I said before, to me he seems to be playing a similar role of Dennis Kucinich, but for the Republicans, which is to appeal to some of the disenfranchised and anti-Iraq war crowd and bring them to the Republican party. Why else is he running as a Republican? Why not an independent, or libertarian?
Plus, I don't agree with his views. Yes, he has said some neat things, Whoopty doo, who hasn't?
He supports free trade.
Free market health care.
Tighter border security.
School prayer.
He has defined embryos and fetuses as persons would make abortion murder and outlaw stem cell research and says Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
plus he's probably a racist as well.
As I said before, to me he seems to be playing a similar role of Dennis Kucinich, but for the Republicans, which is to appeal to some of the disenfranchised and anti-Iraq war crowd and bring them to the Republican party. Why else is he running as a Republican? Why not an independent, or libertarian?
Plus, I don't agree with his views. Yes, he has said some neat things, Whoopty doo, who hasn't?
He supports free trade.
Free market health care.
Tighter border security.
School prayer.
He has defined embryos and fetuses as persons would make abortion murder and outlaw stem cell research and says Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
plus he's probably a racist as well.
ColdBlooded wrote:
Why would I vote for him? I disagree with almost everything he says and with EVERYTHING when his reasoning is taken into consideration.
Some basic reasons why Ron Paul is NOT "Left Wing":
He believes in total private education - wants to do away with all public school programs so people will have to pay for an education
He believes unions are bad, but monopolies are good
He believes in total private health care - wants to do away with all public health programs
He believes social security is bad - wants to do away with it totally
He believes no woman has a right to chose
He's an isolationist - that's his reasoning for opposing the Iraq war
He believes businesses will take care of people because they wouldn't survive if they didn't serve the people well – wants to do away with consumer protection
He's opposed to NAFTA, GATT, WTO, etc ONLY because they restrict the power of the U.S. market and NOT because of the harm they do to workers
Some basic reasons why Ron Paul is NOT "Left Wing":
He believes in total private education - wants to do away with all public school programs so people will have to pay for an education
He believes unions are bad, but monopolies are good
He believes in total private health care - wants to do away with all public health programs
He believes social security is bad - wants to do away with it totally
He believes no woman has a right to chose
He's an isolationist - that's his reasoning for opposing the Iraq war
He believes businesses will take care of people because they wouldn't survive if they didn't serve the people well – wants to do away with consumer protection
He's opposed to NAFTA, GATT, WTO, etc ONLY because they restrict the power of the U.S. market and NOT because of the harm they do to workers
Ron Paul before running for president has chosen to run for the Republican Party nomination for president.
The majority of the American people are neither Democrats nor Republicans. Thus their feelings don’t really matter at this point.
What matters is what republicans think of him – or to a broader extent what people who want to register as republicans because they like Ron Paul so much think of him.
You’re getting waaaaay to far ahead of yourself on this one, by jumping into a conversation about the Electoral College and popular vote.
The straw poll is the closest thing to a popular vote among Iowa republicans during party presidential nominations that there is. He couldn’t crack 5th. If he can’t crack 5th in his own party’s popular vote in the state how is he going to do in the caucus? Answer = very poor.
His inability to rank higher than 5th in a contest representing the party of maybe 1/4th of the U.S. population when 2 more popular candidates (Giuliani and McCain) didn’t even participate shows how little support the man really has. And that is why it is significant.
For all the message board jockery and youtube fawning that Ron Paul gets it does not translate into real life support.
Real life support translates into real life elections.
The majority of the American people are neither Democrats nor Republicans. Thus their feelings don’t really matter at this point.
What matters is what republicans think of him – or to a broader extent what people who want to register as republicans because they like Ron Paul so much think of him.
You’re getting waaaaay to far ahead of yourself on this one, by jumping into a conversation about the Electoral College and popular vote.
The straw poll is the closest thing to a popular vote among Iowa republicans during party presidential nominations that there is. He couldn’t crack 5th. If he can’t crack 5th in his own party’s popular vote in the state how is he going to do in the caucus? Answer = very poor.
His inability to rank higher than 5th in a contest representing the party of maybe 1/4th of the U.S. population when 2 more popular candidates (Giuliani and McCain) didn’t even participate shows how little support the man really has. And that is why it is significant.
For all the message board jockery and youtube fawning that Ron Paul gets it does not translate into real life support.
Real life support translates into real life elections.
@ CB...
You have your take on Ron Paul and I respect it. I think it is a little unfair, hoewever, to judge him based on how his own party votes for him mainly because he is obviously going against the norm! He may be crazy to you, but he seems fair to other people. To myself, it is a almost a breathe of freshair.
@ 2-0sixx....I understood why CB doesnt like ron Paul but I am talking about other threads where it is just a one liner and no actual reason to why. I think CB knows alot about politics and has alot to offer, I just want him to share sometimes....thats all.
@ you both.....thanks for providing information on your reasons.
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You have your take on Ron Paul and I respect it. I think it is a little unfair, hoewever, to judge him based on how his own party votes for him mainly because he is obviously going against the norm! He may be crazy to you, but he seems fair to other people. To myself, it is a almost a breathe of freshair.
@ 2-0sixx....I understood why CB doesnt like ron Paul but I am talking about other threads where it is just a one liner and no actual reason to why. I think CB knows alot about politics and has alot to offer, I just want him to share sometimes....thats all.
@ you both.....thanks for providing information on your reasons.
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His party is what gets him elected not the public. If the public was so moved they could have voted in the straw poll for free as I mentioned, but because his internet popularity does not translate into real life this did not happen.
Seriously if you think this guy is so great people post up a specific policy initiative or idea this man has that is so appealing and I will tell you why it really isn't.
Threads about Ron Paul being the only way to stop the illuminati or how he's such a boss really don't call for more than a one line reply about how he's a crazy person. You're lucky you've gotten this much out of me in this thread.
I'm open to political questions and how things work, but they have to be done with some intelligence at least.
Seriously if you think this guy is so great people post up a specific policy initiative or idea this man has that is so appealing and I will tell you why it really isn't.
Threads about Ron Paul being the only way to stop the illuminati or how he's such a boss really don't call for more than a one line reply about how he's a crazy person. You're lucky you've gotten this much out of me in this thread.
I'm open to political questions and how things work, but they have to be done with some intelligence at least.
Let's sum this thread up easily...
CB= A total dumb ass who WANTS to be a slave..
witha mircochip in him whp will be tracked and traced.. the the Fed will take any amount of money they want out of him .. whenever they WANT. and then he will say I am so happy I voted for Brack who is in the CFR.
Or Hillary who is in the CFR.
He says I am so smart.. not I have my microchip... and I have NO privacy.. wow I feel so free.. and They can take any amount out of any money I make in taxes they please... since they can see all the digital money I make.
But yeah Ron Paul is crazy.. I hate FREEDOM..
Which is what he stand for .. along with the constitution
But Yeah go head vote for Barack, or Hillary...
Say goodbye to FREEDOm.. and say hello to a rule more Sinister than Hitler's you dumb mohter fucker you! lol
Vote Ron Paul in 08....
and fuck anything that CB says.. LOL
He'a talks a lot of shit.. but can;t back anything up...
Look Ron Raul.. and see how he stand for freedom....
and the rights of all people... and in the end that's all that
counts.
CB= A total dumb ass who WANTS to be a slave..
witha mircochip in him whp will be tracked and traced.. the the Fed will take any amount of money they want out of him .. whenever they WANT. and then he will say I am so happy I voted for Brack who is in the CFR.
Or Hillary who is in the CFR.
He says I am so smart.. not I have my microchip... and I have NO privacy.. wow I feel so free.. and They can take any amount out of any money I make in taxes they please... since they can see all the digital money I make.
But yeah Ron Paul is crazy.. I hate FREEDOM..
Which is what he stand for .. along with the constitution
But Yeah go head vote for Barack, or Hillary...
Say goodbye to FREEDOm.. and say hello to a rule more Sinister than Hitler's you dumb mohter fucker you! lol
Vote Ron Paul in 08....
and fuck anything that CB says.. LOL
He'a talks a lot of shit.. but can;t back anything up...
Look Ron Raul.. and see how he stand for freedom....
and the rights of all people... and in the end that's all that
counts.