Ray Rice KOs wife video

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that newer video, to me, shows that she made contact first like she threw a elbow to his face all crazy right quick,..then he pushed,struck, wutever u want to call it, her face just as hard as she did, and then he just backed up,...she then gets crazy and looks like shes gonna lunge or rush him,.and so then he just hit her to stop her,..to me thats kind of on the side of self defense!..her laying out for a minute was either her acting or she really hit her head or he landed it just so clean right quick ,BIP!,lol..i dont condone hitting a beezy,..but from the video, its obvious he wasnt totally at fault,..people are just quick to point out the worse before asking any questions!
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You can tell when his body jerked she had shoved him...he mushed her face...then backed up...she charged him...now if this was another man who charged him like that Ray was in self defense...the sequence shows it...the law is supposed to state that it doesn't matter about gender if you are meeting "aggression" with equal "aggression" which he did. The key is "he backed up"....and "she came forward". It's gonna be interesting to see how this goes down in court. Scenario #1- Did he reach for the elevator control and was pushed...then he is the one who was assaulted? Scenario #2- Did he grab her by the arm THEN she pushed him...he is the one who assaulted her. Big question: once he backed up after mushing her face had the assault STOPPED? Possible conclusion: once she charges at him SHE now becomes the ASSAILANT. I used to go through scenarios in class like this...even Mike Tyson can be "battered" or "assaulted" by a smaller person like a woman or elderly person, file charges and win.



 
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You can tell when his body jerked she had shoved him...he mushed her face...then backed up...she charged him...now if this was another man who charged him like that Ray was in self defense...the sequence shows it...the law is supposed to state that it doesn't matter about gender if you are meeting "aggression" with equal "aggression" which he did. The key is "he backed up"....and "she came forward". It's gonna be interesting to see how this goes down in court. Scenario #1- Did he reach for the elevator control and was pushed...then he is the one who was assaulted? Scenario #2- Did he grab her by the arm THEN she pushed him...he is the one who assaulted her. Big question: once he backed up after mushing her face had the assault STOPPED? Possible conclusion: once she charges at him SHE now becomes the ASSAILANT. I used to go through scenarios in class like this...even Mike Tyson can be "battered" or "assaulted" by a smaller person like a woman or elderly person, file charges and win.



Right, aggression. From a woman who is 100 lbs lighter then he is. And is drunk.

Was Ray in some kind of "danger" from a 110 pound drunk woman without a deadly weapon in her hand?
 

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You can tell when his body jerked she had shoved him...he mushed her face...then backed up...she charged him...now if this was another man who charged him like that Ray was in self defense...the sequence shows it...the law is supposed to state that it doesn't matter about gender if you are meeting "aggression" with equal "aggression" which he did. The key is "he backed up"....and "she came forward". It's gonna be interesting to see how this goes down in court. Scenario #1- Did he reach for the elevator control and was pushed...then he is the one who was assaulted? Scenario #2- Did he grab her by the arm THEN she pushed him...he is the one who assaulted her. Big question: once he backed up after mushing her face had the assault STOPPED? Possible conclusion: once she charges at him SHE now becomes the ASSAILANT. I used to go through scenarios in class like this...even Mike Tyson can be "battered" or "assaulted" by a smaller person like a woman or elderly person, file charges and win.



thats coward talk.

a little ass woman aint gonna do shit to a big ass muhfucker like ray rice

only a sucka gonna try & condone his actions.

if dude had one ounce of a brain cell he'd of kept it movin & left her where he found her
 

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thats coward talk.

a little ass woman aint gonna do shit to a big ass muhfucker like ray rice

only a sucka gonna try & condone his actions.

if dude had one ounce of a brain cell he'd of kept it movin & left her where he found her
he shoulda never followed her in the elevator. PERIOD. they was arguing before they even got in. should have just kept it moving.
 
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Yeah but you are missing the point...so what he went into the elevator...the point of argument is the moment he or she made the first hostile contact...and 2nd if she had warded off his "attack" as he moved backwards...had she become the "attacker" and was met with a "counter" left hook. I ain't condoning it...he should have let it ride...BUT the law is the law however wrong it may be in this situation. I'm not saying I'm right about my interpretation but this is how I remember stuff like this playing out in regards to, Assault, Battery, Torts, Negligence, stuff in class.
 
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Yeah but you are missing the point...so what he went into the elevator...the point of argument is the moment he or she made the first hostile contact...and 2nd if she had warded off his "attack" as he moved backwards...had she become the "attacker" and was met with a "counter" left hook. I ain't condoning it...he should have let it ride...BUT the law is the law however wrong it may be in this situation. I'm not saying I'm right about my interpretation but this is how I remember stuff like this playing out in regards to, Assault, Battery, Torts, Negligence, stuff in class.
For self defense to be applicable (in CA) you need three things. 1. Reasonable threat from unlawful contact, 2. a reasonable belief that force is required and 3. no force more nescessary to stop the threat.

As for court, it already played out. He was able to plead and entered a diversion program. However, what these people are doing is a witch hunt. The DA was within legal right to not bring this before a grand jury and the punishment is consistant with punishment for first time offenders. In addition, if she did spit on him, she could have been charged with assault.

So, would any sane DA let him walk free (no charges filed) because she spit on him? I seriously doubt it. If this were Jerome from Compton or Tyrone from Oakland you wouldn't even hear about this even if there was a video.
 
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For self defense to be applicable (in CA) you need three things. 1. Reasonable threat from unlawful contact, 2. a reasonable belief that force is required and 3. no force more nescessary to stop the threat.

As for court, it already played out. He was able to plead and entered a diversion program. However, what these people are doing is a witch hunt. The DA was within legal right to not bring this before a grand jury and the punishment is consistant with punishment for first time offenders. In addition, if she did spit on him, she could have been charged with assault.

So, would any sane DA let him walk free (no charges filed) because she spit on him? I seriously doubt it. If this were Jerome from Compton or Tyrone from Oakland you wouldn't even hear about this even if there was a video.
By the looks of the video and the picture I froze...all those requirements were met he could have a case for self defense and assault. She had warded him off and could have attempted to leave the elevator but instead she became the aggressor as my pick shows her racing forward with the intent to attack...now let's say that was another woman who was backed up and threw that Mayweather check hook...EVERYBODY would say...the bitch got what was coming to her...let's say the woman who threw the punch was 275 lbs is she judged differently than another woman of relative size to the person that got KO'd? I'm not saying he is right from my moral standards but I would agree if he had filed for assault and claimed self defense that he has a strong case.

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By the looks of the video and the picture I froze...all those requirements were met he could have a case for self defense and assault. She had warded him off and could have attempted to leave the elevator but instead she became the aggressor as my pick shows her racing forward with the intent to attack...now let's say that was another woman who was backed up and threw that Mayweather check hook...EVERYBODY would say...the bitch got what was coming to her...let's say the woman who threw the punch was 275 lbs is she judged differently than another woman of relative size to the person that got KO'd? I'm not saying he is right from my moral standards but I would agree if he had filed for assault and claimed self defense that he has a strong case.

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no you stupid fuck cuz he could've just shook the bitch

 

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Letter to raven season ticket holders:




Just got this email from the Ravens. Thought I'd share it here.

Dear Ravens Stakeholder: You deserve an explanation. What happened with the Ray Rice incident? How could it come to this? Why didn’t we act earlier?

As a PSL holder, suite owner, sponsor and supporter, you have a stake in us. You have invested in us – emotionally as well as financially, trusted us, and believed in us. We value that trust and owe you full disclosure. First, let us say that we did not do all we should have done and no amount of explanation can remedy that. What we can do now is share with you everything that occurred and vow to learn from all that has happened. Here is how the situation unfolded, and here are our thoughts behind the decisions we made.

On the morning of Feb. 15, we learned that Ray and his then fiancé, Janay, had been arrested at an Atlantic City casino, and both had been charged with “simple assault” resulting from an altercation with each other. After the couple was taken to police headquarters, and after a report was written, they were allowed to leave together. A number of Ravens’ representatives talked with Ray during the course of that day. His explanation was that after he and Janay had consumed a great deal of alcohol, they had had an argument and that they struck each other. We at the Ravens organization issued a statement to the media that we were aware of the incident, that we had talked with Ray, and that he deserved the due process of law.

We then began our own process to discover as much as we could about what happened. We talked with representatives of the casino, the police who arrested the couple, the prosecutor and a lawyer who represented both Ray and Janay in the case. Soon after, the video of Janay and Ray coming out of the elevator became public. We contacted the casino management and asked if there was video of the incident from inside the elevator that we could see. The casino would not share such video. We asked the local New Jersey police and the police refused as well. We asked the prosecutor’s office and that office refused. It was our understanding at that time that Ray’s attorney had not yet seen the video. NFL officials had been informed, and we know they were also trying to retrieve and/or see the video.

Assessing the situation at of the end of February, this is what we knew: A player who had been a model citizen in the community and terrific teammate for six seasons had been charged with simple assault against his fiancé. At that time, his fiancé Janay had been similarly charged.

Ray and Janay both told us nothing like this had happened before. He was showing great remorse; they were meeting regularly with our team chaplain and were diligently attending couples counseling.

In March, the prosecutor dropped the case against Janay, but elevated the charge against Ray from simple assault to aggravated assault. At this point, we decided to defer action until completion of the court proceedings. We stopped seeking to view or obtain a copy of the video. We halted our fact-finding. That was a mistake on our part. In May, the prosecutor recommended, and the judge agreed, that Ray should be accepted into a pre-trial intervention program that will eventually have the assault charge dismissed from his record, pending a year of good behavior.

The police had seen video from inside the elevator. The prosecutor and the judge, who had also seen such video, allowed Ray into the program that would eventually clear him of the assault charge.

On June 16, Ray and Janay met with Commissioner Roger Goodell, who then announced on July 27 that Ray Rice would be suspended for the first two games of the season. Ray subsequently met with the media and answered questions.

Yesterday morning Sept 8, all of us saw the video from inside the elevator. It is violent and horrifying. I immediately came to the office and called a meeting with Dick Cass, Ozzie Newsome, John Harbaugh and Kevin Byrne. The meeting was relatively short. The decision to let Ray Rice go was unanimous. Seeing that video changed everything. We should have seen it earlier. We should have pursued our own investigation more vigorously. We didn’t and we were wrong.

We are moving forward and believe we can help put more of a spotlight on intimate partner violence, while increasing education and awareness to this issue to all in our organization. Our recently announced partnership with the House of Ruth is a start. We view ourselves as a family. Like families, we have used tough love in the past (fines, benching and releases) with repeat offenders. Because of his positive contributions on and off the field over the last six years, Ray had earned every benefit of the doubt from our organization. We took everything we knew and decided to support Ray Rice until we could not.

We hope that Ray will continue to work to be the best husband, father and person he can be, and he will turn this awful situation into something positive. We also have learned a great deal and will continue to strive to be an organization and team you and Baltimore will be proud of. I am sorry we let you down. Sincerely,

Stephen J. Bisciotti Owner
 
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I don't know why you're arguing. The entire world thinks he was wrong. The authorities already dropped her charge and enhanced his. So what theoretical case are you arguing about?
I said Rice was wrong for sockin her like that...I just brought up that she also could be charged and you posted up the article that said she was charged for assault ...yes it was dropped...but that is all I said. In my opinion he had a strong case for self defense if he would have exercised that option.
 

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By the looks of the video and the picture I froze...all those requirements were met he could have a case for self defense and assault. She had warded him off and could have attempted to leave the elevator but instead she became the aggressor as my pick shows her racing forward with the intent to attack...now let's say that was another woman who was backed up and threw that Mayweather check hook...EVERYBODY would say...the bitch got what was coming to her...let's say the woman who threw the punch was 275 lbs is she judged differently than another woman of relative size to the person that got KO'd? I'm not saying he is right from my moral standards but I would agree if he had filed for assault and claimed self defense that he has a strong case.

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Simply put this would go back to a reasonable person standard/test. Would a reasonable person believe that punching your FIANCE was the only way to stop her from spitting? You already have provocation but if you go that route you now have to look at judgement or passion. Then back to his actions to see if the punch was proportional to hers.

No jury would have let him walk and he did right to take the deal.
 
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Right, aggression. From a woman who is 100 lbs lighter then he is. And is drunk.

Was Ray in some kind of "danger" from a 110 pound drunk woman without a deadly weapon in her hand?
If he was a police officer the answer would be yes...and deadly force would be justified.