Raw 6.28.10
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I can give credit to a good match or a few decent moves, but I'm not going to tune in weekly and watch two random guys fake fight for no fucking reason. I mean, what you're saying, and going past the Batman thing, is that any show/movie/comic book does not need any type of story arch, whatsoever... so long as the resolution is filmed correctly. Essentially, you're suggesting we watch the end of every movie, the end of every show, read the last chapter of every book, the last act of every play, and if it's good enough we should be satisfied.
The rest is just semantics.
I don't understand your logic.
I'll say that yeah, a storyline isn't going to make a match any better, but it'll sure put my ass in the seat in the first place. And if you can't get my ass in the seat in the first place, then why have the match at all? And a good storyline can make a shitty match seem ten times better. Lets say I have an emotional attachment to a certain storyline, and the heel comes out and beats the shit out of the face with a weapon. I can't remember who it was, perhaps Rick Martel or Savage who beat the shit out of a then injured Roddy Piper with his own crutch. It was early 90's, I don't remember.
That isn't a good wrestling match... But if you feel for an injured Piper and you're watching someone further injure the dude... You're LOCKED THE FUCK IN (at least I was when I was a kid). Now that you've seen that shit (the story), even if Piper gets his revenge with one fuckin' chair shot, you flip the fuck out. I don't need to see Piper and Savage fight for a half hour with 10 minute arm bars to be satisfied.
The rest is just semantics.
I don't understand your logic.
I'll say that yeah, a storyline isn't going to make a match any better, but it'll sure put my ass in the seat in the first place. And if you can't get my ass in the seat in the first place, then why have the match at all? And a good storyline can make a shitty match seem ten times better. Lets say I have an emotional attachment to a certain storyline, and the heel comes out and beats the shit out of the face with a weapon. I can't remember who it was, perhaps Rick Martel or Savage who beat the shit out of a then injured Roddy Piper with his own crutch. It was early 90's, I don't remember.
That isn't a good wrestling match... But if you feel for an injured Piper and you're watching someone further injure the dude... You're LOCKED THE FUCK IN (at least I was when I was a kid). Now that you've seen that shit (the story), even if Piper gets his revenge with one fuckin' chair shot, you flip the fuck out. I don't need to see Piper and Savage fight for a half hour with 10 minute arm bars to be satisfied.
Am I the only one who's never even CLICKED the Jap wrestling thread, much less read or watched anything in it?
nothing against Jap wrestling, but.... no thanks
nothing against Jap wrestling, but.... no thanks
thats all you needed to say ^
Im not sure whats so confusing to you about being about to enjoy a match without having to know a back story. You make it sound like no one can put on a good match unless it has some story to it. If a match is booked just because they want two wrestlers to go at it you wont watch it? despite the match being great just because it has no story?
I can watch two no name japs go at it for no reason what so ever and they will put more heart and soul into their work then any John Cena match. They will do that because they know what they do in the ring is whats the most important
We can sit here all day going back and forth over what we like and dont like but What it comes down to is this:
YOU need a story to enjoy wrestling.
I do not.
rest holds and 10 minute arm bars....I didnt know we were talking about your average WWE match....
WAIT!
THATS IT!
no wonder you need a story
You only watch mainstream american wrestling(wwe, tna)
People who cant wrestle a decent match always need a story to get them over.
^^your obviously the 1% minority when it comes to watchin wrestling then, MOST of us live in America and yet u seem to have a problem with us watching "mainstream American wrestling" lol its what we grew up with. Like i said, if was someone like you who would want to watch straight up mat/technical type of wrestling no storyline or character or even gimmick,then i would watch shit like the UFC or amateur wrestling in college on ESPN.
No, im not. Im just the Minority on this board :cheeky:
I dont have a problem with what you watch. If you want to watch WWE and TNA then by all means you go right ahead and do that. I was just saying why I dont like it.
I will say this one last time... so please try to pay attention.
The stuff I like isnt all mat wrestling. The storylines and characters are developed in the ring the way it should be.
If you think the matches I post are all mat wrestling then you have not looked into my Puro thread. If I gave you the wrong impression when I say "skilled in the ring" then I am sorry. I dont mean you need to be a Dory Funk Jr. mat wrestling god to be a good wrestler. Skilled in not having to do rest hold rest hold, generic move, rest hold rest hold.
Go watch a match,come back in here and THEN you can give your opinion on what I watch
Here:
Tell me what you dont like about this match.
I am posting the awesome second half of the match because I know how hard it is for people like you to watch without knowing who someone is.
I will even give you a little back story... not that it matters for the match but its for the title. Ibushi was just next inline for a title shot so the match was booked.
Kota Ibushi vs Daisuke Sekimoto
I dont have a problem with what you watch. If you want to watch WWE and TNA then by all means you go right ahead and do that. I was just saying why I dont like it.
I will say this one last time... so please try to pay attention.
The stuff I like isnt all mat wrestling. The storylines and characters are developed in the ring the way it should be.
If you think the matches I post are all mat wrestling then you have not looked into my Puro thread. If I gave you the wrong impression when I say "skilled in the ring" then I am sorry. I dont mean you need to be a Dory Funk Jr. mat wrestling god to be a good wrestler. Skilled in not having to do rest hold rest hold, generic move, rest hold rest hold.
Go watch a match,come back in here and THEN you can give your opinion on what I watch
Here:
Tell me what you dont like about this match.
I am posting the awesome second half of the match because I know how hard it is for people like you to watch without knowing who someone is.
I will even give you a little back story... not that it matters for the match but its for the title. Ibushi was just next inline for a title shot so the match was booked.
Kota Ibushi vs Daisuke Sekimoto
Alright, first off, the announcing is in Japanese, so right off the bat I won't be able to get into it, because I won't really know what is going on,
Frog Splash was nice... But since I don't know who these people are, I don't know who I should be rooting for/against.
That rolling suplex was awesome. Was that a Burning Hammer?
I can tell both of these guys can go, but I still don't know who is the face and who is the heel.
Nice Fliperoo, but dude missed.
Dude just no sold a Shining Wizard...
How did the guy get busted open?
Military Press into the turnbuckle followed by German Suplex was nice.
So the guy in Black won. Good match, I guess, but like I said, I had no idea what was going on.
I would like to know what the dude is saying after the match, now obviously this is Storyline shit after the match, so your entire point is invalid.
Frog Splash was nice... But since I don't know who these people are, I don't know who I should be rooting for/against.
That rolling suplex was awesome. Was that a Burning Hammer?
I can tell both of these guys can go, but I still don't know who is the face and who is the heel.
Nice Fliperoo, but dude missed.
Dude just no sold a Shining Wizard...
How did the guy get busted open?
Military Press into the turnbuckle followed by German Suplex was nice.
So the guy in Black won. Good match, I guess, but like I said, I had no idea what was going on.
I would like to know what the dude is saying after the match, now obviously this is Storyline shit after the match, so your entire point is invalid.
Thanks for actually watching it and then giving an opinion unlike the rest of the board...
How do you not know whats going on? did you have your eyes closed? you need a guy screaming what move is being done?
You can root for whoever the fuck you want.... you dont need to be told who to root for. :ermm:
Both are faces, yes thats right... they book face vs face, heel vs heel.
If you didnt skip through the match you would see Sekimoto(dude in black) gets busted open from Ibushi headbutting the fuck out of him at the 5:50 mark.
and yes that is legit hardway blood from headbutts. no blade job.
Like I siad before there is no back story they were just booked into a title match.
Sekimoto is just cutting a promo.... all jap wrestlers cut promos after a title match. Now if that promo had anything to do with that match I would agree with you but it didnt. For the most part he just said who wants a title shot next
I do feel that I gave the impression that Japs dont use story line...
They do, all wrestling does. Its usually just very simple or just built around a match getting too heated...or the ever popular *random guy from other company invades and instantly becomes super heel number 1*
How do you not know whats going on? did you have your eyes closed? you need a guy screaming what move is being done?
You can root for whoever the fuck you want.... you dont need to be told who to root for. :ermm:
Both are faces, yes thats right... they book face vs face, heel vs heel.
If you didnt skip through the match you would see Sekimoto(dude in black) gets busted open from Ibushi headbutting the fuck out of him at the 5:50 mark.
and yes that is legit hardway blood from headbutts. no blade job.
Like I siad before there is no back story they were just booked into a title match.
Sekimoto is just cutting a promo.... all jap wrestlers cut promos after a title match. Now if that promo had anything to do with that match I would agree with you but it didnt. For the most part he just said who wants a title shot next
I do feel that I gave the impression that Japs dont use story line...
They do, all wrestling does. Its usually just very simple or just built around a match getting too heated...or the ever popular *random guy from other company invades and instantly becomes super heel number 1*
I loved Adamle being in there. I liked him announcing, anything. It was fun to listen to him fuck up and be made fun of by everyone else.
I don't think Stone COld is going to be GM. I wouldn't be surprised if every week the GM uses other people's catchphrases and then it turns out to be Eugene or some wack shit.
I don't think Stone COld is going to be GM. I wouldn't be surprised if every week the GM uses other people's catchphrases and then it turns out to be Eugene or some wack shit.
OH YEA ITS MONDAY .. LOL
and as usual , i will hit up my dvr and watch rohonhdnet first , let them get me hype about pro wrestling , then after that ill see what kind of crapfest vince and co. have in store for me . i hope the E pulls it together soon . and bring back american dragon for christ sake .
and as usual , i will hit up my dvr and watch rohonhdnet first , let them get me hype about pro wrestling , then after that ill see what kind of crapfest vince and co. have in store for me . i hope the E pulls it together soon . and bring back american dragon for christ sake .
