i'm some what of a VY fan mainly for what he did in college but he's a proven warrior and i have no reason to dislike him soo.... with that said Russell looked hella impressive, reminded me alot of the old dante culpepper with the passes he was throwing. if that was even a slight image of wat russel will do in reg. season then the raiders will have a bright bright future. cant beleive i just said that but it's truth
Raiders Vs Titans Tonight
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I've always liked Vince Young. I remember being shitfaced drunk by myself at my house during the Rose Bowl and cheering him on...LOL. I like to see him do well, just not against my team.
Russell has the talent to be special...but talent doesn't always equal production. I think he'll succeed, but only time will tell.
Russell has the talent to be special...but talent doesn't always equal production. I think he'll succeed, but only time will tell.
young played less then a half in pre-season game......russel looked better but he didnt start putting up the best numbers untill our 2nd stringers were allready in....our whole offense looked bad and VY was the minority problem...
i have complaints all around the board.....our WRs give up on way to many plays or are competly talentless......when you get one on one often you have to make plays....
DBs are constantly on the backs of our wideouts....VY doesnt have the precision of tom brady or peyton manning...
i have complaints all around the board.....our WRs give up on way to many plays or are competly talentless......when you get one on one often you have to make plays....
DBs are constantly on the backs of our wideouts....VY doesnt have the precision of tom brady or peyton manning...
it was a defense of game and our offense played like shit...our run game looked pretty good.....good to see lendales feet quicking up...its hard to get him down in the backfield
we will see who performs in the regular season.....ill pick young...
funny how with the good shit its like....he played well, we should kick ass.......but with the bad shit its like......its only preseason and its a fluke.....lmao
yall comparing VY and russel based on one preaseaon performance is kinda biased..vy has atleast proved a lil....so far russel hasnt proved shit.....
we will see who performs in the regular season.....ill pick young...
funny how with the good shit its like....he played well, we should kick ass.......but with the bad shit its like......its only preseason and its a fluke.....lmao
yall comparing VY and russel based on one preaseaon performance is kinda biased..vy has atleast proved a lil....so far russel hasnt proved shit.....
VY HASN'T PROVED SHIT ON THE NFL LEVEL.
RUSSEL OUTPLAYED HIM, FLAT OUT.
Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 15th, 2008 at 8:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits and first impressions from the Raiders’ 17-16 loss to the Tennessee Titans Friday night:
– If I’m the Raiders, I’m ecstatic about JaMarcus Russell. If I’m the Titans, I’m concerned about Vince Young.
Russell looked like the quarterback entering his third season, while Young played as if he had one NFL start.
– Don’t make too much about what happened after halftime, because this one was all about seeing what Russell could do. Turns out he can do a lot, particularly when the target is tight end Zach Miller.
On Russell’s 10-yard touchdown pass, he escaped pressure to his left and put the ball in a tiny window. Miller’s glue fingers did the rest, finishing off a flawless six-play, 61-yard drive.
– The Raiders offense will have their fans angry at McAfee Coliseum and cursing at television sets as they throw in front of the stake and play it safe. But if they can avoid turnovers doing it this way, it’s worth it.
It doesn’t help that there is no evidence of a big-play wide receiver. Javon Walker’s appearance was brief and unimpressive, including a drop on the first pass headed his way. Chaz Schilens gained on Todd Watkins for a roster spot with three tough catches for 45 yards, but even if he makes the roster odds are he won’t do much this year.
– A glimpse of what having Darren McFadden on your side can do _ one of those safe, conservative calls resulted in a 26-yard gain which led to Aaron Elling’s 56-yard field goal.
– The Raiders protected Russell better than expected, and his ability to escape pressure and operate on the perimeter will have a lot of people rethinking the myth that he would be better off as a dropback passer.
– Another thing in Russell’s favor _ he’s confident enough so that some shaky training camp passing didn’t faze him in the least when it came time to playing in a game.
– Is Rob Ryan just teasing, or will the Raiders bring it this year? They opened the game with consecutive blitzes by Thomas Howard (twice) and Stanford Routt. Result? Three-and-out for Tennessee.
– Tennessee didn’t fully cooperate with the Raiders desire to test their run defense. The Titans goal was to get Young some work in the passing game so they didn’t attack with their usual persistence.
– Michael Huff closed quickly on a Young pop fly down the sideline. Young was pressured on a blitz from linebacker Kirk Morrison.
– Two steps forward, three steps back for Johnnie Lee Higgins. As currently constituted, there aren’t a lot of options in the return game right now.
– Lavelle Hawkins’ 51-yard touchdown reception from Kerry Collins came against the man who probably has given up twice as many catches as any other Raiders defensive back in practice. Rest assured Michael Waddell won’t be on the 53-man roster.
– Encouraging efforts inside by Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands, although both men look like they’re nowhere near ready to go four quarters.
– When Kiffin said he wasn’t concerned about wins and losses, the end result against the Titans is wha the was talking about. Hard to be anything but encouraged by the play of the Raiders starters.
As for what happened late?
Simply flash back two years when Oakland’s starters were being physically dominated under Art Shell, only to have fringe players pave the way to a 4-1 record against the fringe players of other teams.
– The Fox booth raved about the play of Marquice Cole, chasing down Adimchinobe Echemandu from behind and making a lost fumble by Oren O’Neal possible.
I’m guessing Kiffin is more concerned about the previous play, when Louis Rankin ran for six yards and ran out of bounds to stop the clock. Rankin was immediately yanked from the game and didn’t go back in.
– It’s probably not a good sign for William Joseph, the former first-round draft pick from the New York Giants, that he is playing late in the game on the same line with international practice squad player Mauricio Lopez and undrafted free agent Greyson Gunheim.
– Another mistake that is sure to stick in Kiff’s craw _ first and goal at the 8, and John Madsen is whistled for a false start. The Raiders end up settling for Elling’s 27-yard field goal.
– It’s preseason for the networks, too. Before the game, with announcers talking about Kiffin, the camera focused on a young coach on the sidelines. Problem was, it was special teams coach Brian Schneider. Later, Darryl Johnston referred to Ronald Curry as “Donald” Curry.
– Kwame Harris was able to start with a shoulder injury, relegating “Super” Mario Henderson to reserve status. David Ball, a defensive end out of football last year, blew past Henderson early in the fourth quarter and got a shot on quarterback Andrew Walter that left him with a bloody nose.
Another solid effort by Walter (7-for-11, 85 yards) who has secured the backup position. Marques Tuiasosopo played but did not throw a pass.
– Yeah, I know. Janikowski’s the kicker. But why is it that when he hits the upright, it never goes in the way it did for Elling?
RUSSEL OUTPLAYED HIM, FLAT OUT.
Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 15th, 2008 at 8:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits and first impressions from the Raiders’ 17-16 loss to the Tennessee Titans Friday night:
– If I’m the Raiders, I’m ecstatic about JaMarcus Russell. If I’m the Titans, I’m concerned about Vince Young.
Russell looked like the quarterback entering his third season, while Young played as if he had one NFL start.
– Don’t make too much about what happened after halftime, because this one was all about seeing what Russell could do. Turns out he can do a lot, particularly when the target is tight end Zach Miller.
On Russell’s 10-yard touchdown pass, he escaped pressure to his left and put the ball in a tiny window. Miller’s glue fingers did the rest, finishing off a flawless six-play, 61-yard drive.
– The Raiders offense will have their fans angry at McAfee Coliseum and cursing at television sets as they throw in front of the stake and play it safe. But if they can avoid turnovers doing it this way, it’s worth it.
It doesn’t help that there is no evidence of a big-play wide receiver. Javon Walker’s appearance was brief and unimpressive, including a drop on the first pass headed his way. Chaz Schilens gained on Todd Watkins for a roster spot with three tough catches for 45 yards, but even if he makes the roster odds are he won’t do much this year.
– A glimpse of what having Darren McFadden on your side can do _ one of those safe, conservative calls resulted in a 26-yard gain which led to Aaron Elling’s 56-yard field goal.
– The Raiders protected Russell better than expected, and his ability to escape pressure and operate on the perimeter will have a lot of people rethinking the myth that he would be better off as a dropback passer.
– Another thing in Russell’s favor _ he’s confident enough so that some shaky training camp passing didn’t faze him in the least when it came time to playing in a game.
– Is Rob Ryan just teasing, or will the Raiders bring it this year? They opened the game with consecutive blitzes by Thomas Howard (twice) and Stanford Routt. Result? Three-and-out for Tennessee.
– Tennessee didn’t fully cooperate with the Raiders desire to test their run defense. The Titans goal was to get Young some work in the passing game so they didn’t attack with their usual persistence.
– Michael Huff closed quickly on a Young pop fly down the sideline. Young was pressured on a blitz from linebacker Kirk Morrison.
– Two steps forward, three steps back for Johnnie Lee Higgins. As currently constituted, there aren’t a lot of options in the return game right now.
– Lavelle Hawkins’ 51-yard touchdown reception from Kerry Collins came against the man who probably has given up twice as many catches as any other Raiders defensive back in practice. Rest assured Michael Waddell won’t be on the 53-man roster.
– Encouraging efforts inside by Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands, although both men look like they’re nowhere near ready to go four quarters.
– When Kiffin said he wasn’t concerned about wins and losses, the end result against the Titans is wha the was talking about. Hard to be anything but encouraged by the play of the Raiders starters.
As for what happened late?
Simply flash back two years when Oakland’s starters were being physically dominated under Art Shell, only to have fringe players pave the way to a 4-1 record against the fringe players of other teams.
– The Fox booth raved about the play of Marquice Cole, chasing down Adimchinobe Echemandu from behind and making a lost fumble by Oren O’Neal possible.
I’m guessing Kiffin is more concerned about the previous play, when Louis Rankin ran for six yards and ran out of bounds to stop the clock. Rankin was immediately yanked from the game and didn’t go back in.
– It’s probably not a good sign for William Joseph, the former first-round draft pick from the New York Giants, that he is playing late in the game on the same line with international practice squad player Mauricio Lopez and undrafted free agent Greyson Gunheim.
– Another mistake that is sure to stick in Kiff’s craw _ first and goal at the 8, and John Madsen is whistled for a false start. The Raiders end up settling for Elling’s 27-yard field goal.
– It’s preseason for the networks, too. Before the game, with announcers talking about Kiffin, the camera focused on a young coach on the sidelines. Problem was, it was special teams coach Brian Schneider. Later, Darryl Johnston referred to Ronald Curry as “Donald” Curry.
– Kwame Harris was able to start with a shoulder injury, relegating “Super” Mario Henderson to reserve status. David Ball, a defensive end out of football last year, blew past Henderson early in the fourth quarter and got a shot on quarterback Andrew Walter that left him with a bloody nose.
Another solid effort by Walter (7-for-11, 85 yards) who has secured the backup position. Marques Tuiasosopo played but did not throw a pass.
– Yeah, I know. Janikowski’s the kicker. But why is it that when he hits the upright, it never goes in the way it did for Elling?
damn, so im gonna give it up to Russell..somewhat. i love his arm, the ball just missles out of his arm and everything is on a rope. its hard to judge his decision making because most defenses play a very basic(vanilla)defense during the pre season. Also vince young looked like this was his first game as a pro. im sure he'll rebound but damn moore he aint very good man. im sure he'll create with his feet and the titans will have a real good season, but damn dont ever tell me he's better than rivers
ROY? First rookie to play in the probowl? i guess the nfl fans and teams seem to think different.....
sorry your mad that ingle martin drove down the field to crush the hopes of you shit talking about a pre-season win...i was thinking that hurt some raiders fans even though its pre-season lmao.......
VY has proved 100 percent MORE then russel so far.....he hasnt proved much but he is ten fold more proved then russel......
like i said...if your going to compare about one pre-season game then your just being biased fool.....no matter what way you cut it
I watched the first half... starters were lookin nice
I was mainly just happy to see Russell lead that drive down the field to score a TD
I'm glad Kiffin decided to let him get his reps out there throwing the ball a lot and not focus so much on the run game since we pretty much know that's gonna be solid
didn't get the W but I don't really care... I'm just glad we were able to be competitive out there against a solid defense
I was mainly just happy to see Russell lead that drive down the field to score a TD
I'm glad Kiffin decided to let him get his reps out there throwing the ball a lot and not focus so much on the run game since we pretty much know that's gonna be solid
didn't get the W but I don't really care... I'm just glad we were able to be competitive out there against a solid defense
I liked what I saw out of Russell, the offensive line and play calling. They played better then expected. Javon's gotta step it up, he's already dropped 2-3 pases that should've been caught. Im also looking forward to seeing more of Schilens, I had a good feeling about him when he was drafted...hopefully he can move up in the depth chart in the next couple weeks.
"Super' Mario needs to get his head out of his ass almost got Walter killed last night if he lets somebody do that to russell im going to be pissed. Miller is the man the tight end we've need all these years. Chaz Schilens made to good grabs in the 4th but Higgins fucked up in the first have need to hold on the ball. O'neil fucked and fumbled goalline but Echemandu should have finished the long run. Slow game just glad our started looked good.
