"Racist is the new Bling"

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Nov 24, 2003
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If racism doesn't exist in the US on an institutional level, how do you explain the racial breakdown of the prison populations? If black people make up 13% of the US population, why do they make up over 50% of the prison population? It is numerically impossible that more black people are committing crimes than whites, yet they are over-represented behind bars.
I agree that it is a numerically anomaly but it is not "numerically impossible" that more back people are committing more crimes than white people. If black people committed 100% of the crimes, I would imagine the racial makeup of the prisons would be 100% black.

Like I said earlier, and Lamberto addressed this issue a bit too, whites had head start accumulating wealth vs. everyone else. Therefore, the majority of of rich people today are white. Due to this, our class lines and racial lines tend to be similar to one another. The higher proportion of blacks in prison has MORE (not all) to do with their representation of the lower class than it does of them being black.

The justice system is blatantly and openly in favor of rich people, but nowhere is it blatantly or openly in favor of white people. Look at the difference in jail time between crack and cocaine sentencing, or armed robbery and embezzlement, robbing a 7-11 vs. “white collar” robbery. The justice system is setup at its root to direct its justice towards the lower class.

I am not saying that doesn't being black isn't a disadvantage when you are dealing with a white cop, but I am saying it’s MORE of a disadvantage to be caught with crack/not enough money for anything but a Public Defender by ANY type of cop, regardless of your race

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This isn't a class issue, it's a race issue. There are a ton of broke white folks committing similar crimes and getting off, getting short sentences, or not getting caught because the system favors their skin and/or their crimes over those of the black and brown.
Without numbers to back that up, this is nothing more than your assumption.

If racism doesn't exist in the US on an institutional level
If racism DOES exist on the institutional level you are arguing, in your opinion, is the US more likely to have a poor president or a black president?

If institutional racism was how you say it is, it would be incomprehensible to have the very figure head of this institutionally racist society be the very type of person that the racism is predominantly projected towards.

@Lamberto, I see what you are saying and we are having somewhat of a chicken and egg argument here but I will try to get back to you after I do some work so I don't get fired lol.
 
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Crack is predominant in black communities and the sentences are far harsher than powder cocaine, found more in white communities. It's all cocaine, right? So why are the punishments different? I think it has something to do with the poor, but more to do with an excuse to put black people behind bars in huge numbers, while allowing the affluent whites to get their snort on.
 
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^^ Great point. Meth is worse than crack if anything, but since Meth is taking over the poor WHITE communities, they make a huge deal of it. Not so when the poor BLACK communities were suffering similar circumstances with the crack epidemic...

PS: The White Defenders don't venture out to the GOM it seems, they make their "points" in the open forum...
 
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Oh yea? I didn't know. Are there retaliatory threads to this one there? Or is that just a general observation?
The White Defenders feel it necessary to make comments and earn their White e-stripes when certain things get discussed in the open forum, like issues of immigration for example. If there is any talk about an ethnicity/race becoming conscious, they gotta put their work in as well to show that they're still runnin' the show...

And there are no retaliatory threads to this one, that I know of, it was more a general observation of the board.
 
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Yea, I'm surprised I didn't catch any flack for saying that The Siccness was probably started with the intention to provide a safe sanctuary for white kids to talk about black gangster rap behind computer screens. LOL. I do like that there is a good dialogue in here and it's all respectful so far, even within the varied opinions.
 
May 13, 2002
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PS: The White Defenders don't venture out to the GOM it seems, they make their "points" in the open forum...
As a purely scientific experiment, I propose the original post in this thread gets re-posted in the open forum and we can compare the differences in replies. My theory is they will be completely different.

And remember, this is strictly in the name of science



(if done, this will be the second known scientific experiment conducted by the siccness community, the other involved q-tips and/or cotton strands, in controlled environments).
 
Apr 26, 2002
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making it a "class" issue, instead of the truth: a RACISM issue, is a way for rich white folx to sleep at night wit a good conscience. i REALLY don't wanna get into this cuz this topic is exhausting when debated on the sicc, so i'll jus leave it at that. lol. fold.
 
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Reverse racism is a ploy used to ignore the real affect racism still has on minorities. You can be racist towards whites, but it doesn't mean anything given the positions they hold all over the country.
 
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Ugh, I'm not sure I want to watch that implosion.
Do it for Science's sake!

I do like that there is a good dialogue in here and it's all respectful so far, even within the varied opinions.
I couldn't agree more, and that's why the GOM is one of the better forums of this site. There are a lot of smart people who post here...
 
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Reverse racism is a ploy used to ignore the real affect racism still has on minorities. You can be racist towards whites, but it doesn't mean anything given the positions they hold all over the country.
True.....but a minority calling a white person a "redneck, cracker piece of bird shit" doesnt justify anything nor is it any better than a white person calling that minority whatever deragotory term back at them. Neither does stereoptying of ANY race help to at least simmer racism down...it only fuels it.

We are all humans and thereofere are all, technically, equals. Its PEOPLE that seperate others by class, race, religion, etc.
 
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I couldn't agree more, and that's why the GOM is one of the better forums of this site. There are a lot of smart people who post here...
truth. It's been pretty slow the last few months though, which why I get all excited when people like Hustle, t-spoon, fuckin Vamps(!?!), etc. start postin. lol, makes me a believer again
 
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We are all humans and thereofere are all, technically, equals. Its PEOPLE that seperate others by class, race, religion, etc.
It's institutions that keep people separated my friend, not people themselves. People are just a bunch of sheep who will follow the system, and if the system in place separates people by class, race, religion, etc., then it will reflect on the people...




On another note,we gotta get the GOM crackin again!
 
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Who heads institutions? People. Thats my point. Racism is man-made.
True, but my point is that one can't have the mentality that it's people who keep the system the way it is by being racist towards each other and calling each other names. Shit will never change unless the institutions in place get destroyed/changed.

There will always be racism and prejudice among people as long as the institutions and system continue to be racist and prejudice certain people.