"Racist is the new Bling"
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I never said Irish people drink beer. I said people USE the day as an excuse to drink. As in Americans. I don't know what Irish people do, but I know people use their holiday to get drunk.
I don't think you can be racist against white people. I've had this debate on here before. Sorry, it can't happen. The white dominance and institutionalized systems favor white people automatically. In order to exert racism over a group, you have to have the institutionalized power to systematically fuck their lives. Blacks and browns do not have this power, therefore they cannot be racist. They can sure prejudge though, but at the end of the day and all things considered equal, the white person will get the job and not go to jail over the person of color.
As for 1/2's commentary, while I respect your take on it, I don't see how a generalization equals racism. If you work in a business where you target a specific demographic, you generalize all day about what your demographic likes and dislikes and what they look like and who they are. It's Marketing 101. The club I referred to as "white" caters to a white crowd. Food City advertises to a Mexican demographic. KISS FM goes for the white, female, 18-34 demo. I've been generalizing for years because people generally do things and it's a way to hit your target in a business fashion. Every major company, radio station, product, etc., has a distinct map of who they are trying to superserve. If someone else buys their product, great! That's a bonus. But their main goal is whatever their demo is, and it is broken down by race, sex, and age.
The Siccness was probably started to cater to white kids who like gangster rap. It grew from there. Bossip.com caters to black females who like gossip and dirt on their favorite celebrities.
NASCAR is a white sport. Is that racist?
I don't think you can be racist against white people. I've had this debate on here before. Sorry, it can't happen. The white dominance and institutionalized systems favor white people automatically. In order to exert racism over a group, you have to have the institutionalized power to systematically fuck their lives. Blacks and browns do not have this power, therefore they cannot be racist. They can sure prejudge though, but at the end of the day and all things considered equal, the white person will get the job and not go to jail over the person of color.
As for 1/2's commentary, while I respect your take on it, I don't see how a generalization equals racism. If you work in a business where you target a specific demographic, you generalize all day about what your demographic likes and dislikes and what they look like and who they are. It's Marketing 101. The club I referred to as "white" caters to a white crowd. Food City advertises to a Mexican demographic. KISS FM goes for the white, female, 18-34 demo. I've been generalizing for years because people generally do things and it's a way to hit your target in a business fashion. Every major company, radio station, product, etc., has a distinct map of who they are trying to superserve. If someone else buys their product, great! That's a bonus. But their main goal is whatever their demo is, and it is broken down by race, sex, and age.
The Siccness was probably started to cater to white kids who like gangster rap. It grew from there. Bossip.com caters to black females who like gossip and dirt on their favorite celebrities.
NASCAR is a white sport. Is that racist?
Just a little something to throw about there about the Irish: a study conducted in 2006 shows that people in Ireland do in fact spend more money on alcohol, and drink more on average, then any other country in the EU. Source.
Also, it has always been believed that the Irish blood comes from the Celts, and the English from Anglo-Saxons, however a study in May of 2007 revealed that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. So the data shows that the British and Irish are nearly identical, as far as genetics goes (source). I think this speaks volumes about racism (considering the long history of hate between the Irish and British) and the differences between people have more to do with culture and conditions then race itself. I mean the Irish and British are completely different in almost every way, yet their genetic makeup is so similar. Just something to think about.
Also, it has always been believed that the Irish blood comes from the Celts, and the English from Anglo-Saxons, however a study in May of 2007 revealed that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. So the data shows that the British and Irish are nearly identical, as far as genetics goes (source). I think this speaks volumes about racism (considering the long history of hate between the Irish and British) and the differences between people have more to do with culture and conditions then race itself. I mean the Irish and British are completely different in almost every way, yet their genetic makeup is so similar. Just something to think about.
There are two different kinds of racism:
Personal Racism- This can be anybody being racist towards anybody, much like the scenarios you mentioned.
Institutional Racism- This is the type of racism she was reffering to, and this is the racism that is done institutionally by whites towards people of color.
Personal racism can be hurtful if people are all sensative, but institutional racism is what really hurts people of color.
Personal Racism- This can be anybody being racist towards anybody, much like the scenarios you mentioned.
Institutional Racism- This is the type of racism she was reffering to, and this is the racism that is done institutionally by whites towards people of color.
Personal racism can be hurtful if people are all sensative, but institutional racism is what really hurts people of color.
they can be prejudice, but not racist. they don't have the structural power to destroy the other in america. the laws aren't designed to look out for them specifically like they are designed to favor whites. minorities are all in the same boat, really, but there is a hierarchy there as well. for example, asians are favored over mexicans and blacks in the legal system. they nearly have the white hall pass when stacked up against blacks and browns.
Yeah I realize that there are two different types of racism, but she didn't say that when she said “you need to have institutionalized power in order to actually be racist towards another group of people.”
The problem I have with all this is it seems we are coating the larger issue of class warfare with the more perceptible issue of racism.
Racism doesn't exist in the US on an institutional level. Sure in the specific day to day interactions the personal racism you talked about is still a reality. However when we are talking about institutional racism, we are really talking about institutional class warfare. Capitalism will inevitably create a society of have and have-nots that are at odds with one another over resources.
The deeper problem, based on evolutionary psychology, is it would be impossible for any other system to work because at our core we are inherently selfish. True altruism with the exception of inclusive fitness, could not have survived the evolutionary process that made us who we are today.
Humans aren't genetically racist, they are genetically selfish. This creates a tension between the people who have resources and the people who don't have resources. Those that have resources tend help each other based on the idea of reciprocal altruism.
In the US our classes tend to be segregated by racial lines, so it appears that on the surface that an institutionalized racism exists, but it is more the superimposing of personal racism between two individuals on the institutional class warfare between the have and have-nots due to the fact that in the US the haves are predominantly white.
In other words, a rich white dude only cares about himself and his family. He does favors for his rich friends so they in turn can one day do favors for him. He doesn't do favors for them because they are white; he does favors for them because they are rich and they happen to be white. If a rich African-American could potentially help him in the future, the rich white guy would be more than happy to help him in the present. Poor African-Americans are overlooked by the rich white guy not because they are African-American, but because they are poor, just as the rich white guy overlooks poor browns, whites, yellows etc.
The issue of racism is then raised because the rich guys are predominantly white and the non-whites happen to be predominately poor. When you look at that in general terms, it looks like white vs. non-whites, but you can see it’s really rich vs. poor.
this reminds me of this time i was playin domino's with 5 black guys and i kept winning, one of the guys didnt like the music on and told me to pick a new cd to throw in...i was just stoned enough to point at an old Prince cd...ol boy smiled and said "my nigga, well, you aint black so i gotta say my cracka."
the whole situation still confuses me.
the whole situation still confuses me.
If racism doesn't exist in the US on an institutional level, how do you explain the racial breakdown of the prison populations? If black people make up 13% of the US population, why do they make up over 50% of the prison population? It is numerically impossible that more black people are committing crimes than whites, yet they are over-represented behind bars. This isn't a class issue, it's a race issue. There are a ton of broke white folks committing similar crimes and getting off, getting short sentences, or not getting caught because the system favors their skin and/or their crimes over those of the black and brown.
Racism is a foundation of the United States. The Colonial school of thought shaped everything that is in the "New World" and are at the foundation of everything. This created a "caste system" for immigrants, sort of how we have a hierarchy of ethnicities under white. If you forgot about Colonials, they're the ones that thought they were sent by God himself to civilize the "savages" native to the land we now live in. This mentality is still present in today's world, as you can look at any Latin American country and the way the indiginous people get treated and got treated throughout history. There is institutional class warfare, but there is also institutional racism. You cannot talk about one without talking about the other because they are so deeply intertwined...
I disagree and if you need examples of societies without this way of thinking, look no further than the "savages" I reffered to above...
Genetics have nothing to do with a human's social behavior, at least not directly through biology. The environment in which people are surrounded in will make it seem that it is "natural" to live in this manner, but like I already mentioned, look no further than Indiginous tribes of the Americas (Pre-Columbus) to find examples of people who are not "genetically selfish", but in fact, are completely the opposite!
I disagree, because the US IS segregated by racial lines, it always has been. Slavery mentality, Colonial mentality, Patriarchy mentality, are all founding schools of thought of this country and should not be forgotten or ignored to make it seem like things are ok now...
In America, whites were allowed to accumulate wealth for many generations before minorities were even allowed to be looked at as humans. How would it be to play monopoly but start after five or six turns have already gone by and everything is already owned??? Now that the whites owned every form of fuckin wealth in the country, they even out the game and call it fair??? Fuck that shit man. You gotta look at the bigger picture homie, look at context and history.
It SHOULD be rich vs. poor, but people cannot ignore race and push it to the back of their agenda. The people of America are the way they are because of history leading us up to this point.
I disagree and if you need examples of societies without this way of thinking, look no further than the "savages" I reffered to above...
Genetics have nothing to do with a human's social behavior, at least not directly through biology. The environment in which people are surrounded in will make it seem that it is "natural" to live in this manner, but like I already mentioned, look no further than Indiginous tribes of the Americas (Pre-Columbus) to find examples of people who are not "genetically selfish", but in fact, are completely the opposite!
I disagree, because the US IS segregated by racial lines, it always has been. Slavery mentality, Colonial mentality, Patriarchy mentality, are all founding schools of thought of this country and should not be forgotten or ignored to make it seem like things are ok now...
In America, whites were allowed to accumulate wealth for many generations before minorities were even allowed to be looked at as humans. How would it be to play monopoly but start after five or six turns have already gone by and everything is already owned??? Now that the whites owned every form of fuckin wealth in the country, they even out the game and call it fair??? Fuck that shit man. You gotta look at the bigger picture homie, look at context and history.
It SHOULD be rich vs. poor, but people cannot ignore race and push it to the back of their agenda. The people of America are the way they are because of history leading us up to this point.
I do agree that the class issue is becoming a bigger deal, but if you can't get poor whites and poor blacks and poor browns to unite to get theirs due to race issues, you'll see why race still matters, even in the context of the lower class. The race issues among the poor are getting worse every day as all lower-wage jobs are being shipped out to other countries and the poor are scrambling to feed their families. The black vs. brown issue is also a huge mess, and that is apparent in this presidential race. The brown would rather vote for Hillary than a Black man who has some concept of their struggle.