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Sydal said:
Japan, they brought us into a war that we decided not to be a part of, we were minding our business at that point in time...PERIOD!!



Research American history...the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans is/was nothing new. The Mexican-American war, aka the US invasion of Mexican land, is also commonplace knowledge. We slaughtered our way to expansion. We also went and killed 250,000 in the Phillippines in the name of civilization.


The United States, in the name of creating a trade route through Japan, impressed its military might on it and forced it to open up to the outside world. Japan wished to be left alone, but the United States rode into Japan in the 1800s with gunships, telling them they could basically do what they pleased. After being told to leave the nation of Japan alone, and that sailing gunships into Japanese harbor was unlawful, this was our official statement; Commander Buchanan, "The United States Navy operates under American Law wherever we go."


The Japanese were a peaceful society, but they learned a lesson from us - he with the biggest guns wins. On January 17, 1862, Japan claimed its first island outside of Japan in a defensive act of expansion.

Through Commodore Perry and the United States, Japan learned that the outside world was primarily a place of military threat. China was being sucked dry by Western merchants who actually fought a war in order to stop the supply of opium into their country (the Opium wars), which they lost. The Dutch had conquered Indonesia, the French ruled Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, the British held colonies in Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaya, Burma, and India. Across the pacific, Americans had slaves and Mexicans working their land, they were plundering the spoils of the Mexican invasion, and continuing our campaign of death against Native Americans.


And on November 15, 1884, Germany opened a grand international conference in Berlin to carve up Africa. So who did Japan get the idea of military aggression from? Japan started ressing their women in Western-style dresses, giving their commanders Western-style uniforms, and started embarking on a quest "to bring peace and order to Asia".


As the Japanes estudied the ways of the westerners, they saw that successful nations were rich ones. And it was clear that part of conquering was claiming your enemy was backwards and pagan. They did exactly what the US did. They claimed the Chinese and Korea were heathen unbelievers (an important part of Western military conquering), and they began to grab up land in Korea and China. When Japan invaded China in 1894, the Japanese press called the war a "religious war" fought between " a country that is trying to develop civilization" and a "country that inhibits civilization". Japan won and in 1895, China ceded Taiwan, the Pescadores Islands, and the Liaodong Peninsula in southern Manchuria.


But a month later, they recieved a message from Russia telling them to "give the land back to China". Japanese leaders could hardly believe it. They played the imperialism game fair and square. Tokyo appealed to the British and the Americans. Surely they would be on their side after what they had done. But pity for them, the British and the USA told Japan not to rock the boat, not to cause trouble.

Obviously expanding your empire was a white man's game Japan could not play. They called the outrage "the shame of Liaodong", and they decided that to prove their worth to the world, their next target would be a western nation, the USA.


A little history for you.
 
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White Devil, you are ON ONE...Japan didn't fucking bomb Pearl Harbor cause of what we did HERE or to any other country in the mid to late 1800's...get a fuckin grip on reality man. Heresy, I answered your hitler/bush thing and the fact that we weren't doing shit but staying out of the war when Japan bombed us. About Hull and McCollum, I don't have TIME to get into all that right now, I'm at work, doing a job, making my money...when I get a spare minute I will take the time out just to please you, will that help?

2-0 Sixx, Bush and Hitler are fuckin opposites, accept it as fact. Hitler invaded, tried to kill off ENTIRE RACES...maybe you've heard of the Holocaust. I know my history, and George Bush isn't killing off millions in concentration camps and trying to knock off a whole race of people...period!!
 
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HERESY specifically stated, "CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE BUSH FAMILY CONNECTION WITH THE NAZI PARTY?"

If you do not know the connection between the Bush family (prescott bush) and the Nazi party then you do not know your history. Plain and simple. It has been documented everywhere, including encyclopedias. Look it up and learn History comrade.
 
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White Devil, you are ON ONE...Japan didn't fucking bomb Pearl Harbor cause of what we did HERE or to any other country in the mid to late
Why did they bomb Pearl Harbor then? What do you know of Japanese history? Why don't you tell me why they bombed Pearl Harbor?

Did they bomb Pearl Harbor because they hated freedom-loving Americans?

They must have not liked that new swing music we were coming out with at the time.
 
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HERESY specifically stated, "CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE BUSH FAMILY CONNECTION WITH THE NAZI PARTY?"

If you do not know the connection between the Bush family (prescott bush) and the Nazi party then you do not know your history. Plain and simple. It has been documented everywhere, including encyclopedias. Look it up and learn History comrade.

yup, but on a higher note, nobody in the US government rised there fist during the begining of WWII, it was only when germany, and japan started to get in the way of US interest, that what tiggered the US to get involved.

heres some briefs situations that happen.

in 1935, Mussolini's Italy invaded Ethiopia, US placed an embargo on munitions on italy, but what was essential for the take over was oil which the US was providing and the government didnt do a thing about.

in 1936, Rossevelt administrations supported a neutrality act that stopped US help to the spanish government, which lead to rise of fascist Franco, with help from hitler and mussolini.
 
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White Devil, you are ON ONE...Japan didn't fucking bomb Pearl Harbor cause of what we did HERE or to any other country in the mid to late 1800's...get a fuckin grip on reality man. Heresy, I answered your hitler/bush thing and the fact that we weren't doing shit but staying out of the war when Japan bombed us.
know your history, we werent doing anything? how about this:

in 1935, Mussolini's Italy invaded Ethiopia, US placed an embargo on munitions on italy, but what was essential for the take over was oil which the US was providing and the government didnt do a thing about.

in 1936, Rossevelt administrations supported a neutrality act that stopped US help to the spanish government, which lead to rise of fascist Franco, with help from hitler and mussolini.
 
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2-0...I was talking about our current President, George Bush...Prescott Bush and Hitler weren't brought up by ME. I never claimed to know about the connection between Prescott Bush and Hitler, I was speaking about George W.

White Devil, since you are so much more advanced than I am in History, why don't you tell me why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Were you there when the troops were ordered to bomb the shit out of us? Did the commander say, "Do it for the Natives and the South Americans"???? I don't think Japan was stupid enough to attack the United States over something that didn't concern them, almost 100 years prior, especially since they knew nothing about what we could possibly do to their country. If that was the case, don't you think they woulda built up arms and fucked us up?? Because if they would attack us for what the government did to others, why wouldn't they bomb us even harder for what we did to them? Think about it...it makes absolutely no sense.

I'm sure you know as much about why they did it as I do!!
 
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I stated it in my post, which you most likely did not read. Let me summarize.

1. American envoy arrives in Japan. Japan says "thank you, hi, now leave and never come back".

2. American envoy returns with gunship/cannons and sails directly into Japanese harbor, showing them the meaning of "American diplomacy".

3. America claims island SouthEast of Japan.

4. America murders Native Americans and Mexicans in mass quantities. American allies, French, Dutch, English, carve up Southeast Asia and Africa for themselves through conquering and imperialism.

Soon to be American president Teddy Roosevelt involved in mass murders including one group who cut out and placed the vaginas of Native American women on their hats.

5. Filipinos revolt against their Spanish occupiers. United States kicks out Spain on allegations of brutality, then goes in and kills 250,000 Filipinos in the name of "civilization".

6. Japan reclaims island from America, leanring that might = right, and great countries become great through military means.

7. Japan proclaims intent to imperialize Asia, is met with Support from the United States.

8. Japan conquers Korea and China, after claiming Korea and China were "uncivilized barbarians and heathens", a process they learned from the US. Claims lands for Japan.

9. U.S.A and Europeans tell them to give land back in a bold statement of hypocrisy.

10. Japan is shamed and outraged; decides the next nation they take over will be a Western one.

11. Japan attacks Pearl Harbor.
 
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@H, What else can you do but try? Pointless, I guess.

@tadou, James Bradley, the author of Flags of our Fathers, a very well known book on Iwo Jima, and a prominent historian on WWII is the source for the Japan chronology. Bradley is a personal friend of George H.W Bush, a known Republican, and the man from whom many personal accounts and stories of the actions of our soldiers during WWII come into print.

I guess the Democratic party is now using well known patriotic Republican icons and historians to bend history with their liberal media bias. If only they had tinfoil helmets, they might have been able to escape the mind rays.
 
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"Remember Lincoln was a Republican, he was aiming to free slaves".

Sydal, Abraham Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves

Here are his own words....

On negroes

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." 1858

Saving the Union

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." 1862

There ya go, his own words...

So can a man that said those things be aiming to free slaves? It definitely wasn't his objective.
 
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"Remember Lincoln was a Republican, he was aiming to free slaves".

Sydal, Abraham Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves

Here are his own words....

On negroes

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." 1858

Saving the Union

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." 1862

There ya go, his own words...

So can a man that said those things be aiming to free slaves? It definitely wasn't his objective.

thats real..

hey tenk, where did you get those quotes from?

thanks
 
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I just took part of that quote and put it back in a search engine and you can find numerous sites wiht his quotes.

I shouldn't have said that Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves, saving the union was more important. If Lincoln had to free slaves to do it then he would do it.

Lincoln was a politician he did whatever he had to, to stay in power.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=+w...+races+&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=
 
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