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Sydal said:
And just an FYI, EVERY President is a "puppet" if thats what you think about Reagan. YEA, go back to Government Class, or at least teach yourself something other than what you've already heard. The President has VERY LITTLE authority, whether it be Reagan, Bush, Clinton, or anybody else. It's ALMOST like the Queen of England, that broad has no power, Parliament has the power, Tony Blair has power. Well, where does our power truly lie? Congress, Senate, the cabinets, the advisors.
Run Forrest run! The president makes the ultimate decision. Saying Bush is being led around by the hand is possible, very plausible, given his lack of necessary mental faculties, but in the end he still makes the choices. And the fact that he is advised by a group of wilting, half-dead carryovers from Bush 41 is not helping. Jesus H Fuck this guy can Choose his cabinet, and he just elects to get hand-me-downs. Then again, who would he choose? it's not like he stays up on world events...he doesn't really stay up on much of anything. The Andy of Maybury show perhaps, and Mr. Ed.

What was Bush doing the entire month of August before 9/11? Vacationing! As any good president should! As a matter of fact, Bush has set the record for days on vacation as a president. Go compassionate conservatism!

And what have we seen recently, especially post-9/11? A congress afraid to disagree with the President for fear of the unpatriotic/unAmerican label, because people like you exaggerate the danger in the hysterical age we live in. 9/11 ain't shit compared to the people 1. Reagan's friends killed. 2. The destruction we probably caused by giving the Iranians weapons, then turning around and giving the Iraqis weapons. Good job Reagan. Send the U.S In to look for WMD, and pick up their own artillery!

9/11 deaths: 3,000 people.

Iraq war deaths: 10,000+ civilians. 700+ U.S soldiers. Unknown number of Iraqi soldiers killed.

Do Republicans not like math, or what?

(By the way, love your double-standard rhetoric. "Attacking the middle eastern countries where TERRORISTS stay, I'm all for it!! DON'T FORGET 9-11" )
Yes, one TERRORIST act makes the entire Middle East a target! Get those TERRORISTS! What about TImothy McVeigh? WHere's he from? The Michigan Militia? BOMB MICHIGAN.

How is that a double standard??? You remember how many people they killed? Fuck that. If somebody killed my family in that manner, I would kill EVERYBODY that I believed was involved. That's no double standard, that's called gettin' even. If people brutally murder somebody you love, why should you give a shit about them or their family? It's an eye for an eye, that's not a double standard, that's bad karma for whoever fucked with you and yours in the first place. If you wouldn't do the same, I feel bad for your family...
Yes, that's all true, except that IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. 2 + 2 is 4. 2 + 2 is 4. Sing it with me Sydal....

Those Americans were our family, Bush doesn't care and that's GOOD...they fuck with you, you fuck with them worse. Remember Pearl Harbor? They fucked with us, we nuked them!! Same difference, only we didn't use stupid nutty weapons like nukes or anything like that. Do you not agree with what they did to Japan??
Yes, Japan was a nation of fools for attacking us! Where did they get the idea? Oh wait, they saw the way we treated our Indians, they saw us kill 250,000 in the Philippines, they saw our allies in Europe carving up Africa for themselves and all taking huge bites! But wait, the Japanese were WRONG for trying to become a superpower like America! After all, America Never killed anyone unjustly.

And Bush is right for going after the WRONG country! They're all brown-skinned anyways right Sydal. White Power! Let's collab man me and you will make a white power rap about how Bush is awesome for protecting the wealth of those nasty rich people. Everyone knows they need 5 yachts not 4!
 
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Good points. And yes, I think the government needs to focus on what we have HERE. I read it somewhere, that it's a damn shame Blockbuster can find you for a $5 late charge, but the government can't find people on expired visa's. YES, we do need to go out and get the fuckers that are here, but obviously it wouldn't be wise to bomb our own country. I would also like the government to worry about our streets BEFORE they worry about those of another country, but they won't. Our administrations may be idiots, but what are the choices? We have freedom that most other places don't...and even if it isn't much, it's still there. We as a people need to take control of our own lives and do what WE have to do....

We can all sit here and go in circles for days and days....we all obviously have different views and we're strong people so nobody is gonna change us. I wonder how the topic on this thread flipped so much...either it's an R.I.P or it's not, simple as that. We should have a new thread started for such debates...just a thought.
 
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Threads always get beat off topic here.

Then again if you read the thread title, this entire thread is a joke.

In honor of one of our more shitty president/murderers, I post popcorn.
 
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Run Forrest run! The president makes the ultimate decision. Saying Bush is being led around by the hand is possible, very plausible, given his lack of necessary mental faculties, but in the end he still makes the choices. And the fact that he is advised by a group of wilting, half-dead carryovers from Bush 41 is not helping. Jesus H Fuck this guy can Choose his cabinet, and he just elects to get hand-me-downs. Then again, who would he choose? it's not like he stays up on world events...he doesn't really stay up on much of anything. The Andy of Maybury show perhaps, and Mr. Ed.

What was Bush doing the entire month of August before 9/11? Vacationing! As any good president should! As a matter of fact, Bush has set the record for days on vacation as a president. Go compassionate conservatism!

And what have we seen recently, especially post-9/11? A congress afraid to disagree with the President for fear of the unpatriotic/unAmerican label, because people like you exaggerate the danger in the hysterical age we live in. 9/11 ain't shit compared to the people 1. Reagan's friends killed. 2. The destruction we probably caused by giving the Iranians weapons, then turning around and giving the Iraqis weapons. Good job Reagan. Send the U.S In to look for WMD, and pick up their own artillery!

9/11 deaths: 3,000 people.

Iraq war deaths: 10,000+ civilians. 700+ U.S soldiers. Unknown number of Iraqi soldiers killed.

Do Republicans not like math, or what?


Yes, one TERRORIST act makes the entire Middle East a target! Get those TERRORISTS! What about TImothy McVeigh? WHere's he from? The Michigan Militia? BOMB MICHIGAN.


Yes, that's all true, except that IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. 2 + 2 is 4. 2 + 2 is 4. Sing it with me Sydal....


Yes, Japan was a nation of fools for attacking us! Where did they get the idea? Oh wait, they saw the way we treated our Indians, they saw us kill 250,000 in the Philippines, they saw our allies in Europe carving up Africa for themselves and all taking huge bites! But wait, the Japanese were WRONG for trying to become a superpower like America! After all, America Never killed anyone unjustly.

And Bush is right for going after the WRONG country! They're all brown-skinned anyways right Sydal. White Power! Let's collab man me and you will make a white power rap about how Bush is awesome for protecting the wealth of those nasty rich people. Everyone knows they need 5 yachts not 4!
WOW!! I could never yell white power homie, but you go right ahead. I'm only a 3rd generation American pimp, and my family was not loved by these faggot ass redneck white power fucks when they came here, so kill that. I was even a target of some of these neo nazi's in High School. Hussein needed to go, that was on Bush's Agenda...and so did the Taliban. Now, pay attention...I never said I agreed with killing civilians, and I think I made it perfectly clear that AFTER Hussein was out of the picture, we should have brought our troops home, cause now they are dying and killing over bullshit, over occupation, which is something I am strongly against.

Japan, they brought us into a war that we decided not to be a part of, we were minding our business at that point in time...PERIOD!!

Don't try to make me out to be a racist pimp...THAT will never happen. I don't understand MOST of these dumb white fucks just like the next man, I don't relate with them whatsoever, my friends growing up were black and hispanic cats. As you may know, you grow and learn in the ways of those who surround you. So kill that racist b.s.

If it was Ireland or England I would still think the same as I do now. If terrorists came from Central Europe and we needed to bomb them, bomb them...there's no racial barriers with me man. Timothy McVeigh, they didn't need to go bomb Michigan, LOL!! Our government investigated it, caught him, didn't go bombing other countries saying it was them, get a clue. The government could have said..."It was Bin Laden"...but they didn't, cause they knew, and he died for his actions.
 
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Over 50% of those 10,000 were women and children. Damn Tadau, use your brain for a minute. Don't you think if they were firing a rifle they are considered a soldier or terrorist?

Look at this little Hellraiser!



Before she was blasted, she was aiming a rocket launcher at american troops!
 
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And how can you not give an estimate on the number of Soldier deaths, but right away you have civilian numbers?
There are estimates of Soldier deaths. The US does keep track...

While the Pentagon has refused to release any official figures, the US Central Command reported that in just one engagement—the April 5 rampage by a column of US tanks and armored vehicles in Baghdad—2,000 to 3,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed.

US military officials have said that between 10,000 and 15,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed, but reports about the so-called “degradation” of Iraqi units’ combat strength would suggest that the number is considerably higher.​
 

HERESY

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@ THA RIPPA I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT YOU WOULD MAKE A THREAD AS SHITTY AS THIS. I EXPECT GARBAGE LIKE THIS FROM MCLEANHOE OR IDIOT LOGIC....BUT COMING FROM YOU........ :(


OVER 25 MILLION BUCKS DOWN THE CRAPPER. 25 MILLION SHELLED OUT FOR A CORPSE. LISTEN DONALD REAGAN (LOL) DIED LIKE 10 YEARS AGO. HE WAS SIMPLY A VEGGIE TAKING HIS TIME TO FORGET HOW TO BREATH. DURING THE IRAN CONTRA SHIT WHY DO YOU THINK HE ALWAYS SAID "I DONT REMEMBER"? CAN WE DISCUSS WHAT IMAPCT REAGAN HAD ON 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES IN SOUTH AMERICA???


:HGK:


PS AMERICA IS CONTROLLED BY INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND ELITE FAMILIES. AMERICA IS NOT CONTROLLED BY CONGRESS, SENATE, "WE THE PEOPLE" OR ANY "COMMON" PERSON.
 
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Sydal,

Judging by your reply you didn't bother to read my post very thoroughly.

Sydal said:
Yea, I know why 9-11 happened. Bin Laden stated that it was due to American Troops sitting over seas in middle eastern countries where he doesn't think they belong. We have HAD troops stationed over there for years now, and he doesn't like that...THATS one of the main reasons he wants to keep attacking us. Well, dude needs to deal with it. We're stationed in Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Cuba, and various other places on this planet as well.
... Partly, yes, but more importantly, because of the United States’ continuous support to corrupt and repressive regimes guilty of human rights violations in the Middle-East (and elsewhere) like Saudi-Arabia and also the long-established backing of Israel's brutal military occupation, ET CETERA. I’ll get back to this point later when I have the time.

(By the way, love your double-standard rhetoric. "Attacking the middle eastern countries where TERRORISTS stay, I'm all for it!! DON'T FORGET 9-11" )

How is that a double standard??? You remember how many people they killed? Fuck that. If somebody killed my family in that manner, I would kill EVERYBODY that I believed was involved. That's no double standard, that's called gettin' even. If people brutally murder somebody you love, why should you give a shit about them or their family? It's an eye for an eye, that's not a double standard, that's bad karma for whoever fucked with you and yours in the first place. If you wouldn't do the same, I feel bad for your family...
For some reason it seems that you are impervious to argument.

Have you any idea how many deaths across the globe USA has caused by direct and indirect measures in order to further its own agenda? LIKE I SAID BEFORE. COMPARED TO THAT, 3,000 OR WHATEVER IS A DROP IN THE OCEAN. AN EXTREMELY MINIMAL ATTACK. How much more clearly can it be put? Since you seem to abide by the ancient and primitive law of Hammurabi, ”Eye for an eye”, do you think the people subjected to US crimes are allowed to retaliate and, for instance, bomb the fuck out of USA? Lemme guess.. no?

Let’s take another look at the definition of terrorism by FBI in order for me to elucidate my point to you, shall we?

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Now, allow me to reiterate: This is an apt description of the actions of the US government. The list includes, among other things, bombings, interventions, torture, chemical and biological warfare.

William Blum, America: Rogue State

"From 1945 to the end of the century, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes.

"In the process, the US caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
Now, you said,

Attacking the middle eastern countries where TERRORISTS stay, I'm all for it!! DON'T FORGET 9-11
Are you still unable to grasp the crudest double-standard concerning TERRORISM that this comment of yours contains?

Does this allow people in the Middle-East to say ”Attacking USA where TERRORISTS stay, I’m all for it! DON’T FORGET IRAQ ETC ETC ETC ETC”?

Those Americans were our family, Bush doesn't care and that's GOOD...they fuck with you, you fuck with them worse. Remember Pearl Harbor? They fucked with us, we nuked them!! Same difference, only we didn't use stupid nutty weapons like nukes or anything like that. Do you not agree with what they did to Japan??
No, I absolutely do NOT agree with what was done to Japan by USA. Do you seriously think that Pearl Harbor justified the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians? Also, hardly applies to your ”EYE FOR AN EYE” principle.
 
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A lot of people in the world believe that if somebody does something absolutely brutal to you or your loved ones, you should retaliate. Now, let me clear something up...I most likely wouldn't go slaughter somebody who killed a family member, cause I'm not fond of jails and prisons. You can retaliate in many different forms...actually, who knows what I would do, I've never had to deal with somebody in my family getting murdered, and I hope I never have to, it's bad enough when friends get killed.

Yes, the bombing of Japan is an eye for an eye, they came by surprise and bombed Pearl Harbor, where there were military personnel as well as civilians...we went and did the same thing, only on a larger scale. Does Japan hold a grudge? Hardly...we work very closely with Japan in all aspects of business and everything else to this day, they know they fucked up. Sure, what we did was absolutely DEVASTATING, but if you attack a country like Japan attacked us, you'd better be ready for the repercussions...if you're not you have no business fucking with people, plain and simple. They woke up "the sleeping giant"...and thats where we put the foot down and let people know we're not to be fucked with. Obviously some countries didn't learn from the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It's like people fucking with a silent kid in school...you never know when you might go overboard and push the last button. That kid might just blow up and hurt somebody. Later down the road, people forgot that it ever happened, and somebody pushes his buttons again, but this time he does far more damage...this is human nature homie....if you push the wrong button you may or may not be committing suicide, feel me? You can't change the animal instincts that human beings possess. We as a country understand that too well, because this country was built on blood...but that's animal instinct...think about it for a while!!
 
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We can go around in a circle all day, I'm not gonna sit here and keep repeating myself on how I believe in Karma...it's pointless, you have your beliefs, I have mine. I believe our attacks on certain areas in the middle east were justified, and I believe our attack on Japan was justified...you're never gonna change my belief structure and I'm never gonna change yours. THIS is EXACTLY what's good about this country....in other countries, such as Iraq, you would be killed for speaking against the government...you're free to do it here, so at least accept that as a plus even if you think this country sucks!!
 

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@SYDAL I DON'T SEE HOW KARMA IS RELEVENT TO THIS TOPIC. IT WOULD BE A *WASTE* OF TIME TO CONVINCE YOU OR CHANGE YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE. IT SEEMS THAT YOU WOULD RATHER AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS (WHICH WERE BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS) THEN TO ANSWER THEM.




:HGK:


PS IN OTHER COUNTRIES SUCH AS IRAQ I WOULD PROBABLY BE FORCED TO TAKE NAKED HUMAN PYRAMID PICTURES....THOSE PICS WOULD MOST LIKELY BE TAKEN FROM THOSE SENT TO "LIBERATE" ME......