Powell Confirms No WMD Expected To Be Found In Iraq - FlipFlop?

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Powell doubts Iraqi weapons will be found
Tells Congress stockpile discovery now 'unlikely'

The Associated Press
Updated: 1:33 p.m. ET Sept. 14, 2004


WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is apparently ready to abandon a major reason it gave the world for going to war with Iraq: Saddam Hussein’s purported storehouses of chemical and biological weapons the administration said he was prepared to use against the United States.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, who made the claim in a dramatic prewar presentation to a skeptical United Nations in 2003, virtually withdrew it Monday during testimony before the Senate Government Affairs Committee.

“There was every reason to believe there were stockpiles,” Powell said. “There was a question about the size of stockpiles, but we all believed there were stockpiles.”

However, Powell said in response to questions from Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, “it turned out that we have not found any stockpiles.”

Moreover, Powell said, “I think it is unlikely that we will find any stockpiles.”

The job now, he said, was “to go back and find out why we had a different judgment.”

Flawed?
Since the war, Powell said he had found that “some of the sourcing that we used to give me the basis upon which to bring forward that judgment to the United Nations was flawed.”

Powell did not elaborate on what he may have thought went wrong. Before speaking to the United Nations, where sentiment was strongly against war and for continuing inspection searches, Powell spent four days in consulation with then-CIA Director George Tenet and other CIA officials.

Powell told the committee Monday that he believed a strong National Intelligence Director would improve the quality of intelligence available to U.S. decision-makers.

“We need a stronger, empowered quarterback,” Powell said.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge joined Powell in endorsing the idea of a new director with budget authority over the nation’s nonmilitary intelligence agencies.

“In this town, it’s the ultimate command and control,” said Ridge, who was denied budget authority over other security agencies when Congress created his department after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Powell also endorsed President Bush’s suggestion that he, Ridge and other top officials sit on a Cabinet-level joint intelligence council to advise the intelligence director. He said he envisioned its work as similar to the military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, where heads of the military branches sit together to decide the armed forces’ needs as a whole.
 
May 8, 2002
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TOKZTLI said:
FlipFlop?
no, that isnt a flip flop. i thought you were at least half way intelligent.


TOKZTLI said:
“There was every reason to believe there were stockpiles,” Powell said. “There was a question about the size of stockpiles, but we all believed there were stockpiles.”
TOKZTLI said:
However, Powell said in response to questions from Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, “it turned out that we have not found any stockpiles.”

Moreover, Powell said, “I think it is unlikely that we will find any stockpiles.”
i flip flop would be to say there definately are wmd's as he said and then later on to say that they are definately not wmd's and not give a reason only an opposite position.

but here powell doesnt say that there arent wmd's, what he said is that he doesnt think that we will ever find them, which is from from a flip flop buddy
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
you're obviously never going to accept the fact that THERE ARE NO WEAPONS.
what facts do you have that there are no wmd's????????????????

thats right none, because that can not be proven. you cannot prove that there were no and/or are no wmd's dumbass.


especially since some have already been found
 
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wow, good argument Mcleansnatch.

I can't prove their are no WMD's in iraq for the same reason you can't prove I have a purple unicorn at my house. Wow, big fucking deal. The difference however is america has hundreds of thousands of people searching for WMD's and haven't found shit besides a couple bottle rockets.

A lie is a lie is a lie.

Remember gulf war 1 when america convinced the Saudi's (and the world) Iraq had a massive military build up on border and were ready to invade? Then when we got there - Look! No iraqi's!
 
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The difference however is america has hundreds of thousands of people searching for WMD's and haven't found shit besides a couple bottle rockets.
can you get a source for that and prove that?? or are you just pulling number out of thin air????

if i am not mistaken the weapons expeditionary force (or whatever it is called) consists of about 100 people.
 
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I can respect your opinion because we all have freedom of speech, but the fact of the matter is that no one except for the government knows the truth. Whether they would like to inform the public of what's happening or keep it confidential is another issue . . . .
My good man...if they found wmd you don't think Bush would be sprinting to a podium to tell the Americans? Come on.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Mclean is full of ish...if they found anything remotly close to wmd you can bet that it would instantly be plastered all over the press...that is my proof...where are they?
you need to read the news more often as you xcan see even 206 just said that weapons had been found
 
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Lil Pino said:
agree





WTF? you just contradicted yourself. you just said it cannot be proven, then you state it's been found? HUH?



or are you being sarcastic? can't tell which one cuz there's no tone of voice when you type
what is did is i told dude that there is no way he or any other person can prove that there were no and/or are no WND.

and then i even went on further to say that it is impossible not just because it can t be proven but also because evidence has been found to the contrary that there WERE wmd's
 
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-01-poland-iraq-sarin_x.htm
Posted 7/1/2004 6:07 PM
Polish troops find sarin warheads in Iraq
WARSAW (AP) — Polish troops have found two warheads in Iraq believed to contain a deadly nerve agent, but it is not clear what period the weapons came from, the Defense Ministry said Thursday.
The two warheads were found in early June in a bunker in the area controlled by Polish forces, and they tested positive for cyclosarin, a substance many times stronger than sarin, the ministry said in a statement.

"There is no doubt that the warheads contain chemical weapons," Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski told TVN24. "The problem is what period they came from, whether the (Persian) Gulf War or earlier, and whether they were usable, partly usable or not at all."

Another dozen were found later in June and were being tested in Baghdad and the United States, he said.

"Some of them are very corroded. They are probably not usable, but are dangerous to the local environment," Szmajdzinski said.

In May, an artillery shell apparently filled with the sarin nerve agent was discovered at the side of the road in Baghdad by U.S. forces.

Officials at the time stopped short of claiming the munition was definite evidence of a large weapons stockpile in prewar Iraq or evidence of recent production by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Poland sent troops to the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein and commands some 6,200 international troops — including some 2,400 from Poland — in south-central Iraq.


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http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040630-secdef0949.html

Q: Secretary Don Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense. A couple of other issues I want to get to were weapons of mass destruction and the Supreme Court rulings. And so quickly, on the weapons of mass destruction, obviously, the opposition to the administration says we should never have invaded. The Bush administration lied about the WMD, never found any, never were any, etcetera, etcetera. Now, I’m reading recent reports in fairly easily accessible published accounts that Syria is holding the weapons of mass destruction or some of them, that others were destroyed, that others might still be hidden in Iraq, etcetera. What is the status on WMD? And if Syria is holding any of them and you guys know about it, how come we haven’t heard about it?



SEC. RUMSFELD: Well, let me respond this way. The decision to go to war was a concern on the part of, first, the president, then the Congress of the United States and ultimately the United Nations that Saddam Hussein had had weapons of mass destruction, had used them on his neighbors in Iran and had used them on his own people in Iraq – chemical weapons – that he was known to have various other WMD programs and that he was required by the United Nations over a period of some 17 resolutions to file a declaration declaring what he had. And everyone agreed he had filed a fraudulent declaration as to what weapons of mass destruction he had. The debate as to whether to go to war was not whether or not he’d filed a fraudulent declaration. Everyone agreed to that. The only question was should you give him another chance, should you wait and go 18 resolutions or 19 resolutions, another five years or however many.

Now what’s actually happened? Right now you have the Iraqi Survey Group, which is a multinational group that’s out there reviewing documentation and looking at suspect WMD sites. I was with the Polish minister of defense this weekend in Istanbul, Turkey at the NATO Summit. And in the course of that, he pointed out that his troops in Iraq had recently come across – I’ve forgotten the number, but something like 16 or 17 – warheads that contained sarin and mustard gas.

Now these are weapons that we always knew Saddam Hussein had that he had not declared and they have tested them and I have not seen them and I have not tested them, but they believe that they are correct that these, in fact, were undeclared chemical weapons -- sarin and mustard gas -- quite lethal and that is a discovery that just occurred within the last period of days. If you think about -- most people remember the image of where Saddam Hussein was captured in that hole -- that pit that he was living in. That pit, that hole in the ground was probably big enough to hold chemical and biological weapons sufficient to kill tens of thousands of people. And therefore, it is not hard to hide things in a country the size of California. It’s quite easy to hide things. In fact, we finally found a bunch of jet aircraft that they’ve buried underground.

In answer to your question on Syria, there have been a lot of intelligence speculation and rumors and chatter about the fact that Saddam Hussein may have placed some of his weapons of mass destruction in Syria prior to the start of the war. Until that can be validated and proved, you’ll find people in the administration not talking about it.