Police shoot man 81 times *WARNING THIS IS GRAPHIC AND UNEDITED*
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Wow...the cops actually threatened to kill him.
[paraphrase]
"That's why we're sending out a dog. We don't care about the dog."
"While the dog biting me, I'll be shooting y'all"
"We'll send TWO dogs out"
"I got one gun with 1* shots"
"GOOD! We got more guns!"
They should be tried as murderers. They shot him before he even reacted, and when he did it was to discard his 'weapon', or before the dog even got there.
[paraphrase]
"That's why we're sending out a dog. We don't care about the dog."
"While the dog biting me, I'll be shooting y'all"
"We'll send TWO dogs out"
"I got one gun with 1* shots"
"GOOD! We got more guns!"
They should be tried as murderers. They shot him before he even reacted, and when he did it was to discard his 'weapon', or before the dog even got there.
is that shit real?
was it on the news?
how come the camera never moved?whos camera was it?
and regarding the video itself...come on ppl...we all hate the cops...we all know theyre on some shady ass shit...and in LA especially we know how they get down...who in their right fucking mind if they want to live...would crouch down like that hiding what he says is a gun, threatening to shoot...daring the cops to let the dog go and get him...drag this on for days...antagonizing the cops and talking shit to them...that guy got what he was asking for...
dont get me wrong...cops aint right whatsoever but...if im swimming in shark infested waters...its probably a fact i got a death wish if i start flapping and jerking and moving...get my drift...dude knew what he was doing...and even so...you dont do that with cops.
was it on the news?
how come the camera never moved?whos camera was it?
and regarding the video itself...come on ppl...we all hate the cops...we all know theyre on some shady ass shit...and in LA especially we know how they get down...who in their right fucking mind if they want to live...would crouch down like that hiding what he says is a gun, threatening to shoot...daring the cops to let the dog go and get him...drag this on for days...antagonizing the cops and talking shit to them...that guy got what he was asking for...
dont get me wrong...cops aint right whatsoever but...if im swimming in shark infested waters...its probably a fact i got a death wish if i start flapping and jerking and moving...get my drift...dude knew what he was doing...and even so...you dont do that with cops.
fuck that, those cops were extremely unprofessional. Whats with them talking back to the guy, and making bitch made comments? They are supposed to be trained on how to react in these situations and this could have been handled way differently. I think this could have been diffused without them putting 20-soemthing bullets into dude. He also did not have a gun, he had a sandal that he found on the porch. Those cops were some fucking cowboys that were looking for some action. I hope they get raped in prison repeatedly for what they did...
^^^so him saying the sandal was a gun he was willing to use and antagonizing the cops had nothing to do with them reacting the way they did...
im not defending those pigs' actions but come on...shit is common sense...i dont into the white house lawn holding a candy bar under my coat saying its a gun and not expect to get taken out by some sniper...you just dont fuck with police like that...you deserve to die...dude should know better...i would never even make sudden movements around some fucking pigs...much less threaten to take out their dog and shit...i think dude did want to die...come on...if youre sitting on that front porch in that dudes shoes...after saying all that mess and doing everyhitng youve been doing...you think the cops aint gon make you dance?...he either knew what he was doing or hes retarded.
im not defending those pigs' actions but come on...shit is common sense...i dont into the white house lawn holding a candy bar under my coat saying its a gun and not expect to get taken out by some sniper...you just dont fuck with police like that...you deserve to die...dude should know better...i would never even make sudden movements around some fucking pigs...much less threaten to take out their dog and shit...i think dude did want to die...come on...if youre sitting on that front porch in that dudes shoes...after saying all that mess and doing everyhitng youve been doing...you think the cops aint gon make you dance?...he either knew what he was doing or hes retarded.
askg said
Yes.
From what I've learned so far it did not receive nationwide media coverage.
From what I understand it was a police camera.
No we don't.
Some not all.
A person who is intoxicated, under the influence of drugs or who has a history of mental issues.
It doesn't matter if he knew what he was doing or not (I'm talking about his mental stability here) did he pose an immediate danger to the officers OR civillians? He claimed to have a gun, and although that is a serious claim, did he ever brandish a weapon?
Taken from your next post:
(emphasis mine)
Can you explain to the board how this man DESERVED to die? find your statement to be utterly devoid of logic, so I need you to explain this one for me.
He should? How so?
In several of my criminal justice classes I've had to watch videos of people being killed by police (several of them suicide by cop instances). This DOES appear to be a "suicide by cop" issue, but the way they handled it was VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and VERY CONFRONTATIONAL.
Yes.
From what I've learned so far it did not receive nationwide media coverage.
From what I understand it was a police camera.
No we don't.
Some not all.
A person who is intoxicated, under the influence of drugs or who has a history of mental issues.
It doesn't matter if he knew what he was doing or not (I'm talking about his mental stability here) did he pose an immediate danger to the officers OR civillians? He claimed to have a gun, and although that is a serious claim, did he ever brandish a weapon?
Taken from your next post:
(emphasis mine)
Can you explain to the board how this man DESERVED to die? find your statement to be utterly devoid of logic, so I need you to explain this one for me.
He should? How so?
In several of my criminal justice classes I've had to watch videos of people being killed by police (several of them suicide by cop instances). This DOES appear to be a "suicide by cop" issue, but the way they handled it was VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and VERY CONFRONTATIONAL.
Again I will come with the same sort of understanding that I usually do. A strikes B. B strikes back harder. A strikes back even harder, etc. I find it hard to believe that the police picked some random man, forced him into a corner and started making demands. Try setting aside the extent of which the police carried out their strategy, for just a second. This guy must have done something wrong. (A strikes B). The police came to this man for questioning or to apprehend him. (Note: At this point the scenario could have ended without any violence whatsoever) The suspect chose the high road and taunted the police, repeatidly made threats and provoked them to move in. WHY? This man put the police in a terrible situation, in Compton of all places, where it has been proven to harbor people who kill in cold blood. The police, who then acted in a horrible fashion, proceeded to shoot the man after letting the dog loose. Again, I highly doubt the cops chose for any of this to happen.
Who is REALLY to blame for all of this happening? The suspect.
Did the cops use excessive force? Yes.
A question to everyone: Take all of the people who have been killed by police in the last 20 years. If all of these would be "victims" submitted and voluntarily went into custody, how drastic would these ocurances decline? By what percentage would they decline? 50%, 75%, maybe 100%?
Who is REALLY to blame for all of this happening? The suspect.
Did the cops use excessive force? Yes.
A question to everyone: Take all of the people who have been killed by police in the last 20 years. If all of these would be "victims" submitted and voluntarily went into custody, how drastic would these ocurances decline? By what percentage would they decline? 50%, 75%, maybe 100%?
While the police do have a level of discretion that the average citizen does not, they are still subjected to laws, and the case of A striking B and B striking much harder is not applicable in all cases. If a person throws a hubcap at a police officer that does not give him the right to shoot the guy 15 times. It does give him the right to use his baton, fist, legs, mace or pepper spray, taser and pressure point holds.
I don't believe anyone here believes that, and by LISTENING to the video you can tell that was not the case.
You can't set aside the extent of which police carried out their strategy because it resulted in the loss of life. So just sweep it under the rug is that it?
From the looks of what is going what he did wrong was not give up/come out when they asked him. As far as what transpired before all of that I have no idea, and neither do you.
SEE ABOVE. This could have been a case where they went to the wrong house to serve a warrant, or it could be a case where they were handling a dispute that got out of hand as they were leaving. We (you included) don't have the information required to say A or B happened.
That doesn't mean they have to shoot the man.
It appears to be suicide by cop.
Some would disagree, and the fact that they did NOT have to resort to such force and could have sent the dogs in or resorted to other methods is proof of this. I've watched videos of cops sitting NEXT TO KNOWN MURDERERS and trying to talk them out of killing themselves or harming others. Again, was the level of threat high enough to warrant the use of force? No.
Have you ever been to compton, and what do you have to say about the police officers in the area who have killed in cold blood?
So what is your point?
BOTH parties. If you know ANYTHING about the death by cop or suicide by cop phenomena you would understand my answer. If you understood some of the problems within the police community and discretion you would have greater insight.
So what is your point? If they had NOT used excessive force would this man still be alive today?
This is a loaded question, and part of the reason it is loaded is because not everyone who was killed by police were given the chance to give up, and some of the killings are cases of mistaken identity.
I don't believe anyone here believes that, and by LISTENING to the video you can tell that was not the case.
You can't set aside the extent of which police carried out their strategy because it resulted in the loss of life. So just sweep it under the rug is that it?
From the looks of what is going what he did wrong was not give up/come out when they asked him. As far as what transpired before all of that I have no idea, and neither do you.
SEE ABOVE. This could have been a case where they went to the wrong house to serve a warrant, or it could be a case where they were handling a dispute that got out of hand as they were leaving. We (you included) don't have the information required to say A or B happened.
That doesn't mean they have to shoot the man.
It appears to be suicide by cop.
Some would disagree, and the fact that they did NOT have to resort to such force and could have sent the dogs in or resorted to other methods is proof of this. I've watched videos of cops sitting NEXT TO KNOWN MURDERERS and trying to talk them out of killing themselves or harming others. Again, was the level of threat high enough to warrant the use of force? No.
Have you ever been to compton, and what do you have to say about the police officers in the area who have killed in cold blood?
So what is your point?
BOTH parties. If you know ANYTHING about the death by cop or suicide by cop phenomena you would understand my answer. If you understood some of the problems within the police community and discretion you would have greater insight.
So what is your point? If they had NOT used excessive force would this man still be alive today?
This is a loaded question, and part of the reason it is loaded is because not everyone who was killed by police were given the chance to give up, and some of the killings are cases of mistaken identity.
Agreed.
Clearly. But people tend to forget that police are provoked into these situations (not necessarily pulling the trigger) where they must act on instinct in trying to preserve their own life. I just think more emphasis needs to be placed on the suspect in situations like this. But people tend to--almost in a manner that is preconceived--look directly to the cops and start bitching.
I said set it aside for just a second.
You are correct. But I am a firm believer in logic, and logic tells me that this man committed a crime. While I cannot prove this claim, I am leaning towards it as being true.
Regardless of why it happened, if the man went into their custody (even if he was just picking his nose) then he would be alive today and possibly back at his house doing whatever he was doing before the cops came.
I for one might agree with you. The family of another dead cop, however, might not.
We don't know the nature of this mans history. Maybe he was wanted for killing a cop?
I have never been to Compton.
I do not ever want to go to Compton.
The cops who kill in cold blood are no different than the "criminals" who kill in cold blood.
This is going to sound retarded, I know, but seriously, who started it?
They were not given a chance to give up? I've never heard of modern day death warrants. And even in cases of mistaken identity, they are still given chances to surrender, which is critical.
Clearly. But people tend to forget that police are provoked into these situations (not necessarily pulling the trigger) where they must act on instinct in trying to preserve their own life. I just think more emphasis needs to be placed on the suspect in situations like this. But people tend to--almost in a manner that is preconceived--look directly to the cops and start bitching.
I said set it aside for just a second.
You are correct. But I am a firm believer in logic, and logic tells me that this man committed a crime. While I cannot prove this claim, I am leaning towards it as being true.
Regardless of why it happened, if the man went into their custody (even if he was just picking his nose) then he would be alive today and possibly back at his house doing whatever he was doing before the cops came.
I for one might agree with you. The family of another dead cop, however, might not.
We don't know the nature of this mans history. Maybe he was wanted for killing a cop?
I have never been to Compton.
I do not ever want to go to Compton.
The cops who kill in cold blood are no different than the "criminals" who kill in cold blood.
This is going to sound retarded, I know, but seriously, who started it?
They were not given a chance to give up? I've never heard of modern day death warrants. And even in cases of mistaken identity, they are still given chances to surrender, which is critical.
A lot of emphasis IS placed on the suspect. In cases where death by cop/suicide by cop happen it is the victims fault because they DO place the officer in a situation where their survival instincts kick in. I also agree that people do tend to look at police officers in a preconceived manner, and blame for this lies with BOTH parties.
done.
He may have commited a crime, but he is supposed to be INNOCENT until proven guilty, and punishment should be rendered by the judge/courts and not by officers.
Possibly, but if this man was out of his mind at the time all of this happened (stressed, etc) why should we expect him to go along quietly?
A cop who resigns after killing a suspect or commits suicide after killing a suspect probably wouldn't agree with the family of a dead officer...
Since we don't know the nature of this mans history we shouldn't jump to conclusions. If he was wanted for killing a cop that does not mean they need to kill him. Do your job, bring him in, and let the courts handle him. The level of threat does not appear to be high enough for the level of force used. No citizens appear to be in the area, there is no history of a cop being hurt (based on teh video), and there was only the claim of having a firearm.
Judging from the vid I have no idea, but both parties failed to communicate properly.
Some aren't depending on the circumstance.
The no knock and announce policy has led to a recent death. When this type of warrant is signed and conducted their is no "come out with your hands up" type of deal.
http://www.11alive.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=88179
http://www.aclu-co.org/news/pressrelease/release_noknockwarrant.htm
And another example is when the police catch the person in the act of doing something, and they don't have the time to tell the person to give up (which happens in many cases where officers are undercover.)
Again, not in all cases.
done.
He may have commited a crime, but he is supposed to be INNOCENT until proven guilty, and punishment should be rendered by the judge/courts and not by officers.
Possibly, but if this man was out of his mind at the time all of this happened (stressed, etc) why should we expect him to go along quietly?
A cop who resigns after killing a suspect or commits suicide after killing a suspect probably wouldn't agree with the family of a dead officer...
Since we don't know the nature of this mans history we shouldn't jump to conclusions. If he was wanted for killing a cop that does not mean they need to kill him. Do your job, bring him in, and let the courts handle him. The level of threat does not appear to be high enough for the level of force used. No citizens appear to be in the area, there is no history of a cop being hurt (based on teh video), and there was only the claim of having a firearm.
Judging from the vid I have no idea, but both parties failed to communicate properly.
Some aren't depending on the circumstance.
The no knock and announce policy has led to a recent death. When this type of warrant is signed and conducted their is no "come out with your hands up" type of deal.
http://www.11alive.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=88179
http://www.aclu-co.org/news/pressrelease/release_noknockwarrant.htm
And another example is when the police catch the person in the act of doing something, and they don't have the time to tell the person to give up (which happens in many cases where officers are undercover.)
Again, not in all cases.