Pacquiao calls out Mayweather
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This is directed to anyone on here (you hiding behind the internet ass suckas) callin anyone of these fighters a bitch, if you got the nuts to call another grown man a bitch, then grow some balls and take it directly to who you are talking to and say it to his face. If you aint man enough to do that, then lay off all the hard talk. I thought this was a open forum where cats had a right to their opinions. Agree or disagree, muthafuckas is entitled to back whichever fighter they believe in. Some of you muthafuckas sound like you work for the promo team. Alot of these cats who been jumpin on the Manny bandwagon (especially in the last year or so) gettin bolder and bolder, and wouldn't bust a grape at a winery. A true dickrider are the so called fans on here who get their feelings hurt in meaningless discussions and resort to calling muthafuckas out their name on some homo shit, then when their fighter win, they act like they on the payroll. Be a fan, but leave all that grimey talk for where it counts, cause it don't make you a tough guy to call the next man out his name on the siccness.
Now back to the discussion... First my hat goes off to Manny. The game needs fighters like him to bring the excitement to boxing, especially in this era where the Heavyweight division is full of completely meaningless fighters. Who was the last fighter to do what he's done, maybe Duran??? Mayweather in my opinion went into hiding and shut his mouth in the last month or so, which is somethin he normally don't do. He knew if he said anything derogatory towards Manny before this fight it would mess up his chances if Manny won. I think he was praying for yesterdays outcome to turn out how it did. He knows Manny is now more than ever supremely confident that he can beat Floyd. Now Mayweather and Pac Man are about to get it on, and anyone one who thinks Floyd would back out of this fight is crazy. Floyd is just as confident as Manny is that he will be the winner and for good reason. If styles make fights then this will be a true case of the matador leading the bull. We all know the matador will be and well know who the bull will be.
Now back to the discussion... First my hat goes off to Manny. The game needs fighters like him to bring the excitement to boxing, especially in this era where the Heavyweight division is full of completely meaningless fighters. Who was the last fighter to do what he's done, maybe Duran??? Mayweather in my opinion went into hiding and shut his mouth in the last month or so, which is somethin he normally don't do. He knew if he said anything derogatory towards Manny before this fight it would mess up his chances if Manny won. I think he was praying for yesterdays outcome to turn out how it did. He knows Manny is now more than ever supremely confident that he can beat Floyd. Now Mayweather and Pac Man are about to get it on, and anyone one who thinks Floyd would back out of this fight is crazy. Floyd is just as confident as Manny is that he will be the winner and for good reason. If styles make fights then this will be a true case of the matador leading the bull. We all know the matador will be and well know who the bull will be.
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By Brett Okamoto (contact)
Sunday, Nov. 15, 2009 | 3 a.m.
Pacquiao vs Cotto
Manny Pacquiao captured his unprecedented seventh title in a seventh weight division with a twelfth-round TKO of Miguel Cotto Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Pacquiao vs. Cotto
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As of Saturday night, can anyone think of a single reason why Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao shouldn’t fight?
It kind of seems silly at first. Of course, there has to be some minor, highly insignificant, but ultimately negative thing about the two fighting one another.
But then really think about it. Is there?
Floyd Mayweather Sr. says there is. But he’s not telling anybody.
“Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”
If he’d have no problem beating him though, then why not take the fight?
“I have my own reasons,” he said. “I’ll let you think about it for a second.”
Whatever Mayweather Sr.’s reasons are, chances are they’d have a hard time stacking up against the reasons for why the two should meet in the ring in early 2010.
As Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, described it, it’s a fight the world wants to see. Moments after Pacquiao’s historic win over Miguel Cotto for his world title in a seventh weight class, fans from inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena started chanting, "We want Floyd."
Roach says that he’ll take whatever fight is the best deal for Pacquiao, but his pick if Mayweather.
“We’ll fight whoever we negotiate with the best. If Floyd wants a 65/35 split, he’s not going to get that,” Roach said. “We’ll take the best deal that Bob negotiates for, but personally, I want Mayweather.”
Back in September, following Mayweather’s unanimous decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez, his manager and close friend Leonard Ellerbe said that Pacquiao was the next obvious choice from a marketing standpoint.
That much is especially obvious, as the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights — although Saturday’s numbers aren't official, it’s certainly a reasonable assumption — marked the first time since 1999 that a single calendar year sold two pay-per-view fights that reached more than 1 million viewers each.
As Vice President of HBO Sports Operations Mark Taffet will enthusiastically attest, they are obviously the two most marketable fighters in the world.
“The two fighters’ persona and performance in the ring separates them from the pack,” Taffet said. “From a media aspect, they compliment each other. Pacquiao receives a tremendous following from the West and Southwest markets, whereas in Mayweather we see a lot of Midwest and East Coast activity.
“They are two megastars but to very different target audiences, which is what makes it almost a perfect storm from a marketing perspective.”
Even their styles are tailor-made for one another.
Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) is the aggressor, who has shown a willingness to take a punch to give one, as well as a constant desire to finish fights even when he’s well ahead on a scorecard.
Mayweather (40-0, 25 KO) is the tactical defender, whose elusive ability is often referred to as poetry in motion; always the type of fighter that looks to score points and attend a post-fight press conference free of damage.
The trainer in Roach says he has the blueprint to defeat Mayweather — something the undefeated boxer is constantly asserting doesn’t exist.
“We’d break him down and beat him up,” Roach said. “Floyd can’t break an egg; he’s fragile. He hurts his hands all the time. He has speed, but if he lays on the ropes and rolls his shoulders, we’ll take everything he gives us.
“I have a great game plan for Mayweather, and I know how to beat the guy.”
Mayweather Sr., on the other hand, remains unimpressed by the Filipino and the wins he has over opponents that aren’t on the same level as his son.
“We ain’t worried about that fight. Tell me where you see a 5-foot-5 (expletive) hitting someone who’s just standing right in front of him,” said Mayweather Sr., referring to the Cotto fight. “That’s what we saw tonight.
“He hasn’t fought the greatest fighter yet. That might be his next task, but I don’t know.”
One person who doesn’t care about Mayweather Sr.’s withheld reasons for the two not to fight is HBO President of Sports Ross Greenburg, who was already in the media center arguing with Mayweather Sr. on the subject immediately following Saturday’s fight.
Before any of the fighters had arrived for questioning, Greenburg was heard saying to Mayweather Sr. that he knew the fight should happen and that it was time to make it happen.
“I don’t want to say it’s just a question of money,” Grennburg said. “When you have a situation where you’ve created two big events in the last three months, basically to set up a semifinals in the 147-pound weight class, and the American public demands to see the fight it has to happen.
“And the way it happens is to induce all sides by getting everyone to check their egos at the door, sit down at a table and hash out the terms. Each side has to look at the big picture, which is there is a boat-load of money and a fight too important for this sport not to happen.”
Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who promoted Mayweather until the fighter bought out his contract in 2006 because of a falling out, confessed that even he was more than willing to put their differences aside to make the fight.
“I’m not going to put up with any kind of nonsense — no trash talk, I’m not going to negotiate a fight in newspapers,” Arum said. “If Floyd Mayweather wants to fight Manny Pacquiao, he knows who to call. Period.
“There will be none of this, ‘I hate him, he hates me,’ — that doesn’t matter. If he wants to fight, let him call me.”
According to Greenburg, that was news Mayweather didn’t need to hear.
Right before Pacquiao emerged from his final medical checks in his locker room, Greenburg walked to the microphone to deliver news.
“I just got off the phone with (Golden Boys Promotions CEO) Richard Schaeffer,” Greenburg said. “He told me point-blank that Bob Arum would be getting that call on Monday and plans to come in and meet with Bob next to week to make the Mayweather fight.
“I think we can all hope and pray that a fight of that magnitude and importance to the sport of boxing can truly be made, because it is time to capitalize on all the hard work that was done over the last three months. We can look forward to one of the biggest events in boxing history. Let’s see what happens, stay tuned.”
Monday can’t come soon enough.
By Brett Okamoto (contact)
Sunday, Nov. 15, 2009 | 3 a.m.
Pacquiao vs Cotto
Manny Pacquiao captured his unprecedented seventh title in a seventh weight division with a twelfth-round TKO of Miguel Cotto Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
Pacquiao vs. Cotto
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As of Saturday night, can anyone think of a single reason why Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao shouldn’t fight?
It kind of seems silly at first. Of course, there has to be some minor, highly insignificant, but ultimately negative thing about the two fighting one another.
But then really think about it. Is there?
Floyd Mayweather Sr. says there is. But he’s not telling anybody.
“Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”
If he’d have no problem beating him though, then why not take the fight?
“I have my own reasons,” he said. “I’ll let you think about it for a second.”
Whatever Mayweather Sr.’s reasons are, chances are they’d have a hard time stacking up against the reasons for why the two should meet in the ring in early 2010.
As Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, described it, it’s a fight the world wants to see. Moments after Pacquiao’s historic win over Miguel Cotto for his world title in a seventh weight class, fans from inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena started chanting, "We want Floyd."
Roach says that he’ll take whatever fight is the best deal for Pacquiao, but his pick if Mayweather.
“We’ll fight whoever we negotiate with the best. If Floyd wants a 65/35 split, he’s not going to get that,” Roach said. “We’ll take the best deal that Bob negotiates for, but personally, I want Mayweather.”
Back in September, following Mayweather’s unanimous decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez, his manager and close friend Leonard Ellerbe said that Pacquiao was the next obvious choice from a marketing standpoint.
That much is especially obvious, as the Mayweather and Pacquiao fights — although Saturday’s numbers aren't official, it’s certainly a reasonable assumption — marked the first time since 1999 that a single calendar year sold two pay-per-view fights that reached more than 1 million viewers each.
As Vice President of HBO Sports Operations Mark Taffet will enthusiastically attest, they are obviously the two most marketable fighters in the world.
“The two fighters’ persona and performance in the ring separates them from the pack,” Taffet said. “From a media aspect, they compliment each other. Pacquiao receives a tremendous following from the West and Southwest markets, whereas in Mayweather we see a lot of Midwest and East Coast activity.
“They are two megastars but to very different target audiences, which is what makes it almost a perfect storm from a marketing perspective.”
Even their styles are tailor-made for one another.
Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KO) is the aggressor, who has shown a willingness to take a punch to give one, as well as a constant desire to finish fights even when he’s well ahead on a scorecard.
Mayweather (40-0, 25 KO) is the tactical defender, whose elusive ability is often referred to as poetry in motion; always the type of fighter that looks to score points and attend a post-fight press conference free of damage.
The trainer in Roach says he has the blueprint to defeat Mayweather — something the undefeated boxer is constantly asserting doesn’t exist.
“We’d break him down and beat him up,” Roach said. “Floyd can’t break an egg; he’s fragile. He hurts his hands all the time. He has speed, but if he lays on the ropes and rolls his shoulders, we’ll take everything he gives us.
“I have a great game plan for Mayweather, and I know how to beat the guy.”
Mayweather Sr., on the other hand, remains unimpressed by the Filipino and the wins he has over opponents that aren’t on the same level as his son.
“We ain’t worried about that fight. Tell me where you see a 5-foot-5 (expletive) hitting someone who’s just standing right in front of him,” said Mayweather Sr., referring to the Cotto fight. “That’s what we saw tonight.
“He hasn’t fought the greatest fighter yet. That might be his next task, but I don’t know.”
One person who doesn’t care about Mayweather Sr.’s withheld reasons for the two not to fight is HBO President of Sports Ross Greenburg, who was already in the media center arguing with Mayweather Sr. on the subject immediately following Saturday’s fight.
Before any of the fighters had arrived for questioning, Greenburg was heard saying to Mayweather Sr. that he knew the fight should happen and that it was time to make it happen.
“I don’t want to say it’s just a question of money,” Grennburg said. “When you have a situation where you’ve created two big events in the last three months, basically to set up a semifinals in the 147-pound weight class, and the American public demands to see the fight it has to happen.
“And the way it happens is to induce all sides by getting everyone to check their egos at the door, sit down at a table and hash out the terms. Each side has to look at the big picture, which is there is a boat-load of money and a fight too important for this sport not to happen.”
Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who promoted Mayweather until the fighter bought out his contract in 2006 because of a falling out, confessed that even he was more than willing to put their differences aside to make the fight.
“I’m not going to put up with any kind of nonsense — no trash talk, I’m not going to negotiate a fight in newspapers,” Arum said. “If Floyd Mayweather wants to fight Manny Pacquiao, he knows who to call. Period.
“There will be none of this, ‘I hate him, he hates me,’ — that doesn’t matter. If he wants to fight, let him call me.”
According to Greenburg, that was news Mayweather didn’t need to hear.
Right before Pacquiao emerged from his final medical checks in his locker room, Greenburg walked to the microphone to deliver news.
“I just got off the phone with (Golden Boys Promotions CEO) Richard Schaeffer,” Greenburg said. “He told me point-blank that Bob Arum would be getting that call on Monday and plans to come in and meet with Bob next to week to make the Mayweather fight.
“I think we can all hope and pray that a fight of that magnitude and importance to the sport of boxing can truly be made, because it is time to capitalize on all the hard work that was done over the last three months. We can look forward to one of the biggest events in boxing history. Let’s see what happens, stay tuned.”
Monday can’t come soon enough.
cmmmmmon man you sound like your mayweathers kin...ima grown ass man married with kids, like ima go out to vegas to stalk mayweather and call him a bitch like he is to his face. i call him how he portrays himself to the public and in my opinion he's a bitch regardless of how good of a boxing technician he is with his unblemished record. me and the wifey was watchin the interview he had on espn and my wife who is as square as a rubics cube says "why does mayweather act like a bitch". that response was from pbf sayin if manny wants a 50/50 split that means manny doesnt want to fight him. now come the fuck on tell me that cat dont be actin like a lil bitch. he already rich and still claims to be the best pound for pound so why not fight the the current pound for pound king. my dickrider statement was for all the mayweather fans that doubted and discredited manny's last 3 fights that he just straight up dominated where he was very highly doubted by boxing analysts and critics in winning regardless if he was favored in the betting aspect of the fight or not.
You just said it your self fam. Your wife called Mayweather a bitch. Guess what, that's women do. The flipside to that is real muthafuckas don't waste they time speakin down on the next man or say something you couldn't say to his face, no matter how bitch made you feel he is. That aint respectable. Yeah "Women" do that, not men. Not real ones anyway. As for me, my personal opinion of Mayweather don't mean shit because I don't care to know him as a person. What I do know is the man has backed up everything he speaks on outside of the right to date whether i like him or not. I know he aint the first or last man to talk shit outside of the ring. It's unfortunate that a man of his caliber has to even do the things he does to get the attention he gets. If he don't fight for his respect, no one else will. Aint nobody handed Mayweather shit, and like any man, he goes about shit the wrong way alot of the times, but we talkin boxing not personal preferences. If we talkin who is the most humble champ, Manny got that hands down. If we talking best fighter pound for pound, we will soon see who that is in 2010 when they finally step in the ring
i hear where you comin from, aside from that i still see mayweather as a bitch simple as that...for the way he talks he should be willing to fight any of the top fighters, but we all know he's a chooser and tries to use money as an excuse. how you goin respect him as a fighter on that level. business is business and he goin get paid regardless so if he thinks he's the best pound for pound why not fight only the best? as for your real mufucka statement that don't have shit to do wit this. were talkin bout a cat that we don't have shit to do wit. i'm callin him out how i see him portray himself to the public. real life if i feel like someone is a bitch or whatever may be i'll say that to their face this just a message board bruh bruh i'm callin mayweather a bitch not his fans.
I ain't about to read all that, but pussy boy floyd is a bitchy bitch. he'll try to squirm his way out of this fight on some bulshit, talkin about he wants a 65/35 split on the money. he claims that he's the best and that's fine, but you gotta back it up if you say that. to be the best, you gotta beat the best. 40-0 means nothing if it's just a bunch of scrubs or fighters that are on their way down already.
manny is p4p the best and he's willing to fight anybody. mayweather claims to be the best, but turns away from fighting the top tier fighters in their prime.
manny is p4p the best and he's willing to fight anybody. mayweather claims to be the best, but turns away from fighting the top tier fighters in their prime.
I really don't care how great Floyd thinks he is, or what he's done in the past; we are talking about NOW, and right NOW, Manny is that fucking draw, Manny is the fighter with the buzz, and MANNY is the top dog, POUND FOR POUND. If Floyd wants to use the money as an excuse, great. But he shouldn't feel as if he deserves the title as #1 p4p without fighting Manny. I don't think Floyd is afraid of Manny, but afraid of the fact that he is one of a few fighters who could beat him, and wipe away that "0" in the loss column, take away some of that mystique, and beat his ''pretty'' face in.
I wouldn't bet against Mayweather, but I also wouldn't bet against Manny.
I wouldn't bet against Mayweather, but I also wouldn't bet against Manny.
That theory doesn't hold water. Ricky Hatton had a whole nation behind him, and what did that do for him?
Manny is on top because he's beaten everyone put in front of him on this run. He's moved UP in weight and DOMINATED. He didn't eek out a victory, or get lucky. He dominated one of the best welter weights in the world.
THAT is why he's on top.
Manny is on top because he's beaten everyone put in front of him on this run. He's moved UP in weight and DOMINATED. He didn't eek out a victory, or get lucky. He dominated one of the best welter weights in the world.
THAT is why he's on top.
I was thinking about this a little, and I actually don't hate Floyd...I'm just disappointed that he never challenged himself after moving up from 140. I don't even think we've ever gotten to see his full potential.
That's what saddens me. Easily an All Time Great in terms of talent.
As far as the P4P rankings. I mean, they're really mythical and don't mean much, but with what Manny has done in the past few years, and especially him moving up and beating the guy, who in my opinion, is the best welterweight in the world...there is just no way you can deny that he is the best there is right now.
Sure, you can argue that ability wise, Floyd might be a better fighter, but the only way to test abilities is to fight great fighters. Floyd ain't doing that right now.
That's what saddens me. Easily an All Time Great in terms of talent.
As far as the P4P rankings. I mean, they're really mythical and don't mean much, but with what Manny has done in the past few years, and especially him moving up and beating the guy, who in my opinion, is the best welterweight in the world...there is just no way you can deny that he is the best there is right now.
Sure, you can argue that ability wise, Floyd might be a better fighter, but the only way to test abilities is to fight great fighters. Floyd ain't doing that right now.
Point being, I'd rely on the color of a dog's shit to determine a prediction before I'd trust your judgement when it comes to sports. I've seen your predictions.
Now, Tony, before you get all upset and act like I'm attacking you and you want to cry, take a deep breath and understand that I'm just talking to you. I don't hate you. You must not believe that a DISAGREEMENT is ''hating'', or that I have a personal vendetta against you.
With that said, Jamarcus Russell is still a bust, Tom Cable is a horrible head coach, and Javon Walker was a terrible signing. Also, Al Davis is the BIGGEST reason for the sad state my team is in.
Had to throw that in, since you pretend like you know it all. It's cool, Tone Doggy Dogg...admit when you're wrong. I can.
I thought Marquez would give Floyd a tough test, and he got schooled all night long.
I thought Oakland could possibly be a .500 team this year, and that's not going to happen unless someone spots them 5 or so games at the end of the year.
I picked Clottey over Cotto, and Cotto won, although that fight was bullshit...ah, nevermind.
I picked Manny by KO over Hatton in (I think) 6 rounds...boy, was I wrong.
I also picked Mosley by KO, I think, vs. Mayorga.
See. I can be wrong.
Try it.
Now, Tony, before you get all upset and act like I'm attacking you and you want to cry, take a deep breath and understand that I'm just talking to you. I don't hate you. You must not believe that a DISAGREEMENT is ''hating'', or that I have a personal vendetta against you.
With that said, Jamarcus Russell is still a bust, Tom Cable is a horrible head coach, and Javon Walker was a terrible signing. Also, Al Davis is the BIGGEST reason for the sad state my team is in.
Had to throw that in, since you pretend like you know it all. It's cool, Tone Doggy Dogg...admit when you're wrong. I can.
I thought Marquez would give Floyd a tough test, and he got schooled all night long.
I thought Oakland could possibly be a .500 team this year, and that's not going to happen unless someone spots them 5 or so games at the end of the year.
I picked Clottey over Cotto, and Cotto won, although that fight was bullshit...ah, nevermind.
I picked Manny by KO over Hatton in (I think) 6 rounds...boy, was I wrong.
I also picked Mosley by KO, I think, vs. Mayorga.
See. I can be wrong.
Try it.