How is the SOUND/STYLE created???? by the album cover?by the 2007 oxygen that was in the booth when Da Zoo was created??? we are talking about beats right?? beats or SOUNDS are made by instruments or in Hip Hop's case machines that immitate instruments....
LOL...dukes, i cant even find another way to put it in order for you to understand what im saying. The overall "fee" of the beats are different. Same machines, same SOUNDS modules, just UTILIZED differently. IN other words, a mobb beat from 1993 does NOT sound the same as a mobb beat from 2003...do you understand now?
How are you gonna ask do I know what I'm typing and then reply DIRECTLY to what I'm saying?
It was a rhetorical question. I was merely saying that you are making littel sense to the actual argument in front of you.
Do u look at what you're typing because I basically quoted u.
Yes, i do.
What marks the change between those eras??? CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY.
And that changes, drastically, they way a guirtar sounds? A drum kit? A flute? A bass guitar? NO. Guitars havent evolved at all that much in the last 40 years. Niether has a drum kit and a flute has been relatively the same for hundreds of years.
Technology hasn't changed since 1999 when P-Folks first album came out. We were using digital recording back then too.
I realize that lol.
Van Halen Lynch and all your other 1970 1990 whatever the fuck examples were recorded on WAX TAPE, the reason they sound different.
Im not talinb about SOUND QUALITY, im taling about STYLE OF PLAY. The way these instruments were used to CREATE sound, was different. The way the guitars riffs you used are different then they are now.
Engineering and Djing and anything else that has to do with INSTRUMENTS can all b lumped into the BEAT category.
Tell that to a producer or a Dj and youll probably get punched in the face.
And everything VOICE related like chorus and lyrics can b lumped into the LYRIC category.
Tell that to an actual song writer and youll probably get punched in the face.
1/2 and 1/2 patna. you're stretching too much to defend this idea that beats aren't important,
When the fuck did i say beats werent important? Please point that out for me.
when you know like I know that you cant have one without the other, It accounts for HALF THE SONG GOT DAMNIT.
Youre not hearing me at all. I can listen to a GREAT MC over a mediocre or even TERRIBLE beat. I cant, however, listen to a TERRIBLE MC over a above average or even GREAT beat...it just doesnt work. My point is that rapping gets overlooked by the actual MUSIC in many cases...as it is with MANY cats on the Siccness. All they care about is: the beat is dope, the person rappin is rappin fast/the flow is tight. Yet, they are missing the MOST important part of hip-hop: the context, the message, the actual TALENT of using metaphors and imilies and all around being CLEVER with what youre saying. That erks me.
but I don't see the innovation that you imply exists on this CD when you insist on reminding everyone the year that it's not. I hear shit from the 80's, from the 70's and shit from the 90's if u wanna look at music like that. Music goes in cycles.
And this is the point i am getting at. A P-Folks ablum from 1998, is not gonn have the STYLE or FEEL as a P-Folks album from 2008.
That DJ shit u were talking about is coming Back around man. Thats why Production credits are BIG with the fans, everyone's like "oh Dr. Dre did the beat??? well I'm fuckin with it regardless?" you see people uploading singles and they have to tag it with "produced by timbaland", the MC is slowly becoming unimportant because the game is saturated with em.
And now we get to exactly WHY i have a problem with this. Once again, as i mentioned earlier, the BEAT is NOW more important than the actual SONG as a whole.
person 1: "have you heard the new ___ album?"
person 2: "yeah...its wack."
person 1: "what? why is it wack?"
person 2: "the beats sucked."
So just becuase one aspect of the album did not appeal to this person, the album is now wack. What kind of dumb shit is that? Instead of saying, "i liked this this and this", they just say the whole thing is terrible becuase the beats werent good. What about the lyrics? The hooks? Did it SOUND well mixed? Were the features any good? How about the concepts?
BTW, just becuase a song says "produced by", does NOT mean that person made the beat. Beat making is only ONE aspect of "producing". This is a huge misunderstanding among people that do not know better. Thats why most of the BEATS that Dre gets credited for, arent actually MADE by Dre himself, but his PRODUCTION team. However, Dre PRODUCED the song itself, meaning he engeineered, mixed, mastered, and recorded it.
