Old Boy

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 2, 2010

*************SPOILER***********

Uhhhhhhh....Dae-su is Mi-do's father. THAT'S the twist. The reason Woo set that whole thing up was because Dae-su found out that Woo fucked his own sister and got her pregnant, of which he (Dae-su) "blabbed" about. She then committed suicide,while Woo watched. You have to remember Korean, and Asian culture in general, is different than Western culture. This should give a bit of insight as to why everything transpired the way it did.

This movie was paced PERFECTLY and nothing was a waste as far as the story/plot goes.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 2, 2010

Retribution said:

LOLWUT

SPL/Killzone and Oldboy have NOTHING...ZILCH in common.

Dude, are you sure you arent drunk off your ass watching these movies???

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 2, 2010

Retribution said:

So you are going to compare a traditional Hong Kong action movie, with a South Korean psychological thriller. LOL....OK.

OK.

Again, comparing a Hong Kong crime drama to a psychological thriller? OK.

Seeing that its a HONG KONG action movie...:ermm:

Wait...what?

Its obvious you hold Hong Kong acting a bit higher than S. Korean acting style. Most Hong Kong movies have shitty acting when looking at Hollywood standards. Even Donnie Yen was really sub-par in this movie.

Both directors are considered masters of their craft WITHIN their countries. However, Park is gaining recognition outside of SK because he IS that good. And it shows and proves beyond Oldboy.

Oldboy holds more awards because it is regarded as a better film in the aspects that count, like direction, cinematography, editing (like most Hong Kong action movies, the editing is borderline awful), sound production, and the likes.

Oldboy is a much more cerebral film than SPL...like, its not even comparable.

But hey, if you like SPL more, thats YOUR opinion...

Count_Slapula · Jun 2, 2010

I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu said:

Both of the movies are made in very similar ways observe (even though I said this already)
Both movies contain: alot of artistic value, building the emotion/psychological aspects of the characters and at the end a couple twists are revealed..Also thanks for clearing up Mi-Do being Dae-Su's daughter, I remember it being something like that but couldn't remember since its been such a long time since I've seen Oldboy...

Also Artistic Value/Cinematography are the same thing, and if you say Oldboy wins in that category than I won't bother being realistic about it since SPL is clearly more artistic (has better cinematography) than Oldboy by far..And how can't Oldboy be compared as a Drama? The begining was very dramatic as well as the entire mindstate/exploration of Dae-Su which occured through out the entire movie...

Also I don't care about what country has better acting or that I "hold Hong Kong acting higher than Korea's acting style" I just want a better movie and don't care where it comes from..In fact, I hate Hollywood but there are a few movies they put out that are in my favs..And how did Donnie Yen's acting suck in SPL? Please be specific because last time I checked his emotions and facial expressions were fluently expressed through out the entire movie, I think people just don't notice it because it is very subtle compared to Hollywood over-acting every event in a movie (which is halarious that you even said Hollywood has better acting than Hong Kong)

And Wilson Yip is a popular director in Hong Kong?! Are you basing that after the fact he became extremely famous after Yip Man or when he was a nobody making cheap Drama TV Shows and Movies...Or were you talking about Donnie Yen's directing even though he only directed about 5 movies before than and isn't even regarded as a Director most of the time....

Its not that I personally perfer SPL over Oldboy thats just how I compare them un-biased-ly..And if SPL isn't a movie that has alot of psychological aspects in it that make you wonder than you should watch it again...What happened to the cops was grimey as fuck and makes me shake my head in dis-belief everytime wondering what the gift was...SPL wouldn't be considered a "Cerebral Film" but there is plenty of elements put into it that can be comparable

n9newunsixx5150 · Jun 3, 2010

SPL does not have better cinematography than Oldboy. You must be dickriding.

^^^See. I can do it too.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 3, 2010

Retribution said:

I full on disagree here. Comparing the MIND FUCK that Oldboy presents, compared to a run-of-the-mill Hong Kong action movie presents is asinine. No disrespect....that's just my opinion. Keep in mind, I LIKED SPL....but it was nothing special, especially compared to the hundreds of other Hong Kong action movies that have come out over the last 25 years. I can name at least 10 other Hong Kong action flicks that are better than SPL.

No, they are not. For someone who regards themselves in such high regard as a film critic, you should know the difference.

If you REALLY, REALLY feel that way...than so be it. I am not going to change your mind. However, there is NOTHING special about any camera work in SPL.

Because crime-drama and psychological drama/thriller...are two VERY different genre's, each using drama in their own way. Would you compare 7even to Heat in terms of "drama"?

Youre missing the point of my statement. Both countrie's have different styles of acting, and both CULTURES are different in the aspect of dialogue. Again, if you dont understand the two culture's thoroughly, its REALLY difficult to judge a movie coming from them, respectively.

OK.

He looked bored and disinterested in being in the movie. Not as bad as Dragon Tiger Gate, but no where near Ip Man.

Its "hilarious". Anyhow, two different cultures, but every actor AROUND THE WORLD, dreams of coming to Hollywood to act, period. It is the epitome of acting, and any actor will tell you that. Donnie Yen has been in a few Hollywood movies. I just find Hong Kong style of acting to be a bit drab. I much prefer S. Korean/Japanese style much more "down to earth" as you have mentioned.

Yip has been making movies for 15 years in Hong Kong and is one of the better known ones that is STILL making movies at the moment. BTW, I thought Flashpoint was better than SPL.

The problem is, you decided to compare an apple to an orange. SPL and Oldboy have NOTHING in common AT ALL.

Homie, the level of psychological aspects in SPL isnt even in the same DSM-IV handbook as Oldboy. Again, would you compare the psychological mindfuck of 7even to a cop drama like Heat? No. Because they are two VERY different movies. THATS why we are baffled at you even brining up a move like SPL as a comparison to Oldboy.

How many crime-drama's have a sikmilar aspect? How many movies feature a guy who exacts a 15-year revenge on someone who spread a small rumor, which results in him fucking his OWN daughter? Not to mention the ambigious ending they leave for YOUR own interpretation.

No, they cant. But this all comes down to subjectivity and if you HONESTLY feel that these two movies can be compared, then so be it. However, you will find NO ONE here that will agree with you. Take that for what its worth.

Awol36 · Jun 3, 2010

I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu said:

this is what i thought too. Mi-do is his daughter. havent seen SPL yet. Its has to be pretty good to compare or top Old Boy, which i doubt.

n9newunsixx5150 · Jun 3, 2010

To me, comparing Oldboy with SPL is like comparing Boogie Nights with Zack and Miri Make a Porno.

Actually, I think I'd put the analogy as follows:
Oldboy is to Boogie Nights as SPL is to Zack and Miri Make a Porno.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 3, 2010

n9newunsixx5150 said:

The thing is, you CANT compare them because the subject matter, tone, and genre are different. Again, you wouldn't compare Heat to 7even for obvious reasons.

n9newunsixx5150 · Jun 3, 2010

I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu said:

Well then, I'm saying that Boogie Nights and Zack and Miri Make a Porno are equally as comparable as Oldboy is to SPL, and probably as equally comparable as Se7en is to Heat. Se7en and Heat are similar in that they are both crime dramas, but the similarities stop there. In the general sense of being serious dramas, I think one could compare Oldboy and SPL, but that is as far as the comparison could really go. And thus it is a seriously lacking comparison; one that is practically useless. I use the example of Boogie Nights and Zack and Miri Make a Porno in the sense that they are somewhat thematically similar, even if only vaguely in that they both deal with the making of pornography. But, as with the case of the other comparisons mentioned, beyond that there really isn't anything in common between Boogie Nights and Zack and Miri Make a Porno.

In short, the fact that you use Se7en and Heat to try and convey that Oldboy and SPL aren't really comparable is really no different than me using Boogie Nights and Zack and Miri Make a Porno to convey practically the same thing.

0R0 · Jul 31, 2011

Spike Lee is having a moment. Mandate Pictures confirmed rumors today that the director would helm the remake of the 2003 Korean cult classic, Oldboy. The announcement came only hours after Lee tweeted that he was heading to the set of the next yet-to-be-announced Spike Lee joint. This would be a big day for any director, nevertheless one who hasn’t had a film in theaters since Miracle at St. Anna flopped three years ago.

The remake has gone through a host of directors over the course of its development. For a long time, Will Smith showed interest, insisting the new version would adhere closer to the tamer original source material and not the ultra-violent Chan-wook Park film. There is no word how about close the Mark Protosevich script will stick to either the manga or the film.

But now that Lee is set to helm the long in-development Oldboy remake, it’s time to start wondering how up to the task the auteur is. One of the main advantages Lee has in adapting Oldboy is his versatility. The director got his start directing socially conscious, character-driven indie films like Do the Right Thing, only to have his biggest hit in 2006 with Inside Man, a heist movie. This kind of directorial range — stretching from small films to big genre hits — added to his ever-present status as a controversial filmmaker makes him a more than suitable candidate for the remake.

Anyone familiar with the original film or the manga it was based on can imagine the difficulty in importing the dark thriller to the U.S. Last time I checked, Kevin James doesn’t eat a live octopus in The Zookeeper. Anytime a cult classic faces the remake treatment, especially when it’s imported, there is bound to be a strong reaction from the fanbase and lots of questions. Let Me In, director Matt Reeves’ remake of Let the Right One In, captured the feel of the original but failed to find box office success. In the case of Oldboy, what drew viewers to it are exactly the kind of things that will be seen as too graphic for American audiences. When one thinks of Oldboy, the mind goes straight to the octopus scene, the single-take hammer fight and the disturbing final twist. Losing these elements is what Oldboy fans fear the most from a remake. Lee faces the unenviable task of maintaing the shock value of the original, while attempting to not alienate a mainstream American audience.

:ermm:

Nuttkase · Jul 31, 2011

Defy · Jul 31, 2011

"Yo Dae-su, stay black!"

Count_Slapula · Jul 31, 2011

Will Smith...you gotta be kidding me

2-0-Sixx · Jul 31, 2011

ah man, spike lee, will smith? lmao can't really think anyone more wrong to direct/act in this film. fuck a remake, but at least get someone who at least directs SOMEWHAT similar genres of film.

Spike is a pretty good director and all, but lol no way he pulls this one off. I can see Dae-su (played by Will Smith) doing spike lee's trademark "floating" scene after her finds out the truth at the end lmao

2-0-Sixx · Jul 31, 2011

ah man, spike lee, will smith? lmao can't really think anyone more wrong to direct/act in this film. fuck a remake, but at least get someone who at least directs SOMEWHAT similar genres of film.

Spike is a pretty good director and all, but lol no way he pulls this one off. I can see Dae-su (played by Will Smith) doing spike lee's trademark "floating" scene after her finds out the truth at the end lmao

Count_Slapula · Jul 31, 2011

I think Daniel Craig would be a good choice for the lead role tbh

Even Johnny Depp, but he couldn't do any action scenes..

btw, the first part to this trilogy also is licensed for a American remake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_Mr._Vengeance

TOKZTLI · Jul 31, 2011

Way to fuck up an excellent film, Hollywood. U.S. remakes of foreign films almost always suck.

n9newunsixx5150 · Jul 31, 2011

There seems to be two separate pieces of info that are getting jumbled up with each other. A while back there was word that Spielberg was interested in remaking Oldboy, and he wanted Will Smith to star. That never came to fruition. Now, Spike Lee is actually attached to direct the remake, and there is no word on Will Smith even being under consideration by the studio or Lee. On the contrary, I read an article stating that Josh Brolin was at the top of their (wish)list to star.

http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/07/...es-oldboy-can-he-fill-choi-min-siks-shoes.php

Fucky McFuckerson · Aug 1, 2011

Meh, whoever they get wont matter. I aint touching this with a 3 mile pole. Fuck a remake.

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