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I do love this film and it got me into Chan Wook-Park but I have to say I enjoyed the other films in the Vengeance trilogy more. He really hit a high note with Lady, although Mr. had a simplicity that worked well. I own Oldboy and Sympathy on dvd, still need to track down Lady.

@ 2-0-sixx, I have both sympathy and lady on my hd but I had to track down subs for them seperately and sympathy wasn't properly synced. Did you ever track them down?
 
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I thought it was one of the greatest endings I've ever seen in a movie, nearly mind blowing at the time. Up there with the best of them like Usual Suspects, etc. but even more twisted
It's 3 separate movies about revenge, not an interlinked trilogy. The director is bad ass.
 
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No I never tracked them down.

The reason I wanted the subs hardcoded is because my experience in the past with subs was a bit of a hassle, time consuming or didn't work properly. I would ultimately like to burn to disc so I can watch on big screen TV and not my computer.
 
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No I never tracked them down.

The reason I wanted the subs hardcoded is because my experience in the past with subs was a bit of a hassle, time consuming or didn't work properly. I would ultimately like to burn to disc so I can watch on big screen TV and not my computer.
You're asking for a lot, buddy!

If you have Netflix, I would just rent them. IMO, they are well worth the buy, but I cant make that decision for you.

BTW, I thought "The Thirst" was descent, but I just watched "Im a Cyborg, But Thats OK" and LOVED it....
 

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BTW, I thought "The Thirst" was descent, but I just watched "Im a Cyborg, But Thats OK" and LOVED it....
Well Thirst was more of a romance/drama while Cyborg was comedy/drama, both really good imo although I felt Thirst was better directed. It had that level of polish that reminded me of Lady Vengeance. He should do another comedy type of film like Cyborg.
 
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Well Thirst was more of a romance/drama while Cyborg was comedy/drama, both really good imo although I felt Thirst was better directed. It had that level of polish that reminded me of Lady Vengeance. He should do another comedy type of film like Cyborg.
I thought IAC,BTO was just as polished as Thirst...i just dont like vampire movies (although Park made this topic interesting). IAC,BTO was more on the level of Eternal Sunshine IMO. The romance part is more or less stripped down to a minimum, as it more closely explores the human mind, human behavior, and how people effect one another in those mental states.
 

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I thought IAC,BTO was just as polished as Thirst...i just dont like vampire movies (although Park made this topic interesting). IAC,BTO was more on the level of Eternal Sunshine IMO. The romance part is more or less stripped down to a minimum, as it more closely explores the human mind, human behavior, and how people effect one another in those mental states.
Yeah it was more abstract and I enjoyed that. Actually it wasn't about romance as much as it was about lust now that I think about it. I enjoyed both tho, just depends what mood I'm in.
 
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Thirst was a tight movie.

Let me know if anyone has links to Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance & Lady Vengeance. I guess I'll have to put in some work and add the subs and all that fun stuff
heres a link to that, and pretty much everything else you could want.

http://www.asian-horror-movies.com/

lol this is my third time posting this. all the movies i saw had good subs..
 
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I got the blu ray of it, it didn't quite live up to the hype I have heard/seen from reviews..

But it was a decent movie regardless, I'd give it about a 7..The entire concept is well thought out but the delivery is flawed...It definitely doesn't deserve to be rated as one of the top Asian Films of all time...
 
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I got the blu ray of it, it didn't quite live up to the hype I have heard/seen from reviews..

But it was a decent movie regardless, I'd give it about a 7..The entire concept is well thought out but the delivery is flawed...It definitely doesn't deserve to be rated as one of the top Asian Films of all time...
What didn't you like?

And you are in the very small m,minority with that opinion...
 
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What didn't you like?

And you are in the very small m,minority with that opinion...
The movie was roughly about 2hours+ (at least thats how long I remember it being) the problem with that is they spent almost all that time putting in irrelevant humor while building a realistic atmosphere, the movie was attempted a very different approach from other movies and some may like that the movie was "down to earth" but the delivery of the movie was dragged out ; incredibly slow, instead of possibly adding another twist to the storyline they chose to focus alot of his time when he was sitting at home with his fake gf or walking around the city almost aimlessly....

I respect a movie that is "down to earth," but you gotta keep the people watching interested, instead of building up the suspense for a average psychological twist of a movie..
 
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The movie was roughly about 2hours+ (at least thats how long I remember it being) the problem with that is they spent almost all that time putting in irrelevant humor while building a realistic atmosphere, the movie was attempted a very different approach from other movies and some may like that the movie was "down to earth" but the delivery of the movie was dragged out ; incredibly slow, instead of possibly adding another twist to the storyline they chose to focus alot of his time when he was sitting at home with his fake gf or walking around the city almost aimlessly....

I respect a movie that is "down to earth," but you gotta keep the people watching interested, instead of building up the suspense for a average psychological twist of a movie..
What movie are you talking about? What you're describing definitely can't be Oldboy.
 
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What movie are you talking about? What you're describing definitely can't be Oldboy.
Nice sarcasm, but I'm one hell of a critic so this movie isn't impressing me...Which is sad because theres nothing I love more than Drama/Psychological aspects of life/film..Oldboy is a dragged out psychological exploration with a pretty big twist at the end, but you contemplate why most of the films time was wasted...I also thought the twist of him fucking his sister was a low blow, and a lame card to pull just to build momentum for the movie..Proving they could not of took a average story/twist and made it interesting without something as fucked up as that which made the twist better than what it really was/set up....

Btw I thought the begining was absolutely brilliant, but it lost its steam as soon as he got with that girl/his sister (Mi-do)

Theres a movie almost exactly like it but pulled off better in my eyes (SPL/Killzone) Not storyline wise, but Oldboy and Killzone were made exactly the same way, SPL just has better delivery and a couple twists that are nicely pulled off without using "low blow" situations..
 
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Nice sarcasm, but I'm one hell of a critic so this movie isn't impressing me...Which is sad because theres nothing I love more than Drama/Psychological aspects of life/film..Oldboy is a dragged out psychological exploration with a pretty big twist at the end, but you contemplate why most of the films time was wasted...I also thought the twist of him fucking his sister was a low blow, and a lame card to pull just to build momentum for the movie..Proving they could not of took a average story/twist and made it interesting without something as fucked up as that which made the twist better than what it really was/set up....

Btw I thought the begining was absolutely brilliant, but it lost its steam as soon as he got with that girl/his sister (Mi-do)

Theres a movie almost exactly like it but pulled off better in my eyes (SPL/Killzone) Not storyline wise, but Oldboy and Killzone were made exactly the same way, SPL just has better delivery and a couple twists that are nicely pulled off without using "low blow" situations..
I wasn't being sarcastic. There was no "focus alot of his time when he was sitting at home with his fake gf" in Oldboy. He was never just sitting around at home. There is the scene when she has taken him to her home, but that is pretty brief. There is a scene where the girl is on the internet in her apartment, unknowingly chatting with the man behind the kidnapping. These are both intregal to the plot and character development. There was also no "walking around the city almost aimlessly" in Oldboy. Describe to me a scene where he was doing this. In pretty much every scene where he was out in the city, he was following-up on some lead. Either that or he was hungry (e.g. sushi bar scene where he meets Mi-do) and that scene is also intregal to the plot.

You're also mistaken about who Mi-do is. She is not anyone's sister.

Oldboy is a far better film than SPL. I'm not even sure why we're comparing those two, but it isn't a fluke that Oldboy is rated higher on Imdb and sits in the top 250. Maybe you went in to Oldboy thinking that it was going to be a straight-forward action flick, and you were dissapointed. It reminds me of people who hated Redbelt for the same reason.

Oh, and I don't know what a "low blow situation" means.
 
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Not at all, I expected something artistic like people have told me and SPL is clearly more artistic than Oldboy (If you say Oldboy is than your clearly dickriding), Action isn't much for me but if its there it definitely adds to a already great movie....Also, the logic that imdb rated it higher thus backing it up as a better movie is halarious, Look at the highest rated Dark Comedy film which is "Dr. Strangelove, How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb" thats one of the highest rated movies and it was complete garbage and never lived up to the hype, which is what happened in Oldboy...

"Mi-do: Dae Su. In front of me is some kind of box. He's telling me to open it. It's the same violet box...
Dae-su Oh: No! No Mi-do don't. Don't open it no matter what. Or something terrible will happen.
Dae-su Oh: Please. Don't tell Mido. What has she done wrong? You know it was all my fault... I have committed an unforgivable sin, against your sister. And I also... Did you wrong. But, please leave Mido alone... If by any chance Mido finds out the truth, you son of a bitch, I'll tear you limb from limb. And your remains will never be found. Why? Because I'm going to swallow every
last bit."

Those are direct quotes from the movie, if I remember right inside the box was pictures revealing Mi-Do and Dae-Su being siblings which is how Woo-Jin got back at him towards the end since Dae-Su met Mi-Do at the restraunt and they both were tricked into falling in love for each other....Also there was alot of parts that were unecessary, towards the middle the movie slows down and slowly drags itself towards the momentum of the end, I mentioned that a couple times already....I'd half to watch the movie again just to pinpoint exactly where I mean (even though its just generally the middle of the movie)

Also look what I meant by "low-blow"

"I also thought the twist of him fucking his sister was a low blow, and a lame card to pull just to build momentum for the movie..Proving they could not of took a average story/twist and made it interesting without something as fucked up as that which made the twist better than what it really was/set up...."

Without something as pathetic and shocking as that the movie would of been a fail....Take SPL for example which the ending didn't resort to using something as shocking and pathetic but it was so well delivered that it fit nicely...Am I the only person who thinks the plotline of a guy fucking his sister so he gets revenge by doing the same to his best friend rather disgusting and awkward to say the least, and it doesn't even carry as much momentum and impact as SPL's ending despite how outlandish it is......Thats a fail in itself^^
 
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Also this is how I would compare it fairly

Storyline/Concept: Oldboy
Drama: SPL easily
Action: SPL easily
Artistic Value: SPL easily
Delivery: SPL
Acting: Tie, the entire cast of Oldboy did great but the same can be said for SPL (besides the one cop that was kinda fat that got his throat slit, that guy had like one good acting part and the rest was flat)
Directing: SPL, Oldboy did great although the artistic value/angles SPL had were flawless

SPL is only rated low because older Yen fans are used to mindless martial art films packed with a ton of fights from him...SPL was probably his first serious drama film that lacked as many fights as his older movies, but the fight scenes are still godly in it :cool: Which is why SPL holds alot of recognition despite not having 20 awards like Oldboy (Although it did receive Best Action Cheorography, see what I mean people only care about the action in Donnie Yen films rather than everything else he puts into it)