OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2008 SEASON THREAD

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Asomugha will probally be tagged again if he doesn't get a long term deal.

If he doesn't make the pro bowl this year something is seriously wrong.
 
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they would have to lose a lot of players and not be able to spend on thier lines like they have to....
Wouldn't be suprised if this happens...Al will sacrafice half the team aslong as he has a top notch corner...you saw how long it took for him to let go of Woodson right? I believe they tagged him 3 straight years. I wouldn't be suprised if they do the same to Aso...its kinda fucked up. Either sign him to a long term deal or let him go to a winning franchise.
 
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Wouldn't be suprised if this happens...Al will sacrafice half the team aslong as he has a top notch corner...you saw how long it took for him to let go of Woodson right? I believe they tagged him 3 straight years. I wouldn't be suprised if they do the same to Aso...its kinda fucked up. Either sign him to a long term deal or let him go to a winning franchise.

FUCKED UP HOW? ATHLETES WHO BITCH ABOUT THE FRANCHISE TAG NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT FRANCHISE TAG WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN ASOMUGHA. THE FRANCHISE TAG IS A TOOL THAT TEAMS NEED TO USE TO RETAIN PLAYERS THEY CAN'T FIT UNDER THE CAP. I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT ATHLETES WHO GET PAID 10 MILLION TO PLAY 1 YEAR OF FOOTBALL, SORRY.
 
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FUCKED UP HOW? ATHLETES WHO BITCH ABOUT THE FRANCHISE TAG NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT FRANCHISE TAG WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN ASOMUGHA. THE FRACHISE TAG IS A TOOL THAT TEAMS NEED TO USE TO RETAIN PLAYERS THEY CAN'T FIT UNDER THE CAP. I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT ATHLETES WHO GET PAID 10 MILLION TO PLAY 1 YEAR OF FOOTBALL, SORRY.
c/s

although when you do it consecutively, it's dirty pool IMO

no guarentee for player
 
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FUCKED UP HOW? ATHLETES WHO BITCH ABOUT THE FRANCHISE TAG NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT FRANCHISE TAG WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN ASOMUGHA. THE FRACHISE TAG IS A TOOL THAT TEAMS NEED TO USE TO RETAIN PLAYERS THEY CAN'T FIT UNDER THE CAP. I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT ATHLETES WHO GET PAID 10 MILLION TO PLAY 1 YEAR OF FOOTBALL, SORRY.
What I dont like about them is they lock up a player that may not even wanna play for the franchise, therefore they aren't gonna give 100% effort ie Woodson. Id much rather have a guy that wants to sign a long term deal and be a part of the franchise for years to come. Not sayin I agree with the players that dog it, hoping the team will let them go eventually but thats the reality of how some players are. I dont see Asomugha being that way, but I also would prefer if he were playing for the Raiders because he wants to, not because he has to. Doing it year after year to the same player isn't right IMO.
 
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Raiders' Ryan has praise for Cable, barbs for Kiffin

David White, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, October 23, 2008
Oakland Raiders' Sebastian Janikowski (11) and defensive ...

(10-22) 20:36 PDT --

Rob Ryan invariably takes responsibility whenever the Raiders' defense gets criticized.

With that said, Oakland's defensive coordinator decided to hurl a few barbs Wednesday, now that former head coach Lane Kiffin is long gone.

"I think it's great," Ryan said when asked about the coaching change from Kiffin to Tom Cable three weeks ago. "Breath of fresh air, having Tom Cable come in."

Still wondering how Ryan really feels? No problem. Ryan had plenty to say, most of it in defense of his defense.

To the point, Ryan thought Kiffin was too quick to blame the defense for the failures of his 5-15 stay.

"To be honest, I felt a lot of stuff was pointed at the defense that I wasn't necessarily agreeing with. It's been well-documented, we lost six games giving up one offensive touchdown last season and it seemed like every single game was the defense's fault.

"Attribute that to whatever it is. Bottom line is, I think we've got a damned good leader in front of the group now and everything's fine."

So yes, Ryan likes Cable more than he did Kiffin. If there were any hard feelings on not getting the interim job, Ryan did a wonderful job masking them.

Contrast that with the enraged look on his face when Kiffin was still the head coach.

Days after the 41-14 loss to the Broncos in the season opener, Kiffin washed his hands of the defense, saying it was solely the work of Ryan in conjunction with owner Al Davis.

Ryan responded the next day by saying Davis was not involved in the defense and that much of the criticism was unwarranted. The feud was so public, one defensive player asked a reporter the next day if Ryan and Kiffin were "still going at it."

Their initial falling-out came at the end of last season, when Kiffin informed Ryan he would not be retained - only for Davis to overrule the coach.

Ryan has no such issues with Cable.

"I think Tom's a guy you can go to," Ryan said. "You see some genuine toughness. Art (Shell) had genuine toughness. I think Tom Cable brings a lot of those attributes to guys who are in the room as defensive players."

By no means is Cable taking it easy on the defense. He criticized the pass defense after a 34-3 loss to the Saints in his coaching debut. When the run defense gave up 242 yards to the Jets, Cable said that "just isn't good enough."

Indeed, the Raiders rank 26th in total defense with 360.5 yards allowed per game. The passing defense is 22nd (224.3) and the run defense is 24th (136.2).

Ryan pointed out, "The game's still played with points and that's what we're trying to do, is keep the points down." To that end, they allow 24.7 points per game - 18th in the league.

Brett Favre and the Jets managed only 13 points in five quarters against the Raiders, which Ryan sees as progress. He hopes to build off that Sunday at Baltimore, where the Ravens score 17.5 points per game behind rookie quarterback Joe Flacco.

If anything goes wrong, Ryan said to blame him, not his players. But beware: He showed Wednesday the ability to fire back.

"He takes a lot of heat, but at the same time, he said he wouldn't have it any other way," middle linebacker Kirk Morrison said. "When you have coaches like that, it makes it a lot easier for you to go out and play."

E-mail David White at [email protected].

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/23/SPI913MC1N.DTL

This article appeared on page D - 4 of the San Francisco Chronicle
 

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FUCKED UP HOW? ATHLETES WHO BITCH ABOUT THE FRANCHISE TAG NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT FRANCHISE TAG WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN ASOMUGHA. THE FRACHISE TAG IS A TOOL THAT TEAMS NEED TO USE TO RETAIN PLAYERS THEY CAN'T FIT UNDER THE CAP. I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT ATHLETES WHO GET PAID 10 MILLION TO PLAY 1 YEAR OF FOOTBALL, SORRY.
Agreed!! Especially when you factor in how much they're getting for 1 year!
 
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cant fit under the cap? every time you tag someone they are basically playing a "contract" year....it would be way cheaper to sign longterm ESP for the first couple years of the contract

NOT WITH OUR CAP SITUATION. HIS DEAL COULDN'T FIT ALONG WITH THE OTHER DEALS WE DOLED OUT. SO HE HAD TO BE FRANCHISED.
 

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If we tag Asomugha again he would make close to 20 million for two years of football. I don't think he's trippin that hard!
 

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Supafly you beat me to posting that article... yes those were shots taken and directed at Kiffin! Even Kirk Morrison (who supported Kiff) took a shot as well.
 
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NOT WITH OUR CAP SITUATION. HIS DEAL COULDN'T FIT ALONG WITH THE OTHER DEALS WE DOLED OUT. SO HE HAD TO BE FRANCHISED.
See thats what bothers me...Aso should've been a top priority to resign last offseason but instead we go get an overrated CB and pay him a shit load of money instead. Makes no sense to me..
 

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Here's the one from Sac:

Cable is Ryan's kind of guy
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Published Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008


ALAMEDA – Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan loves Tom Cable as head coach so much so that he fondly recalls the good old days of … 2006?

The Raiders finished with the league's worst record at 2-14 that season with one of the worst offenses in NFL history but finished with the top-ranked pass defense and the No. 3 defense overall.

Ryan sees a positive connection.

"You see some genuine toughness (in Cable) like Art (Shell) had genuine toughness," Ryan said Wednesday. "A lot of defensive guys liked him and we played well when he was the head coach, and I think Tom Cable brings a lot of those good attributes to guys that are in the room as defensive players."

The Raiders' 2008 defense, however, doesn't compare statistically with Shell's 2006 team through six games.

The 2008 Raiders are 26th in total defense and 22nd against the pass. But after holding legendary quarterback Brett Favre and the New York Jets to 13 points in a game that went 12:30 deep into overtime, Ryan boasted about his defense, once a target of former head coach Lane Kiffin.

"Well, as much (expletive) as our unit has taken, the fifth quarter, we must own the fifth quarter," Ryan said. "But we take a lot of (expletive) in the press and everywhere else. It was great to see our guys fight like (heck) and help us win the game."

Ryan called Cable's promotion a "breath of fresh air" and said that the interim coach is a "(darn) good leader."

"It's been well-documented," Ryan said. "We lost six games giving up one offensive touchdown last season, and it seemed like every single game was the defense's fault."

Cable said the run defense must improve, an ongoing theme with the Raiders. But Ryan's group appears to appreciate how the message is being delivered.

"(Cable) knows, to win in this league, you have to put points on the board," linebacker Kirk Morrison said. "It goes hand in hand. He puts it on the whole team rather than, 'We had a lead in the fourth quarter and we let it go.' "

Injury update – Two starting defensive linemen, end Derrick Burgess (triceps) and tackle Gerard Warren (ankle), missed practice Wednesday. Linebacker Jon Alston (foot) also did not practice. Warren is expected to practice today. Alston and Burgess will continue to be monitored.

Linebacker Robert Thomas was re-signed to help fill Alston's role on special teams, with tight end Ben Troupe going on injured reserve to make room on the roster. Thomas was released Sept. 3 after reaching an injury settlement after a knee injury. He lost a competition against Ricky Brown to be the starting strongside linebacker before the injury.

"He was able to get lined up (defensively) and get right into motion with it," Cable said. "But primarily it's a special-teams role. That really is a role he needs to embrace."

Award winner – Kicker Sebastian Janikowski was named AFC special teams Player of the Week after hitting a 57-yard field goal to beat the Jets in overtime. It was the longest kick in an overtime game in league history, topping a 53-yarder by Green Bay's Chris Jacke on Oct. 14, 1996. The kick was also a franchise record, surpassing Janikowski's 56-yarder against Kansas City in Week 2.
 

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"(Cable) knows, to win in this league, you have to put points on the board," linebacker Kirk Morrison said. "It goes hand in hand. He puts it on the whole team rather than, 'We had a lead in the fourth quarter and we let it go.' "
Hmmmm... I wonder who he is referring to?
 

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So let me get this straight... Ryan sees some of the same characteristics in Cable that he saw in Art Shell... the same Art Shell who lead us to that amazing 2-14 record back in '06????

Thats great!
 
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Russell looks forward to playing vs. Ray Lewis
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News, notes and analysis from Wednesday’s media window and interview sessions at Raiders’ practice:

– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell got to play on the same field as Brett Favre and got the better of him.

This week, Russell gets to look directly across the line of scrimmage and see Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, a Hall of Famer in waiting. The thought of it brought a smile to Russell’s face.

“It’s going to be a lot of fun, I promise,” Russell said. “Just growing up and seeing him out there playing, you get a chance to play against some of the top guys in the NFL and bring your level up as far as how good they play, you’ll play the same way or better.”

– Raiders coach Tom Cable confirmed the signing of linebacker Robert Thomas after Ben Troupe was placed on injured reserve is in part because they’re concerned about the availability of Jon Alston.

Alston, who ran 22 yards as the personal protector in punt formation, missed practice with a foot sprain incurred during the overtime kickoff.

Thomas, however, is not a special teams contributor in the way that Alston has been. Besides his duties as personal protector, Alston is also the Raiders leading tackler on special teams.

Justin Griffith will be the personal protector if Alston can’t play.

“Last year part of our problem was we weren’t at full strength on special teams when I was hurt and Jarrod Cooper wasn’t here,” linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba said. “We’ve been at full strength this year and we need Jon Alston to be at full strength.”

– Defensive end Derrick Burgess (triceps) and defensive Gerard Warren (ankle) also missed practice. Cable sounded optimistic that Warren could get on the field today. He said Burgess was “day-to-day,” which in many cases means “at least a few more days away.”

– Russell doesn’t believe he is far enough along in his development to prod Cable and offensive coordinator Greg Knapp into being more aggressive in the passing game.

“I guess when I get older in it and being around a lot of guys, I may be able to tell them, ‘Naw, naw, listen,’ ” Russell said. “Right now, I’m still really my first year of playing so I can’t just go out there and tell the coach what to call.”

Russell said coaches do make it a point to ask him plays that he likes and sometimes take that into account.

– Russell has been a different passer at home (60 percent) than on the road (39 percent). Part of that has been circumstance. The Raiders threw sparingly against Kansas City and Buffalo and Cable said he overloaded Russell in a 13-for-35 effort against New Orleans.

Russell said he felt fine, it was just the score that got out of hand.

“I was OK but it just got to a situation where the defense knew that we had to pass so it was the way they played the trail technique as far as on the corners,” Russell said. “They knew what we had to do to get the ball down the field because the running game wasn’t working. So those guys knew and they really set back on it.”

– Wrote the other day that Robert Gallery had his first false start of the season on the opening play against the Jets. Actually, it was his first accepted penalty of any kind.

“He’s really cleaned his game up. He’s a really fine, fine player now. You look at him consistently and he’s grading out at a much higher level,” Cable said. “He can take side of the backside of the running game, we’re able to run to him and Kwame with some balance now. He really is becoming what everyone wanted him to be when he was picked. He’s a very good player.”

Cable thinks Gallery is nearing a Pro Bowl level, and with “a couple of trips across the water” in Honolulu, will shed the bust label which many have attached to him since he struggled at tackle.

He said the last step for Gallery is making blocks at the second level, while at the same time noting one of his best blocks against the Jets was a second-level cut block opening up a 25-yard screen for Darren McFadden.

Gallery figures if the Raiders start winning, the the whole reputation thing will take care of itself.

“When people aren’t here they don’t know what’s going on or what goes on in here,” Gallery said. “It’s easy for them to sit on TV and say you’re a bust and you’re this or you’re that or you’re terrible. That doesn’t really affect me. But I’d be lying if it wasn’t motivation. Not to throw in your face, but when people doubt, that’s the way it’s gonna be.”

– The Raiders struggling running game is in for another difficult test. The Ravens lead the NFL in rush defense, having given up 403 yards and 2.8 yards per carry. Ex-Raider Dominic Rhodes, with 73 yards on 25 carries, has made the biggest dent in the Baltimore defense.

The Raiders are ranked fifth in the NFL in rushing at 143.0 yards per game, but erase the Chiefs’ 300-yard explosion and it falls to a sub-mediocre 111.6.

“We’ve had some runners out, we’ve had some linemen out, I think you’ve got to get healthy and get the group back together again and then you start to work yourself where you want to be,” Cable said.

– Cable said the Raiders didn’t use the “Wildcat” formation with McFadden as the shotgun quarterback because it was the first game with the three running backs all at full strength and having practiced all week.

He didn’t rule it out against the Ravens, even though Baltimore shoved the formation back in the Dolphins’ face.

“It makes you think about it, you know, obviously they’ve got a plan for it,” Cable said. “It was good to see their plan, though. It really just depends on how we feel in the game whether we use it or not.”

– More kudos from Nnamdi Asomugha, courtesy of Ravens coach John Harbaugh by conference call. Harbaugh called him the best cornerback in the NFL, and was asked why so few teams throw in Asomugha’s direction.

“My guess is the quarterback looks over there and the guy’s not open. So it’s hard to throw to a guy that’s just blanketed all the time,” Harbaugh said. “And when you watch the tape, that’s pretty much how it works with him. The thing about him that’s so interesting is it’s not just the coverage part of it. He does it all. He plays the run. He gets off blocks. He’s always in position, zone or man, he’s just a complete player.”

– Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan rejected the notion of having Asomugha shadow his best reciever in a previous post which ran in question and answer form. His reasoning? He’s got another great corner in DeAngelo Hall on the other side.

Read between the lines and notice Ryan reads and sees everything, giving his side of issues like the prevent defense and bringing more pressure in the form of blitzing before we even had a chance to ask about them.

There’s also a great line about coaching against his twin brother Rex.

“I keep quiet and like to be a professional,” Ryan said. “He’s an arrogant ass.”