Official Ken Shamrock Vs Kimbo Slice

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Mar 23, 2004
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shamrocks too fuckin old. kimbos garbage he shouldve lost his last fight dude gots no air. id rather him stick wit the internet shit an fight big ass wannabees wit no skills

fight'll be boring.... better be free
 
Oct 19, 2004
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Kimbo we all know would get destoryed by a decent opponent so it is what it is,entertainment....maybe kimbo overtime can be a legit contender but for right now ill enjoy watching this faded with my homies hoping for a violent blow to shamrocks head for the knockout
 
Mar 13, 2003
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He don't have to prove shit as long as people keep watching him regardless of what he does.

He'll be box office until he loses. The casual viewer who wants to see Kimbo don't care who they put in front of him. They just want to see him do more of what he was doing to bums on youtube.

The purists want to see him prove himself. Purist and commerce = oil and water.
Ur right!!!!

....Im not watching tho, he's not developing as a MMA fighter.
I agree with that comment that he should just keep fighting those wanna be fighters with no skill.
 
Aug 9, 2006
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imma be watching regardless.....i dont give a shit really who he fights ill watch it...its obvious that elite is exploting the charcter that is kimbo but all of us talking shit about him/that isnt going to change that...hopefully it will be an exciting fight with kimbo knocking his dome off or something....its free i dont see why ANYONE is complaning
 
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Shamrock-Slice Keys to Victory

by Jason Probst



What a difference a year makes.

With Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson (Pictures) set to square off against Ken Shamrock (Pictures) at the EliteXC show on Oct. 4 in Sunrise, Fla., Ferguson will likely be a solid favorite in his fourth bout -- his second straight before a nationally televised CBS audience.

Prior to his professional debut last November, Ferguson’s skills, or perceived lack of them, elicited heated debate in the mixed martial arts community. After three wins, the latest a gutsy third-round stoppage of James Thompson (Pictures) in May, he seems to possess at least the requisite heart and upside to position himself perfectly for a win against Shamrock -- the UFC Hall-of-Famer who has dropped his last five fights and seven of his last eight, six via knockout.

All in all, it seems like the kind of smart matchmaking, coupled with a massive live network audience, designed to build up Ferguson by exposing him to a reasonable degree of risk with the potential for maximum payoff. But there’s many a slip twixt a cup and lip, especially in MMA. Here are three key factors that will determine if Slice continues his dizzying ride up the legitimacy ladder against Shamrock or if the 44-year-old scores the kind of upset that can punctuate a career.

Do what you do best


Jim Page/Sherdog.com

Ken Shamrock (left) has had a rough
go recently, including a knockout
loss to Robert Berry in March.Kimbo can bang and will clearly be looking to unload his big punches and avoid a ground fight. Shamrock, never confused with the likes of a Maurice Smith (Pictures) or Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic standing, has looked especially stiff on his feet in recent outings. Facing journeyman Robert “Buzz” Berry in his last bout, Shamrock never got untracked and looked like a deer caught in headlights as soon as he was struck, eventually succumbing to a first-round TKO.

Slice’s ground game remains a question mark but not as big as it used to be. Regardless of the haters and critics, it isn’t every day that a guy takes a pounding against an experienced veteran like Thompson -- much of it on his back -- escapes from numerous bad positions and rebounds with a highlight-reel stoppage in a three-round war. Especially when he’s fought a total of 62 seconds in his first two bouts.

Sweep aside the natural backlash against the Internet hype that fueled his rise, and Ferguson is an impressive prospect. He showed a patience and tactical awareness, a coolness under fire, that you can’t teach. When Thompson was elbowing his head in their fight, it no doubt caused multiple panic attacks among EliteXC management. But “Slice” kept his wits and banged out the win with a Rocky-style comeback. Love him or hate him, he’s a baller who will keep throwing until he’s got nothing left.

Regardless, Shamrock has to take this fight to the ground. He always had a good combination of physical strength and positional dominance when he could get a guy on his back. Even at his advanced age, when the legs, reflexes and durability might be going, he can still rely on rote muscle memory to grapple and control Kimbo if he can get him down.

Create momentum early

After three one-sided losses to Tito Ortiz (Pictures), Shamrock’s ability to assert himself early in fights seems to be as much a casualty as anything else. Watching him against Berry made it obvious that his best years are a half-decade or more behind him. But an aging fighter can take stock in the fact that he’s dealt with tough moments. Can Ferguson? Surely, Shamrock will get an adrenaline boost if he can do something effective early, perhaps a solid leg kick or takedown. Maybe he can expose the still-green Kimbo with some grappling move that shows their vast gap in experience.


Dave Mandel/Sherdog.com

Kimbo Slice (left) is at his best when
counter punching in the pocket.Whatever it is, Shamrock has to walk the line between applying his strengths against dumbing it down into a duck-and-let-them-fly slugfest. That’s the strategy David “Tank” Abbott (Pictures) applied, and he got his head handed to him. Abbott landed his money right hand, and Ferguson merely shrugged it off and knocked him out.

For Ferguson, this fight invites all sorts of opportunity, mostly because he should be the superior fighter in a standing match and he’s probably only going to be better off the Thompson fight. Going three rounds for the first time is a huge asset for any developing fighter. It gives him a sense of confidence in what he can push himself to do, while not panicking that he’s going to gas on the back end of the bout.

Ferguson should be able to push the pace and open up hitting on all cylinders, which means he’ll be headhunting and looking to score a big win. If Shamrock’s latest performances are any indication, a bomb or two from Ferguson should be all he needs to notch the win.

Sweep the leg, Kenny

Leg locks are almost a forgotten art in MMA, mostly because the standard counter is well known -- twist yourself into a negating position and pound the other guy in the face. But a good leg lock is pretty hard to defend against if it’s set up correctly against an inexperienced opponent. Shamrock isn’t likely to blast Ferguson out on the feet, and every sequence he spends risking himself further reduces his chances.

If he can’t take Ferguson down via conventional means (leg shoot, clinch or strike), Shamrock can always fall back on pulling guard from a tie-up. From there, it’s standard jiu-jitsu to set up Ferguson for a leg submission. And while his billing as the “World’s Most Dangerous Man” was mainly a professional wrestling shtick designed to capitalize on his MMA career, Shamrock does have decent leg attacks.

Trainer Bas Rutten (Pictures) surely knows this and will have his charge ready to avoid Shamrock’s attempts. But training against leg locks and actually defending against one is an especially big leap. Just ask Brock Lesnar (Pictures).

Ferguson should be aware of the veteran’s tricks. It might be tempting to fall into Shamrock’s guard and pound him out from there if he’s evasive and unwilling to trade standing (a long shot, considering Shamrock’s leaky defense of late). But Shamrock has forgotten more about MMA than most guys know, and it’s that kind of veteran savvy that can turn around fights.

Ferguson is still in his nascent phase of MMA, seeing moves and sequences as they materialize, and Shamrock can take advantage of that on the ground. He’s 44, but in a grappling match, he could still pose problems, particularly if he gets on top. Shamrock is still a good ground-and-pound artist and aggressive enough to create problems for Ferguson if he can put him on his back.

Conclusion

This kind of matchmaking gives the EliteXC/CBS partnership a shot in the arm, while giving critics a potential windfall of material, regardless of the result. Whatever happens, it’s likely to be exciting, and a plot twist or two -- as the Thompson bout unexpectedly provided -- would be an added bonus if Ferguson notches another victory.

If Shamrock wins, it would definitely cap off the longest-running active career in the sport, along with a healthy dose of schadenfreude for critics of this match. If he does pull off the upset, you should probably mute your television at the time of the stoppage, because you’ll hear UFC president Dana White laughing.

That’s the impetus to ensure that almost everyone will be watching.
 
May 17, 2004
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KEN WOULD BEAT KIMBOS ASS, MMA FIGHTERS ARE THE BEST THERE ARE
the ken shamrock of the past would beat him easily. not the 44 year old ken shamrock who has lost 7 of his last 8 fights including being knocked out by Chuck Berry in the first round in march.

cant take anything away from what shamrock has done in his career, but he cant fight anymore.

im afraid hes gonna get his ass knocked out in the first round.
 
Feb 7, 2006
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the ken shamrock of the past would beat him easily. not the 44 year old ken shamrock who has lost 7 of his last 8 fights including being knocked out by Chuck Berry in the first round in march.

cant take anything away from what shamrock has done in his career, but he cant fight anymore.

im afraid hes gonna get his ass knocked out in the first round.
that Robert Buzz Berry....lol at Chuck Berry
 

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damn why does shamrock do this to himself, Kimbo is gonna murder him just like Ortiz did all them times
 
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Brett Rogers Releases Explosive Statement

EliteXC’s recent public announcement that it had decided on Ken Shamrock as the next opponent for Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson during its next installment of “Saturday Night Fights” on CBS on Oct. 4, it has once again left Brett Rogers and his unblemished 8-0 record on the outside looking in.

Securing a match against Slice has been a tremendous source of frustration for the massive heavyweight, who has compiled a 3-0 record while competing under the EliteXC banner. His angst was never more apparent than during the post-fight press conference that proceeded EliteXC and CBS’ first-ever network primetime telecast on May 31.

During the presser, Rogers offered a negative critique of the effort Slice had turned in during the night’s main event against James Thompson. Rogers went so far as to label the effort as “garbage” with Slice sitting just several feet away from him. Slice eventually took exception to Rogers’ words and stood to face him.

Unwilling to back down from Slice, a near brawl between the camps of both fighters almost ensued.
The post-fight drama was a manifestation of Rogers’ dissatisfaction with the fact that Thompson had been awarded the coveted main event slot vs. Slice in spite of the fact that Rogers had recorded a first round knockout over him just months earlier during EliteXC’s “Street Certified.” Cooler heads prevailed but the frustrations linger to this day.

With Rogers once again being passed over, many reporters have attempted to contact Rogers through his Team Bison camp. While Rogers is expected to start granting interviews soon, his manager and Team Bison head trainer, Mike Reilly, has released an exclusive statement to FiveOuncesOfPain.comthat states for the record how Rogers and his camp feels about the recent decision to grant Shamrock the main event slot vs. Slice.

A copy of the explosive statement that was released to us is now available below:

On behalf of Brett Rogers and the Team Bison Camp -

We are getting a lot of requests for interviews concerning the recently announced Shamrock vs. Slice match up. I believe many people are looking for us to be upset and join the pig pile on EliteXC. Well, people have to keep on looking.

Brett has two words tattooed on his arms: one is success and the other is patience. We of course would like to fight Kimbo here and now. We would like to fight him today. We would love to fight a legend like Shamrock as well. We would also like to fight for the title. There is no doubt we will get to do all three; we just need to have patience and then we will have success.

As for Elite – this is our home. We are excited to be part of Elite, CBS and Showtime. We are proud to be part of one of fastest-growing and best backed promotions in the world. We are proud to be part of a show that treats their fighters with love and respect and is not afraid to let their fighters compete outside the boundaries. Elite is also not afraid to give fighters the opportunity to develop and grow as athletes and entertainers. Elite has a growing network of mid-level and developmental shows that are bringing up true up-and-coming talent that will provide the bedrock of the sport for a long time to come.

I know a lot of people want to dog on Elite; but these same people would have an MMA world where no more then a dozen guys were making a living wage. People who think the real world should run just like it does on their PlayStation. But this is a complicated, difficult business for every side of the equation. For the fighters, promoters and everyone else involved. As a camp we have to negotiate, posture, bully, push, plead to get our share of the love. But at the end of the day we are Elite.

As for Oct 4th; that was our spot. Shamrock with his name and giant ego butted in line to get a slice of Kevin. At 103 years of age Ken usurped our rightful place against the YouTube champ. Our sincerest hope is that Ken whips Kimbo and then we can finally euthanize the “World’s Most Dangerous Man” and relegate him to some MMA dinosaur exhibit. Maybe taxidermy him and Severn and place them on a rotating pedestal where they can endless circle each other.

If Ken proves to be more sham then rock and Fergi beats him, then the Slice hype grows even greater. Dude is already more myth then Sasquatch, Chupacabra and a fucking unicorn combined. Kevin is the black Yeti.

Caught between a Shamrock and a hard place, Kevin has chosen the old over the new; the past over the future. But Fergi… the hard place is coming. By putting us off, making us wait will only make matters worse. There is nothing business about it anymore. Kimbo made it a point to go frontin’ to our boys at Big Black. But that street thug B.S. might work well with the fan bois and the Internet dorks who think your street cred means something; but Son… Brett comes from Cabrini Green; the worst 12 blocks of America. Compared to that your street is Sesame Street. So you can say it is very personal between Brett and Fergi. So go ahead and make us wait while you fight Tank and Shamrock. Hell, why not fight Hackney, Harold Howard, Fred Ettish and the rest of Jurassic MMA? And while your shuckin’ and duckin’ we will be hustlin’ and muscilin’ and when the bell finally tolls the only real question left is … do you wake up looking at canvas or arena lights?

On behalf of Brett Rogers – Team Bison
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Frank says Ken will beat Kimbo

by: Jason Perkins

Frank and Ken Shamrock aren't exactly close. The two brothers have never gotten along that well and since the death of their adopted father the rift has grown.

"Ken and I are just two different people," said Frank Shamrock. "We don't really have (a relationship), we never have. After Bob (Shamrock) passed there was some resentment there on his part.

"But, I've never had a heart to heart conversation with the guy. He was never available and I was never a good communicator. We were too guys that never got past working out together. It's totally bizarre. I know more about the guys I train with today than I've ever known about Ken. I think when we were younger Ken was a very closed off dude and I wasn't a good communicator. Now, that's changed for me and Ken's changed as well but we never grew together."

The brothers may lack a personal relationship but what they do have is a mutual respect forged through hard work and intense battles in the cage.

"After I fought professionally our relationship changed and it changed for the better," said Frank Shamrock. "He definitely showed me more respect and my level of acknowledgment and support from him changed. That's when I first felt that I was his brother, after I fought."

Recently Frank, now a color commentator for CBS/EliteXC events, was asked his opinion on his brothers upcoming fight against Kimbo Slice; and though his brother has dropped his past five fights, Frank still believes that Ken Shamrock has what it takes to roll out another victory in his legendary MMA career.

"Ken has 10 times Kimbo's ability, so if he can get just 10 percent of that, and he's focused, he can beat him," Frank Shamrock told Kevin Iole. "If not, he's going to get clubbed horribly upside the head and fall down, all scary looking."

http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/828/frank_shamrock_341139.shtml