ok fine he may have escaped but how did he survive the knife wound? shit was in and twisted. and when he was fighting to get the bomb he looked half dead already. sorry but i just dont see him patching himself up (considering he couldnt do a good job in TDK) after that wound. if he survived fine, just means another plothole.
** Official Batman 3 - The Dark Knight Rises Thread**
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I just left the theater. Im still digesting what I saw but what I do know is this is the kind of movie that makes me LOVE going to the movies lol. There was a lot of depth of the movie and hella details. There are some loose ends of course but I went in expecting that.
All in all I thought it was great...
But to weigh in on the movie... Bruce Wayne is DEAD hah...simple as that. The had his funeral and everything...know as far as BATMAN....who knows?
I hope that if they do another movie it will be a Batman Beyond kind of storyline....that shit would be raw..plus they could have a new "Joker" and do it safely.
All in all I thought it was great...
But to weigh in on the movie... Bruce Wayne is DEAD hah...simple as that. The had his funeral and everything...know as far as BATMAN....who knows?
I hope that if they do another movie it will be a Batman Beyond kind of storyline....that shit would be raw..plus they could have a new "Joker" and do it safely.
Also the Bat was considered a prototype. unless i'm wrong a prototype is just one product that isnt finalized yet. and if there was more then why was wayne driving the prototype version? jut another plothole if there was in fact more bats
i may be looking too deep into this but thats how i am with movies and this shit seems right out in the open. kinda like breadcrumbs for people who want to have batman dead at the end.
i may be looking too deep into this but thats how i am with movies and this shit seems right out in the open. kinda like breadcrumbs for people who want to have batman dead at the end.
One thing to keep in mind is that the movie jumped around in time alot. There would have been some time where Fox could have had at least one more vehicle built...just like the Tumbler.
I think the movie was designed this way just to leave open more lanes for other writers/directors to pick up. But honestly...I wouldnt want to see anyone else do these movies other then Nolan. He kept the mood and tone sharp all the way through the trilogy and if anyone makes another Bat movie he needs to be involved IMO.
I think the movie was designed this way just to leave open more lanes for other writers/directors to pick up. But honestly...I wouldnt want to see anyone else do these movies other then Nolan. He kept the mood and tone sharp all the way through the trilogy and if anyone makes another Bat movie he needs to be involved IMO.
Just got done seeing it. Movie was fucking awesome. Not gonna go in depth cause I'm too tired but when it comes to film making, Nolan IMO is the absolute best; one of the best ever. And let's not forget about Zimmer who is fucking great at what he does. The music in Nolan's films plays a pretty big role in adding to the drama. And I actually like the voice manipulation for both characters. I think it adds a nice element to the films. My only problem with it is that it's sometimes hard to make out what they're saying especially with Bane. My initial reaction was that TDK was better, but idk they're both outstanding. Great, great movie.
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I agree with Y @YoungAssault that there wasn't much ambiguity to the ending. There was the obvious part when Fox talks about the presence of the auto-pilot and it was implied that Batman fixed it, but there are 2 other points of interest.
1. When Catwoman asked if he was going to fly the bomb out there himself, didn't he actually tell her he was going to use the auto-pilot? I know he said something about it.
2. Then when JGL's character received the bag left to him in the will (I think that's what it was for...) inside were the coordinates to the batcave. I suppose he could have done that before the war, but it seems more likely that he did it after the fact.
I really don't think Batman died. As far as the knife wound, people get shot in the head in real life and live. Even if her training was such that she knew where to stab someone to kill then, you have to consider her options were limited to only the locations the suit would allow for puncture. in the first film it states that the suit would stop a knife. She must have targeted an obvious weak point. And then of course he was seen at the table.
one more thing - I don't think "Robin" would be able to cut it on his own. It's pretty clear that Batman and Bane had extensive training which allows them to do what they do. Robin is just a cop and wouldn't be able to hack it without at least the training of Batman.
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I agree with Y @YoungAssault that there wasn't much ambiguity to the ending. There was the obvious part when Fox talks about the presence of the auto-pilot and it was implied that Batman fixed it, but there are 2 other points of interest.
1. When Catwoman asked if he was going to fly the bomb out there himself, didn't he actually tell her he was going to use the auto-pilot? I know he said something about it.
2. Then when JGL's character received the bag left to him in the will (I think that's what it was for...) inside were the coordinates to the batcave. I suppose he could have done that before the war, but it seems more likely that he did it after the fact.
I really don't think Batman died. As far as the knife wound, people get shot in the head in real life and live. Even if her training was such that she knew where to stab someone to kill then, you have to consider her options were limited to only the locations the suit would allow for puncture. in the first film it states that the suit would stop a knife. She must have targeted an obvious weak point. And then of course he was seen at the table.
one more thing - I don't think "Robin" would be able to cut it on his own. It's pretty clear that Batman and Bane had extensive training which allows them to do what they do. Robin is just a cop and wouldn't be able to hack it without at least the training of Batman.
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That's also a good point as far as when Batman was seen in the bat and how close it was to when the explosion happened. There was a part in the movie when they said there was like 23 days left until the bomb detonated and then it wasn't more then a couple of scenes later it was 12 hours left.
That's also a good point as far as when Batman was seen in the bat and how close it was to when the explosion happened. There was a part in the movie when they said there was like 23 days left until the bomb detonated and then it wasn't more then a couple of scenes later it was 12 hours left.
I watched it twice in the theater and didnt here any mention of autopilot when catwomen asked what he was going to do with the bomb. In the 1st batman the suit did hold up well against knives but the suit was changed in the 2nd and Fox mentioned it was weak against knives and gunfire. he even thought dogs can go through it easily.
It's Nolan at it's finest IMO. they put all the things in place almost too easily to make him seem alive but after really looking into it it just seems like plotholes and why would they be there unless he wanted it to be open for discussion. just like Inception where it could be he's home or dreaming. when really looking into it it's 100% obvious he's still dreaming but it takes that little extra to notice why it's that outcome.
I think Nolan is an amazing Director and thats the main reason i think Wayne truley died. if he survived then there's too many plotholes and things that dont add up (in other words sloppy) and Nolan is known for never doing these types of things. I know things jump around but it was setup perfect for him to be dead aswell. just my opinion.
It's Nolan at it's finest IMO. they put all the things in place almost too easily to make him seem alive but after really looking into it it just seems like plotholes and why would they be there unless he wanted it to be open for discussion. just like Inception where it could be he's home or dreaming. when really looking into it it's 100% obvious he's still dreaming but it takes that little extra to notice why it's that outcome.
I think Nolan is an amazing Director and thats the main reason i think Wayne truley died. if he survived then there's too many plotholes and things that dont add up (in other words sloppy) and Nolan is known for never doing these types of things. I know things jump around but it was setup perfect for him to be dead aswell. just my opinion.
Just recalled a plothole...Bane states that he spent the first part of life in the darkness...implying that he was born in, or at least was sent into the hole at a young age. But from what we saw he was at least a teenager when the child was in there and it was stated that only one child was ever born in there.
Basically was said so that we all think Bane is the child, not sure if it is really a hole in the story though.
Wayne is definitely alive at the end. Alfred would have absolutely NO reason to envision Bruce being in France with the chick that stole his jewelry.
Basically was said so that we all think Bane is the child, not sure if it is really a hole in the story though.
Wayne is definitely alive at the end. Alfred would have absolutely NO reason to envision Bruce being in France with the chick that stole his jewelry.
It never stated one child was born there, but only one child escaped there. he could've been born there easily or could've been born into crime which was why he was there i assume. it never mentions how long he was in the pit.
Yeah sure it is anne hathaway but in that scene she never fully looks towards alfred and she's out of focus and the focus is more on Wayne. again just another reason to give fans what they want wether it's death or life.
Yeah sure it is anne hathaway but in that scene she never fully looks towards alfred and she's out of focus and the focus is more on Wayne. again just another reason to give fans what they want wether it's death or life.
Like i said, maybe he did just go in as a child or there was more than 1 child born there. I was just pointing out something they had in the movie that helped fuel the idea that Bane was the child that escaped.
She's not 100% in focus because the focus is obviously about Bruce, but it is definitely her.
She's not 100% in focus because the focus is obviously about Bruce, but it is definitely her.
Are you sure about that? I believe Catwoman told him to eject from the plane over the water and he told her he couldn't because the auto-pilot was broken. Only we found out at the end he had fixed the auto-pilot. It's pretty straight forward.
I think you're reaching and/or want to believe he is dead. And you have Inception all wrong. It is completely ambiguous and certainly not 100% obvious in either direction. I'm not going to argue what happened in that movie because that is not the point, but to say the ending to Inception was "100% obvious" is to contradict the very sentiment that Nolan is great at leaving the endings of these films open to interpretation.
There are only plotholes the moment you refuse to suspend disbelief. And if you are going to do that at all, you might as well turn the movie off after the first wall he kicks through.
I think you're reaching and/or want to believe he is dead. And you have Inception all wrong. It is completely ambiguous and certainly not 100% obvious in either direction. I'm not going to argue what happened in that movie because that is not the point, but to say the ending to Inception was "100% obvious" is to contradict the very sentiment that Nolan is great at leaving the endings of these films open to interpretation.
There are only plotholes the moment you refuse to suspend disbelief. And if you are going to do that at all, you might as well turn the movie off after the first wall he kicks through.