NW rappers usually sell what?
- Thread starter Young E.A.S.T
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Yeah, you know, I use to be one of those people. I use to buy albums JUST to support cats. But you know what? My money is worth more than that to be honest. Like I said, I use to hit up shows and buy CD's, after hearing people do their sets. I've learned 2 things from this, 1) some artists are better at live shows and 2) just cause they might be good live, doesn't mean the CD is good.
I remember getting what I think was a "Central Intelligence" album, I can't remember if that's their name or not...but something like that, I saw them perform at I-Spy before it got shut down or whatever, and they were decent, and dude asked me if I wanted an album so I got one for about $5. It was not worth my $5 cause I listened to it one time, and now I don't know or care where it is.
But it's been said...some artists suck, some don't know how to relate, and some just don't know how to market/promote. If there was a collective entity where we could gather and actually put things together, that might help, but I don't see it happening. We have a lot of folks on this board (NW) that have great ideas, and would be dedicated to seeing those ideas be made into reality...we have a lot of knowledge, but everyone wants to "do it on their own so they can become rich" or some stupid wanna-be rapper American dream BULLSHIT like that.
The reality is 98% of artists (rappers) in Seattle will probably never sell more than 5,000 albums. And more than likely, about 95% of artists won't be heard outside of this state. It's mostly their fault, lack of dedication and hustle, and common sense....you HAVE to market and promote...and most people don't do it the RIGHT way....maybe I should start a marketing agency/advertising agency, or I could just continue telling people what they should be doing on here, FOR FREE...but why? Nobody is taking anything that ANYONE says into account, otherwise, most of the stuff we are STILL talking about 5 years later, would have been handled by now.
There are about 5-10 artists in the NW that have potential to do well with mass audiences because they can relate and put together music for everyone (Neema comes to mind with his last album), and that's it. Most people make music for themselves and their homies, which is cool, but it's usually not going to make you $$, and it won't get you a wide range of fans, which is what artists need to make money from their music.
Not to mention venues in Seattle are SHITTAAAAAAAAY....like Chop Suey, that place is fucking TINY and smells real bad when it's about half full.
I remember getting what I think was a "Central Intelligence" album, I can't remember if that's their name or not...but something like that, I saw them perform at I-Spy before it got shut down or whatever, and they were decent, and dude asked me if I wanted an album so I got one for about $5. It was not worth my $5 cause I listened to it one time, and now I don't know or care where it is.
But it's been said...some artists suck, some don't know how to relate, and some just don't know how to market/promote. If there was a collective entity where we could gather and actually put things together, that might help, but I don't see it happening. We have a lot of folks on this board (NW) that have great ideas, and would be dedicated to seeing those ideas be made into reality...we have a lot of knowledge, but everyone wants to "do it on their own so they can become rich" or some stupid wanna-be rapper American dream BULLSHIT like that.
The reality is 98% of artists (rappers) in Seattle will probably never sell more than 5,000 albums. And more than likely, about 95% of artists won't be heard outside of this state. It's mostly their fault, lack of dedication and hustle, and common sense....you HAVE to market and promote...and most people don't do it the RIGHT way....maybe I should start a marketing agency/advertising agency, or I could just continue telling people what they should be doing on here, FOR FREE...but why? Nobody is taking anything that ANYONE says into account, otherwise, most of the stuff we are STILL talking about 5 years later, would have been handled by now.
There are about 5-10 artists in the NW that have potential to do well with mass audiences because they can relate and put together music for everyone (Neema comes to mind with his last album), and that's it. Most people make music for themselves and their homies, which is cool, but it's usually not going to make you $$, and it won't get you a wide range of fans, which is what artists need to make money from their music.
Not to mention venues in Seattle are SHITTAAAAAAAAY....like Chop Suey, that place is fucking TINY and smells real bad when it's about half full.
my 2 cents:
the game would be a lot better if every rapper didnt try to start their own record label. it seems like actually being a tight rapper is the last priority nowadays and its fucking the game up. im tired of running into this:
"whatup mang, my name is (insert unoriginal "gangsta" name with lil' or young in front of it), check out my album coming out on (insert purposely misspelled crime-related adjective or slang) records, its that CRACK! plus we got the dvd coming, the clothing line, the rim shop, my homie's album, HIS homie's album, his homie's HOMIE'S album, etc."
focus on making good music. period. if youre just using rap as your hustle and dont have a real love for the music, STOP. not only is it an insult to the game, but the independent grind out here is not get rich easy.
the game would be a lot better if every rapper didnt try to start their own record label. it seems like actually being a tight rapper is the last priority nowadays and its fucking the game up. im tired of running into this:
"whatup mang, my name is (insert unoriginal "gangsta" name with lil' or young in front of it), check out my album coming out on (insert purposely misspelled crime-related adjective or slang) records, its that CRACK! plus we got the dvd coming, the clothing line, the rim shop, my homie's album, HIS homie's album, his homie's HOMIE'S album, etc."
focus on making good music. period. if youre just using rap as your hustle and dont have a real love for the music, STOP. not only is it an insult to the game, but the independent grind out here is not get rich easy.
When I was in Washington my the only problem I had trying to sale a cd was everybody raps. I guess whaen you rap you dont buy other rappers shit. I support other rappers that I see out there grinding. I copt jay barz album cauze every where I was pushing he was pushing so I copt his album. Thats just me I guess. Down south when a artist comes out with a cd other artist go buy like 5 copies just to show support. That I rap to is bullshit.
This is how shit should go,I rap to but let see what you got. If that shit has a cover wrapt and looks like money been put into it buy that shit. Every thing will come back to you. You never know that cat miight blow and see you at one of his shows and invite you to mingle with the stars and show you a good time. Show love and get love back. Fuck sales cats need to worry about showing love and get love back if they wont any thing to crack.
Come one come all thats how shit works now dayz
This is how shit should go,I rap to but let see what you got. If that shit has a cover wrapt and looks like money been put into it buy that shit. Every thing will come back to you. You never know that cat miight blow and see you at one of his shows and invite you to mingle with the stars and show you a good time. Show love and get love back. Fuck sales cats need to worry about showing love and get love back if they wont any thing to crack.
Come one come all thats how shit works now dayz
When I was in Washington my the only problem I had trying to sale a cd was everybody raps. I guess whaen you rap you dont buy other rappers shit. I support other rappers that I see out there grinding. I copt jay barz album cauze every where I was pushing he was pushing so I copt his album. Thats just me I guess. Down south when a artist comes out with a cd other artist go buy like 5 copies just to show support. That I rap to is bullshit.
This is how shit should go,I rap to but let see what you got. If that shit has a cover wrapt and looks like money been put into it buy that shit. Every thing will come back to you. You never know that cat miight blow and see you at one of his shows and invite you to mingle with the stars and show you a good time. Show love and get love back. Fuck sales cats need to worry about showing love and get love back if they wont any thing to crack.
Come one come all thats how shit works now dayz
This is how shit should go,I rap to but let see what you got. If that shit has a cover wrapt and looks like money been put into it buy that shit. Every thing will come back to you. You never know that cat miight blow and see you at one of his shows and invite you to mingle with the stars and show you a good time. Show love and get love back. Fuck sales cats need to worry about showing love and get love back if they wont any thing to crack.
Come one come all thats how shit works now dayz
Like you said, to each their own... a lot of people think Neema Sucks... but there's a lot of people who are feelin' his music. One thing I've noticed about Neema, is he doesn't give up. He's been pushing real hard to move his product AND increase the quality of product he puts out.
It's physics, the more people you expose to your music, the more poeple will like your music. Unfortunately, the more people will dislike your music in the process.
It's physics, the more people you expose to your music, the more poeple will like your music. Unfortunately, the more people will dislike your music in the process.
my testimento. To all the artist: Every time I see my brotherun. I always tell them to explore the world like Dora. I feel like im like Patrick Star from sponge bob. you gotta explore. you get great ideas, you see other community open mics, and it also challenge's you. I feel like music is like theory. Maby you heard this story before, "you put a fish in a bowl", it be a same size. "you put the fish in a dam lake", fish is doin it real BIG. I heard many good comments in this forum. I disagree on chumping off an artist, or their work ethics. But the challenge is, who wanna be like Tom Hank @ the airport to go and touch the world.
Wit my options and my optionals, i love hip-hop in WA, but i also love Boise, NY, LA, PO, SC, NC, Columbus, Lafayetteville, Huntsville Alabama, NJ, Philly, Atl, New Orleans, even Prison....(that was the best show ever, they loved me in there, and one dude jus got out for a 10 yr bid and he seen me at the contour, " and he was like maaan you was that dude who was performing at my prison"... "and he bought my new album". Look at it like this, the world need to hear you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wit my options and my optionals, i love hip-hop in WA, but i also love Boise, NY, LA, PO, SC, NC, Columbus, Lafayetteville, Huntsville Alabama, NJ, Philly, Atl, New Orleans, even Prison....(that was the best show ever, they loved me in there, and one dude jus got out for a 10 yr bid and he seen me at the contour, " and he was like maaan you was that dude who was performing at my prison"... "and he bought my new album". Look at it like this, the world need to hear you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Need a full on advertising campaign with a lay out of the densest area of your fan base? I put together one for Mo-X and Lil' G, but it was for an advertising course I was in, but it turned out well, and my prof that has his own ad agency said they'd be lucky to have the campaign I made. I'm not tryin to brag, but to be honest, it would help give a lot of people direction, some people need it more than others.
That and I'm probably more organized when I need to be than 90% of the people "helping" these artists trying to come up. I HATE sitting back and watching people with talent waste their time. Most people don't even think about marketing or advertising when they put out an album. If all you get is fliers, you haven't made that much progress.
Just for shits and giggles, how many times have I, myself, PERSONALLY, offered FREE advertising or something for artists ONLY in the NW? Gee, well, I offered a FREE music video, a FREE, advertising campaign, and then another free video, as well FREE NATIONWIDE AND INTERNATIONAL advertising through music videos on cell phones through a company my homey use to work for in LA.
NOBODY takes the opportunity. I mean, I got shafted on a video by 2 Seattle artists, so at the last fucking minute, I called my homey that was sleeping to help me out cause he raps on the side cause it's his hobby type thing. Now, when you call me about 5 hours before you're supposed to be in front of me telling me you can't make it cause of gas or a ride, and you've had a MONTH to think about it and organize, I'm going to think you're a piece of shit, which is what I think about the artist that did that.
Just goes to show, people don't take this shit SERIOUSLY. People might think it's a "small" favor or that they are doing me a favor (not the case, they just have HUGE egos), but that's BULLSHIT...The ONLY place I EVER post ANY information about FREE things that I can offer is THIS NW FORUM. Nowhere else. I might as well just take my favors and connects elsewhere to where people actually appreciate it or take the opportunity to do something with what I've given them for nothing in return.
Yeah, this was a few years back...how many albums does CI have? I don't know which one I got...nor do I really care..
That's weak shit, I wouldn't support cats like that. Although, giving your homey a free CD is different than fans getting them for free...I get CDs for free a lot, or at least a lot of the ones I have I got free...
That and I'm probably more organized when I need to be than 90% of the people "helping" these artists trying to come up. I HATE sitting back and watching people with talent waste their time. Most people don't even think about marketing or advertising when they put out an album. If all you get is fliers, you haven't made that much progress.
Just for shits and giggles, how many times have I, myself, PERSONALLY, offered FREE advertising or something for artists ONLY in the NW? Gee, well, I offered a FREE music video, a FREE, advertising campaign, and then another free video, as well FREE NATIONWIDE AND INTERNATIONAL advertising through music videos on cell phones through a company my homey use to work for in LA.
NOBODY takes the opportunity. I mean, I got shafted on a video by 2 Seattle artists, so at the last fucking minute, I called my homey that was sleeping to help me out cause he raps on the side cause it's his hobby type thing. Now, when you call me about 5 hours before you're supposed to be in front of me telling me you can't make it cause of gas or a ride, and you've had a MONTH to think about it and organize, I'm going to think you're a piece of shit, which is what I think about the artist that did that.
Just goes to show, people don't take this shit SERIOUSLY. People might think it's a "small" favor or that they are doing me a favor (not the case, they just have HUGE egos), but that's BULLSHIT...The ONLY place I EVER post ANY information about FREE things that I can offer is THIS NW FORUM. Nowhere else. I might as well just take my favors and connects elsewhere to where people actually appreciate it or take the opportunity to do something with what I've given them for nothing in return.
Yeah, this was a few years back...how many albums does CI have? I don't know which one I got...nor do I really care..
That's weak shit, I wouldn't support cats like that. Although, giving your homey a free CD is different than fans getting them for free...I get CDs for free a lot, or at least a lot of the ones I have I got free...
