Not Religious? Well then...

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Care to explain?

No explanation is needed...its almost common sense as far as religion goes.

 

[m.w.merlino]

i believe in energy, collective consciousness, and the soul.

 

[ThaG]

i believe in energy, collective consciousness, and the soul.

1. What is energy according to you?

2. What is "collective consciousness"?

2. What is "soul"?

You believe in the latter two based on what?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

No explanation is needed...its almost common sense as far as religion goes.

What is almost common sense?

 

[NovaFire]

the way i see it, agnostics admit that there is no 100% percent way to prove god exist. and really what it comes down to is faith. agnostics hang in between faith and disbelieve.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

There are strict agnostics who hold that God could never be proven to exist or not exist and there are other agnostics who simply don't think God has been proven to exist or not exist.

 

[NZTECHFAN]

what would new age religion fall under?

 

[Ethereal]

That has nothing to say about whether God exists or not, you are simply positing that such a thing exists and we can't comprehend it. Does this means it really exists? Not at all, we just made it up out of thin air and defined it in such a way that it is immune to any evidence.

I was not trying to convince you or any other person on here that God exists. I am stating my position on God/religion and where it lands on a scale of Agnosticism-Theism.

That's what every reasonable person will tell you

Okay.

Why should it be more logical? And if you accept this, where did the designer come from? A designer is no explanation for complexity because he himself must be very complex

Because I do not believe (scientifically) that you can create matter where absolutely no matter exists, without supernatural phenomenon. Where did the designer come from? I stated: I do not think that our minds can comprehend something that great/complex. It is beyond the scope of even the greatest imagination.

 

[ThaG]

That's not a satisfactory answer

What you say is essentially another version of the "God did it, no need to do science" statement. If we all were thinking like this, of course we would never understand the universe.

What evidence do you have that there is something that great and complex that we can't understand it? Absolutely none. It is a very fine example of circular reasoning:

Theologian: "God is that that is so great that we can not comprehend it"
Scientists: "Where is the evidence that God exists"
Theologian: "Well, he is incomprehensible so there is no way you can demand evidence"

LOL...

 

[Ethereal]

What you say is essentially another version of the "God did it, no need to do science" statement. If we all were thinking like this, of course we would never understand the universe.

A science journal filled with "most likely..", "quite possibly..", "in all likelihood..", "it appears..", "what could be..", "some believe..", is no more satisfactory, unfortunately.

What evidence do you have that there is something that great and complex that we can't understand it? Absolutely none. It is a very fine example of circular reasoning:

Theologian: "God is that that is so great that we can not comprehend it"
Scientists: "Where is the evidence that God exists"
Theologian: "Well, he is incomprehensible so there is no way you can demand evidence"

What is there to say about someone who asks and then (assumptively) answers their own questions? Nothing good I would imagine.

 

[HERESY]

What is there to say about someone who asks and then (assumptively) answers their own questions? Nothing good I would imagine.

There is a term for this type of person as well as their behavior, and trust me, it usually isn't 'good'.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

What is almost common sense?

What is this, NASCAR? Lets stop making left turns here, please. I dont like going in circles.

 

[ThaG]

A science journal filled with "most likely..", "quite possibly..", "in all likelihood..", "it appears..", "what could be..", "some believe..", is no more satisfactory, unfortunately.

This is the language scientists use and it usually has a meaning quite different from the meaning assigned to it in everyday communication (each of the words you cite has a much stronger meaning when used in scientific communication). That's why the primary literature generally is not intended for the laymen. But what is more important is that there is a reason why such words are used and it is that scientists do not aim at giving people "the truth", their goal is to actually understand the phenomena they study. And since it is only after many repeated observations supporting something that this something is declared true, and even then it is totally open to reexamining and rejection if new evidence forces us to do so, these type of words are used in the scientific literature when new findings are announced.

Contrast this to the alternative method for "discovering truth", revelation, and you will see why one of these methods has been so successful and the other fails so miserably basically everywhere.

However, the successful method requires a great amount of effort to be mastered and applied, while the "alternative" is easy to grasp and very comforting, so it is clear what the dumbfucks' choice is

What is there to say about someone who asks and then (assumptively) answers their own questions? Nothing good I would imagine.

If we don't ask questions that we then answer how are we going to make progress?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

What is this, NASCAR? Lets stop making left turns here, please. I dont like going in circles.

I'm just asking questions, hoping that you'll explain your position. When you say "it" is common sense, I don't know what the "it" is. It should be quite simple for you to explain your position since it is you who holds it. We don't have to go in circles. I am just following you.

 

[ThaG]

they apply to many of you

http://bobbie-the-jean.deviantart.com/journal/23586617/

50 Reasons I Reject Evolution

1.) Because I don’t like the idea that we came from apes… despite that humans are categorically defined and classified as apes.

2.) Because I’m too stupid and/or lazy to open a fucking book or turn on the Discovery Science Channel.

3.) Because if I can’t immediately understand how something works, then it must be bullshit.

4.) Because I don’t care that literally 99.9% of all biologists accept evolution as the unifying theory of biology.

5.) Because I prefer the theory that a (insert god of choice) went ALLA-KADABRA-ZAM MOTHAH-FUCKAHS!!!

6.) Because I can’t get it through my thick logic-proof skull that evolution refers ONLY to the process of speciation, not to abiogenesis, or planet formation, or big bang cosmology, or whether God exists, or where they buried Jimmy Hoffa, or why the sky is blue, or how many licks it takes to get to the center of a fucking Tootsie Pop.

7.) Because the fossil record doesn’t comprise the remains of every single living thing that ever existed on this 4.5 billion year old planet, even though fossilization is a rare process that only occurs under very specific circumstances.

8.) Because science has yet to produce any transitional species… except for the magnitudinous numbers of them found in the fossil record which don’t count because… I uh, OOH LOOK! A SHINY OBJECT!!! *runs away*

9.) Because I know nothing about Darwin except that he had a funny beard.

10.) Because the theory of evolution (which, according to scientists, perfectly explains the richness and diversity of life on Earth) contradicts biblical literalism… ya know, flat Earth with a firmament that keeps out the water, talking snakes, people rising from the dead, bats are birds, flamey talking bushes, virgin births, food appearing out of nowhere, massive bodies of water turning into blood… etc etc.

11.) Because I think the word “theory” actually means “random stabs in the dark” when it really means: a large body of facts describing certain phenomena i.e. atomic theory, gravitational theory, germ theory, cell theory, etc.

12.) Because the fact that science is self-correcting annoys me. Most of my other beliefs are rigidly fixed and uncorrectable.

13.) Because I am under the severely mistaken impression that evolution implies someone in my very recent ancestry was a chimp.

14.) Because everything appears designed to my mind which was expertly tuned by nature to perceive design, probably as a survival mechanism.

15.) Because some secretly fabulous closet-dwelling televangelist (who unironically preaches hate towards gays) told me that evolution is Satan’s way of leading me away from God.

16.) Because that same guy (who was also caught snorting blow off a male hooker’s shiny naked ass) told me that God planted those fossils to test my faith.

17.) Because I’m 100% correct about everything 100% of the time and there is 0% chance that some snooty Oxford educated scientist with numerous honorary doctorates could possibly know something that I don’t.

18.) Because I don’t know that fossils are found in sedimentary strata corresponding to their age as one would expect if evolution were true.

19.) Because I don’t understand why, if we share common ancestry with chimps, there are still chimps. And when someone with more than three brain cells in their head inevitably replies: “for the same reason Americans share common ancestry with Brits but there are still Brits, I can’t follow the logic. It’s just too big a leap. Who am I, Evil Knievel?

20.) Because my mom dropped me on my head when I was a baby.

21.) Multiple times.

22.) On purpose.

23.) Because the idea that life evolved naturally over billions of years is infinitely less believable than the idea that an 800 year old man crammed two of every species into a giant wooden boat when the entire planet flooded, an event for which there is absolutely no geological evidence whatsoever and also makes no fucking sense at all.

24.) Because Jesus totally rode around on a fucking t-rex. He’s just that badassed. And also, did you know that t-rexes were vegetarians? Ken Ham says so and I believe it.

25.) Because I don’t realize that saying “microevolution is possible but macroevolution isn’t” is as stupid as saying “I can pick my nose for one second but I cannot pick it for 10 seconds.”

26.) Because the education system failed me miserably.

27.) …and then took a big wet dump on my face.

28.) Because I think that knowing how nature works magically obliterates all of its beauty.

29.) Because I didn’t know that evolution has been tested and observed in laboratories.

30.) Because when confronted with that, I refuse to believe it. It’s obviously a scientific conspiracy aimed at turning everyone on the planet into atheists... even though evolution says nothing about god's nature nor whether he, she, it, or they exist.

31.) Because I’m too stupid to realize that Social Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution and is actually a pseudo-scientific bastardization that real science largely rejects.

32.) Because the planet and all the life on it was designed for humans… kinda like how the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY was designed specifically for the dust-bunnies that may accumulate on the floors.

33.) Because I don’t realize that if we actually found croco-ducks in the fossil record, it would falsify evolution.

34.) Because plenty of respectable people like Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (who are not scientists) don’t accept evolution, and that somehow validates my opinion.

35.) Because my mother didn’t know not to drink while she was pregnant. She also didn’t know not to repeatedly throw herself down a flight of stairs in an attempt to undo the accident of screwing someone who voted for Bush both times.

36.) Because I don’t know that “irreducible complexity” has been debunked a frazillion times by a frazillion different people and is no more credible an argument than “NEEN-er NEEN-er NEEN-er, I’m right and you’re wrong.”

37.) Because I have never seen a duck evolve into a cat over night, despite the fact that such a thing would be contrary to all known scientific disciplines.

38.) Because I have no imagination, learning is too much effort, I don’t like proven facts, change scares me, and I think deoxyribonucleic acid is something I’m supposed to clean my bathroom floors with.

39.) Because evolution means that I absolutely MUST reject everything else I know, abandon all my beliefs, and start aping around my house like a fucking monkey. OOOh-ooohh-ooohohh -OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!

40.) Because I haven’t put my cave on the market and moved into the 21st century yet. I’m waiting for the cave market to rebound from the recent financial meltdown.

41.) Because I don’t know what an atavism is and if you told me, I still wouldn't believe it. Too weird.

42.) Because I don’t know that evolution explains methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus and also provides the answer in preventing it from turning into a superbug and killing massive numbers of people.

43.) Because I don’t know that evolution is routinely used in medicine to diagnose and treat certain illnesses such as genetic ailments, bacterial infections, and viral infections.

44.) Because I believe there is a strong comparison between designed inanimate objects such as buildings, paintings, and watches (which we know were pieced together from identifiable components by human beings) and living organisms (which reproduce with genetic variation under the effects of environmental attrition).

45.) Because I see no significant similarities between humans and apes. *scratches my ass-crack then smells my fingers*

46.) Because I think I’m too special to have been crafted by any natural process and the entire planet, solar system, galaxy, and universe were created with me especially in mind.

47.) Because I unquestioningly swallow the ignorant anti-science bullshit spewed directly from the fraudulent stupid asses of people like Ken Ham, Ted Haggard, Fred Phelps, and Kent Hovind.

48.) Because I’m a freethinker and freethinking really means ignoring anything that contradicts what I already believe.

49.) Because I don’t know what confirmation bias is.

50.) Because despite the fact that in all my years of life, I have never seen any magic, I still believe magic is the answer to anything I don’t immediately comprehend.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Quod erat demonstrandum, I fucking win. Take that you EVILutionists!

 

[HERESY]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

 

[taetae]

Bad sense of "humor"...

 

[Foul Mouth]

My main objection to religion is clear; why would a god create a world, inhabit this world with life of far inferior intelligence, and expect that this life (humans) will inexplicably discover everything about it (God) without any instruction. Why would you not make your presence known, eliminating all doubt and allowing humans to freely and conciously choose. Why test the very fabric of your creation? It is truly demoralizing. Just reveal yourself to me and I will do whatever you say.. But you leave us to stare down a thousand variants of the Bible and expect that we come to some rational conclusion. I am still waiting on this epiphany.

cus that god dont exist............

i know this much, i dont want a god that will only let me into heaven if i believe in him while he put me out here with a variety of optional gods being praised and enough intelligence to not believe everything i hear and to look at things logically.and i dont want a god that gave me such intelligence to not believe in the other gods tell me i have to believe in him or he will let me burn in hell...........thats not a cool god imo...........


and i dont want a god that makes thou shall not kill a commandment then goes out and kills every first born child...........

 

[thatguy]

its quite the other way around, for me its like, i believe in some type of creator, but i dont believe any religion is special enough to truly figure that creator out to the extent they claim they have. in other words, i believe in a higher power, i just dont believe i have to go to church, act like a moron and sing songs to this creator so he will send me a job promotion and a nice life

 

[Ethereal]

This is the language scientists use and it usually has a meaning quite different from the meaning assigned to it in everyday communication (each of the words you cite has a much stronger meaning when used in scientific communication). That's why the primary literature generally is not intended for the laymen. But what is more important is that there is a reason why such words are used and it is that scientists do not aim at giving people "the truth", their goal is to actually understand the phenomena they study. And since it is only after many repeated observations supporting something that this something is declared true, and even then it is totally open to reexamining and rejection if new evidence forces us to do so, these type of words are used in the scientific literature when new findings are announced.

It's called skepticism. It is supplying the best possible answer because the truth is unknown, and simply saying "We don't know" is not applicable. You, trying to explain to the best of your ability why the language is used, is rationalization, typical is the scientist/science junkie. You might have well just said "They probably speak that way because..."

If we don't ask questions that we then answer how are we going to make progress?

There is a big difference between the following:

What is 2 + 2? 4!

What is 2 + 2? You don't know!

One is very counterproductive.