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PoLLo LoC831

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IF I WAS A NINER FAN I'D BE MAD AT WARNER. HE JERKED YALL CHAINS.
HERE'S AN ARTICLE FROM SI.COM BASHING THE SHIT OUT THE NINERS FRONT OFFICE:

Court Warner? QB chase magnifies ineptitude of the Niners front office

As he made his way through the 49ers' training complex Monday, free-agent quarterback Kurt Warner told a member of the organization that his heart was a two-hour plane ride away in Phoenix. The admission didn't come as a surprise. Even before Warner boarded a private jet for the ride from Arizona to Northern California, the football world knew he wanted to re-sign with the Cardinals, who won the NFC West and nearly upset the Steelers in the Super Bowl.

San Francisco's brain trust apparently didn't get the memo.

The fact Warner left town, even after receiving what his camp says was a $30 million, two-year offer that included $20 million in guarantees, was confirmation that 49ers president Jed York, general manager Scot McCloughan and coach Mike Singletary willingly allowed themselves to be used as leverage in Warner's attempt to secure more money from the Cardinals. Arizona had offered a $20 million, two-year deal that included $10 million in guarantees, all coming in the first year. He agreed on Wednesday to a two-year, $23 million package.

The 49ers decision to court Warner was flawed on so many fronts that it's difficult to decide where to begin. For one thing it sent a mixed message to the players, fans and media about the blueprint for the future. Singletary, who had the interim tag removed from his job title in December, has spent the last few months creating the impression that he wants a physical, ground-based offense. Then the team brings in a quarterback like Warner, who is at his best using spread formations and throwing the ball around.

Maybe San Francisco was trying to hurt a division rival by giving Warner leverage to drive up his asking price with the Cardinals, which could negatively impact Arizona's salary cap in future seasons (provided there is a salary cap beyond this year). Unfortunately, I have a hard time giving McCloughan or anyone else in the organization the benefit of the doubt.

Since McCloughan arrived in 2005, the team has made one personnel mistake after another. The Niners have drafted only two impact players out of 35 picks in the past four drafts -- running back Frank Gore and linebacker Patrick Willis, with offensive tackle Joe Staley on the bubble -- and they willingly have given player agents the combination to their vault.

They overpaid for QB Alex Smith after selecting him No. 1 overall in 2005 and are still paying a price for that mistake. Ditto free agency. They overspent for offensive tackle Jonas Jennings, cornerback Nate Clements and defensive end/outside linebacker Justin Smith, and they tried to overspend on Warner, based on the numbers his camp put out.

Once is a mistake. Twice is a trend. Three times is an explanation for six-consecutive losing seasons.

York, McCloughan and Singletary did not return calls seeking comment, but perhaps there's nothing to be said. If the Niners had done their homework, they'd have known that offer was asinine because Warner, who will be 38 next season, struggles when he goes to a new team. After leaving the Rams for the Giants in 2004, he threw for only six touchdowns in nine starts that year. In his first season with the Cardinals in 2005, he threw only 11 touchdown passes and had an 85.8 passer rating, both single-season career-lows when starting at least 10 games.

The 49ers can say it didn't hurt them to kick Warner's tires and, at the very least, they helped drive up the cost for the Cardinals to re-sign him. However, the perception that lingers, to me, is the 49ers are feathers in the wind, shifting their personnel philosophies when an intriguing whim strikes them.

Another thing: Did the Niners really believe Warner would swap Pro Bowl receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin for Brandon Jones and Josh Morgan, whose 12 career combined touchdown catches are 11 fewer than Fitzgerald and Boldin had last year? Jones is the team's top free-agent signing this offseason, and if you're underwhelmed you're in good company. Multiple members of the organization weren't moved by the signing. It was the latest mixed message. After years of saying they needed to find a No. 1 receiver -- particularly after investing the first pick in the draft on a QB -- they failed to deliver again. Jones is a nice guy, a decent receiver and a hard worker, but he's not a No. 1 guy.

Jed York officially assumed the job of team president in December, and perhaps he wanted to make a big splash with Warner. But even if he had succeeded, Warner would have been a bad fit. Again, study his history. What's interesting is that teams are doing everything they can in this bad economy to reel in season-ticket buyers, even holding ticket prices flat. Yet by flirting with Warner the 49ers (inadvertently?) sent the message that they're not comfortable with any of the quarterbacks on their roster. Makes you want to rush right out and get your tickets, right?

If York, McCloughan and Singletary couldn't see that, then why should anyone else see anything but a seventh-consecutive losing season for the 49ers?

Jim Trotter can be reached at [email protected].
Whats Up Wit You being all Up in da NINERS NEWS THREAD? what happen to this!

IT'S FUNNY HOW NINER FANS BE ALL UP IN THE RAIDER THREADS.

AND WE BARELY EVEN PARTICIPATE IN YOURS. WELL, AT LEAST I DON'T.

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Tony

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It is what it is....I said it before, Warner used the Niners like a hoe.... had me fooled and everything. He went to Stanford to take a physical and didn't even sign!
 
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warner shit was smart, there was an outside chance of getting him, tho slim. we pretty much went into a auction and raised the price for his services. and if we did win the auction we would of got a great QB. win win.
 
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We haven't really seen the real Alex Smith since the end of the 2006 season - and the first three games of 2007. But at this stage, we have no idea who the real Alex Smith is.

The 49ers went after Kurt Warner and did not get him. Now, with Smith, Shaun Hill and Damon Huard on the roster, there are legitimate questions. The biggest question facing coach Mike Singletary is: Can he award the starting job to anyone other than Hill.



At this stage, Hill is the people's choice. He earned that with a 7-3 record on a team that went 5-17 in games Hill did not start the past two seasons.



But there are some (perhaps, many) in the 49ers' organization who believe Shaun Hill has a ceiling on how well he can perform as an NFL starting quarterback. After all, Hill is seen as a player who lacks the great physical tools. Many believe his lack of a big-league arm will prevent him from having success as a full-time starting quarterback.



Meanwhile, Smith - assuming he is able to bounce back strong from his two seasons of shoulder problems - has all those physical gifts. There is a reason he was chosen with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. There is a reason that if the 49ers did not take him with the top choice in 2005, he was not going to tumble out of the top-three picks in the draft.



Still, I find it difficult to believe Smith will be the starting quarterback from Day 1. The moment he is named the starter, the temperature will crank up on Smith. People will question why Hill's accomplishments were overlooked. The first time Smith misses an open receiver or the 49ers lose a home game, the discontent will get louder and it will become even more difficult for him to succeed.



We still don't know if Smith can cut it. At the end of the 2006 season, he seemed to be on the path to becoming a pretty decent NFL quarterback. But in the past two seasons, he has been able to throw passes in just three games without wincing in pain.



We don't' know any more about Smith today than we knew at the end of 2006. Since that time, his injuries problems have prevented him from proving whether he can or cannot play an effective form of quarterback in the NFL.



The best way to handle Smith is to ease him back in. Hill should be the starter from Day 1. Generally, the most popular player on a team is the backup quarterback. At some point, Smith will probably get an opportunity to prove himself in that backup role. When that chance comes, he will be afforded a longer leash.



If Smith never gets that chance, it means Hill was the correct decision all along.
Niners restructure QB Smith's contract


The Niners announced Tuesday that they have restructured the contract of former first-round draft pick Alex Smith into a two-year deal. Terms of the new contract were not announced.

Entering his fifth NFL season after being selected by San Francisco as the first overall pick in the 2005 draft, Smith was placed on injured reserve for the entire 2008 season due to a shoulder injury after being limited to only seven games in ’07.

Although Shaun Hill is considered the frontrunner for the starting QB job this season after doing an excellent job replacing the struggling J.T. O’Sullivan last season, Smith, who has a much stronger arm than Hill when healthy, is expected to get a legitimate opportunity to win back the starting job this offseason.
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Peterson: Smith's second chance is worth it


The 49ers signed quarterback Alex Smith to a restructured contract Tuesday, and from all corners of their fan base a cry arose:

"Oh yeah, that guy."

It's a win-win proposition, and not just because it installs Smith as a leading candidate for the 2009 Comeback Player of the Year award. For starters, it saves the 49ers some dough. Smith, scheduled to make $24.6 million over the next two seasons under the deal he signed after the 49ers made him the top pick in the 2005 draft, will now make at least $8 million, according to ESPN.com.

Smith gets his wish to remain in San Francisco. As for the millions of dollars he conceded back to the team, a lot of whopping big NFL contracts wind up being restructured for one reason or another, and almost none are fully guaranteed. Given that his original contract was for $49.5 million, we can assume Smith already has pocketed in the neighborhood of $25 million, with in excess of $8 million more on the way.

In other words, if you see him wearing jeans with holes in the knees, that would be a fashion statement.

But this isn't merely a financial restructuring of an overvalued contract. This is a complete psychic overhaul of the complicated relationship between a player and his team.

Smith arrived in San Francisco as the designated savior for a team coming off a 2-14 season and led by a rookie head coach. With big money came grossly
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oversized expectations. You see it all the time. People can't help themselves.

You see this all the time, too — the plan went awry. Smith played sparingly as a rookie, took every snap his second season, was injured in his third, and didn't play at all in what would have been his fourth. The team spun its wheels. Smith's relationship with coach Mike Nolan came undone. The 49ers moved on without the No. 1 pick in the 2005 draft, who seemed destined to wind up on the back of a Trivial Pursuit question card.

Here's something you don't see very often — that kind of player getting this kind of second chance with his original team. This time his arrival will not be announced by the commissioner on live TV. The money isn't based on speculation, or an organization trying to insinuate accountability upon the player.

There are no expectations beyond the understanding that Smith will compete with best bud Shaun Hill for the starting job. Even if Smith wins the competition, he'll be playing for a new head coach who considers the forward pass a tactical last resort.

Imagine how liberating that must be for Smith. No longer is he the embodiment of a grand plan to turn a truly miserable collection of talent into a team worthy of the 49ers' grand tradition. He's just another guy being given a chance.

Can he make good on the opportunity? A lot depends on his right shoulder. He dislocated it in the fourth game of 2007, had surgery on it that December, reinjured it during training camp last summer, and had another surgery in October. If he has no arm, he has no game.

Beyond that, why not? Coach Mike Singletary clearly isn't sold on Hill. Both Nolan and Mad Mike Martz are out the door. The 49ers have a new offensive coordinator for the fifth time in five seasons, but who has more experience digesting new playbooks than Smith?

In Singletary's vision of a perfect world, the 49ers offense will be equal parts smash and mouth, so the pressure is off the quarterback. Given a second chance in air he can actually breathe, Smith might surprise some people.

In a sense, he already has — he's still here.

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Tony

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Chree you don't provide good insight.... calling JR a bust already isn't good insight, that's hate.

On the subject, I don't believe Smith (even when healthy) has a "stronger" arm than Shaun Hill. Hill is getting flat out dogged by the Niners (and/or their front office). The Niners need to enter the season with Hill as qb because he's earned it. If the Niners plan on winning this upcoming season they need to name Hill the starter so they can go into the season without any controversies. Smith had enough chances... everytime a Niner qb other than Hill screwed up, it was Hill that always came in and played good enough for them to win. Give him the starting job, pay him more than Alex Smith and quit screwing around.