U GOTTA UNDER$TAND BRO WARNER TOO OLD, OWEN$ WELL U KNOW WU$$UP WITH THAT DUDE. HE $TARTED WITH THE 49ER$ AND $LOWLY $TARTED WITH THE EAGLE$ AND COWBOY$. A GOOD RECIEVER BUT WE NEED THAT UNITY IN THE LOCKEROOM THAN A $TAT RECIEVER WHO HA$ A HI$TORY IN DE$TROYING TEAM$. I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING CUTLER BUT IMO I DON'T THINK HE FIT$ WITH THE NINER$!!!!
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Apparently Kurt Warner spent 45 minutes alone in an office in SF before making his decision. "God" told him to stay with AZ. glad we dont have that nutcase on our team. (and dont say he'd get us a superbowl.) Right now, Shaun Hill should be announced the starter, by Singletary. Until we have a competition, he should be the starter.
HERE'S AN ARTICLE FROM SI.COM BASHING THE SHIT OUT THE NINERS FRONT OFFICE:
Court Warner? QB chase magnifies ineptitude of the Niners front office
As he made his way through the 49ers' training complex Monday, free-agent quarterback Kurt Warner told a member of the organization that his heart was a two-hour plane ride away in Phoenix. The admission didn't come as a surprise. Even before Warner boarded a private jet for the ride from Arizona to Northern California, the football world knew he wanted to re-sign with the Cardinals, who won the NFC West and nearly upset the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
San Francisco's brain trust apparently didn't get the memo.
The fact Warner left town, even after receiving what his camp says was a $30 million, two-year offer that included $20 million in guarantees, was confirmation that 49ers president Jed York, general manager Scot McCloughan and coach Mike Singletary willingly allowed themselves to be used as leverage in Warner's attempt to secure more money from the Cardinals. Arizona had offered a $20 million, two-year deal that included $10 million in guarantees, all coming in the first year. He agreed on Wednesday to a two-year, $23 million package.
The 49ers decision to court Warner was flawed on so many fronts that it's difficult to decide where to begin. For one thing it sent a mixed message to the players, fans and media about the blueprint for the future. Singletary, who had the interim tag removed from his job title in December, has spent the last few months creating the impression that he wants a physical, ground-based offense. Then the team brings in a quarterback like Warner, who is at his best using spread formations and throwing the ball around.
Maybe San Francisco was trying to hurt a division rival by giving Warner leverage to drive up his asking price with the Cardinals, which could negatively impact Arizona's salary cap in future seasons (provided there is a salary cap beyond this year). Unfortunately, I have a hard time giving McCloughan or anyone else in the organization the benefit of the doubt.
Since McCloughan arrived in 2005, the team has made one personnel mistake after another. The Niners have drafted only two impact players out of 35 picks in the past four drafts -- running back Frank Gore and linebacker Patrick Willis, with offensive tackle Joe Staley on the bubble -- and they willingly have given player agents the combination to their vault.
They overpaid for QB Alex Smith after selecting him No. 1 overall in 2005 and are still paying a price for that mistake. Ditto free agency. They overspent for offensive tackle Jonas Jennings, cornerback Nate Clements and defensive end/outside linebacker Justin Smith, and they tried to overspend on Warner, based on the numbers his camp put out.
Once is a mistake. Twice is a trend. Three times is an explanation for six-consecutive losing seasons.
York, McCloughan and Singletary did not return calls seeking comment, but perhaps there's nothing to be said. If the Niners had done their homework, they'd have known that offer was asinine because Warner, who will be 38 next season, struggles when he goes to a new team. After leaving the Rams for the Giants in 2004, he threw for only six touchdowns in nine starts that year. In his first season with the Cardinals in 2005, he threw only 11 touchdown passes and had an 85.8 passer rating, both single-season career-lows when starting at least 10 games.
The 49ers can say it didn't hurt them to kick Warner's tires and, at the very least, they helped drive up the cost for the Cardinals to re-sign him. However, the perception that lingers, to me, is the 49ers are feathers in the wind, shifting their personnel philosophies when an intriguing whim strikes them.
Another thing: Did the Niners really believe Warner would swap Pro Bowl receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin for Brandon Jones and Josh Morgan, whose 12 career combined touchdown catches are 11 fewer than Fitzgerald and Boldin had last year? Jones is the team's top free-agent signing this offseason, and if you're underwhelmed you're in good company. Multiple members of the organization weren't moved by the signing. It was the latest mixed message. After years of saying they needed to find a No. 1 receiver -- particularly after investing the first pick in the draft on a QB -- they failed to deliver again. Jones is a nice guy, a decent receiver and a hard worker, but he's not a No. 1 guy.
Jed York officially assumed the job of team president in December, and perhaps he wanted to make a big splash with Warner. But even if he had succeeded, Warner would have been a bad fit. Again, study his history. What's interesting is that teams are doing everything they can in this bad economy to reel in season-ticket buyers, even holding ticket prices flat. Yet by flirting with Warner the 49ers (inadvertently?) sent the message that they're not comfortable with any of the quarterbacks on their roster. Makes you want to rush right out and get your tickets, right?
If York, McCloughan and Singletary couldn't see that, then why should anyone else see anything but a seventh-consecutive losing season for the 49ers?
Jim Trotter can be reached at [email protected].
Court Warner? QB chase magnifies ineptitude of the Niners front office
As he made his way through the 49ers' training complex Monday, free-agent quarterback Kurt Warner told a member of the organization that his heart was a two-hour plane ride away in Phoenix. The admission didn't come as a surprise. Even before Warner boarded a private jet for the ride from Arizona to Northern California, the football world knew he wanted to re-sign with the Cardinals, who won the NFC West and nearly upset the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
San Francisco's brain trust apparently didn't get the memo.
The fact Warner left town, even after receiving what his camp says was a $30 million, two-year offer that included $20 million in guarantees, was confirmation that 49ers president Jed York, general manager Scot McCloughan and coach Mike Singletary willingly allowed themselves to be used as leverage in Warner's attempt to secure more money from the Cardinals. Arizona had offered a $20 million, two-year deal that included $10 million in guarantees, all coming in the first year. He agreed on Wednesday to a two-year, $23 million package.
The 49ers decision to court Warner was flawed on so many fronts that it's difficult to decide where to begin. For one thing it sent a mixed message to the players, fans and media about the blueprint for the future. Singletary, who had the interim tag removed from his job title in December, has spent the last few months creating the impression that he wants a physical, ground-based offense. Then the team brings in a quarterback like Warner, who is at his best using spread formations and throwing the ball around.
Maybe San Francisco was trying to hurt a division rival by giving Warner leverage to drive up his asking price with the Cardinals, which could negatively impact Arizona's salary cap in future seasons (provided there is a salary cap beyond this year). Unfortunately, I have a hard time giving McCloughan or anyone else in the organization the benefit of the doubt.
Since McCloughan arrived in 2005, the team has made one personnel mistake after another. The Niners have drafted only two impact players out of 35 picks in the past four drafts -- running back Frank Gore and linebacker Patrick Willis, with offensive tackle Joe Staley on the bubble -- and they willingly have given player agents the combination to their vault.
They overpaid for QB Alex Smith after selecting him No. 1 overall in 2005 and are still paying a price for that mistake. Ditto free agency. They overspent for offensive tackle Jonas Jennings, cornerback Nate Clements and defensive end/outside linebacker Justin Smith, and they tried to overspend on Warner, based on the numbers his camp put out.
Once is a mistake. Twice is a trend. Three times is an explanation for six-consecutive losing seasons.
York, McCloughan and Singletary did not return calls seeking comment, but perhaps there's nothing to be said. If the Niners had done their homework, they'd have known that offer was asinine because Warner, who will be 38 next season, struggles when he goes to a new team. After leaving the Rams for the Giants in 2004, he threw for only six touchdowns in nine starts that year. In his first season with the Cardinals in 2005, he threw only 11 touchdown passes and had an 85.8 passer rating, both single-season career-lows when starting at least 10 games.
The 49ers can say it didn't hurt them to kick Warner's tires and, at the very least, they helped drive up the cost for the Cardinals to re-sign him. However, the perception that lingers, to me, is the 49ers are feathers in the wind, shifting their personnel philosophies when an intriguing whim strikes them.
Another thing: Did the Niners really believe Warner would swap Pro Bowl receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin for Brandon Jones and Josh Morgan, whose 12 career combined touchdown catches are 11 fewer than Fitzgerald and Boldin had last year? Jones is the team's top free-agent signing this offseason, and if you're underwhelmed you're in good company. Multiple members of the organization weren't moved by the signing. It was the latest mixed message. After years of saying they needed to find a No. 1 receiver -- particularly after investing the first pick in the draft on a QB -- they failed to deliver again. Jones is a nice guy, a decent receiver and a hard worker, but he's not a No. 1 guy.
Jed York officially assumed the job of team president in December, and perhaps he wanted to make a big splash with Warner. But even if he had succeeded, Warner would have been a bad fit. Again, study his history. What's interesting is that teams are doing everything they can in this bad economy to reel in season-ticket buyers, even holding ticket prices flat. Yet by flirting with Warner the 49ers (inadvertently?) sent the message that they're not comfortable with any of the quarterbacks on their roster. Makes you want to rush right out and get your tickets, right?
If York, McCloughan and Singletary couldn't see that, then why should anyone else see anything but a seventh-consecutive losing season for the 49ers?
Jim Trotter can be reached at [email protected].
I don't see how driving his price up was a bad thing. Of course we all knew he wanted to stay in Arizona. But like the article touched on, AZ spending more money than they originally wanted to leaves less money for them to spend elsewhere !
Also, them 'pursing' Warner for me as a fan just tells me that they are willing to make moves for the team's success...I don't see how the author of that article is saying that as a bad thing, as far as us not being 'comfortable' with any of the quarterbacks on our roster.
Duh idiot !
If the oportunity came up to possibly pick up a future HOF'er, and a player who is playing great football came up and my team didn't even blink, then I'd be worried.
How can you pass up on a player like Warner...? Especially with him playing a position that we could definitely use an upgrade in.
Also, them 'pursing' Warner for me as a fan just tells me that they are willing to make moves for the team's success...I don't see how the author of that article is saying that as a bad thing, as far as us not being 'comfortable' with any of the quarterbacks on our roster.
Duh idiot !
If the oportunity came up to possibly pick up a future HOF'er, and a player who is playing great football came up and my team didn't even blink, then I'd be worried.
How can you pass up on a player like Warner...? Especially with him playing a position that we could definitely use an upgrade in.
According to Pro Football Talk, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, the first overall selection in the 2005 NFL Draft, has agreed to a new two-year deal. Earlier, the 49ers had stated that if Smith did not renegotiate his contract, he would likely be released.
Specifics about the contract are not yet available. However, Pro Football Talk mentions that "it's normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package."
Specifics about the contract are not yet available. However, Pro Football Talk mentions that "it's normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package."
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/10/alex-smith-does-a-new-deal/
"At a time when one of Tom Condon’s high-profile clients is contemplating taking a salary haircut in order to stay with a California team, another high-profile Tom Condon client has opted to reduce his compensation in order to keep his job.
Per a league source, the 49ers have agreed to a new two-year deal with quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Though specific numbers are not yet available, we’re told that it’s normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package.
Our guess is that Smith will make something like $2 million to $3 million per year.
"At a time when one of Tom Condon’s high-profile clients is contemplating taking a salary haircut in order to stay with a California team, another high-profile Tom Condon client has opted to reduce his compensation in order to keep his job.
Per a league source, the 49ers have agreed to a new two-year deal with quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Though specific numbers are not yet available, we’re told that it’s normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package.
Our guess is that Smith will make something like $2 million to $3 million per year.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/10/alex-smith-does-a-new-deal/
"At a time when one of Tom Condon’s high-profile clients is contemplating taking a salary haircut in order to stay with a California team, another high-profile Tom Condon client has opted to reduce his compensation in order to keep his job.
Per a league source, the 49ers have agreed to a new two-year deal with quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Though specific numbers are not yet available, we’re told that it’s normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package.
Our guess is that Smith will make something like $2 million to $3 million per year.
"At a time when one of Tom Condon’s high-profile clients is contemplating taking a salary haircut in order to stay with a California team, another high-profile Tom Condon client has opted to reduce his compensation in order to keep his job.
Per a league source, the 49ers have agreed to a new two-year deal with quarterback Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.
Though specific numbers are not yet available, we’re told that it’s normal two-year money for a backup-type deal, but all in all a fair package.
Our guess is that Smith will make something like $2 million to $3 million per year.
49ers quarterback Alex Smith has had a disappointing start to his career, but he was adamant about one thing -- he wanted to stay in San Francisco.
As a result of his loyalty, Smith was able to rework the final two years of his contract and stay with the 49ers. According to a source, Smith will make $4 million a season in 2009 and 2010, in addition to base salaries that weren't immediately made known.
In his previous contract, he was scheduled to make $24.6 million in the final two years.
"We have reached an agreement with Alex and his agent to keep him as a member of the San Francisco 49ers," general manager Scot McCloughan said in a statement. "Alex expressed a deep interest to remain with the team and that feeling was mutual."
Other teams had shown interest in Smith, who is only 24 years old and has four years of NFL experience. Those teams were willing to pay him more than his 49ers deal, according to a source, but Smith was insistent on making something work in San Francisco.
Smith, the first pick in the 2005 draft out of Utah, had 30 starts in his first three seasons, but was placed on injured reserve for the entire 2008 season because of a shoulder injury.
His best season may have been in 2006, when he completed 257-of-442 passes for 2,890 yards, with 16 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. Part of his rocky path may be because of the 49ers' annual change in offensive coordinators -- Smith has had a new one in each of his four seasons.
As a result of his loyalty, Smith was able to rework the final two years of his contract and stay with the 49ers. According to a source, Smith will make $4 million a season in 2009 and 2010, in addition to base salaries that weren't immediately made known.
In his previous contract, he was scheduled to make $24.6 million in the final two years.
"We have reached an agreement with Alex and his agent to keep him as a member of the San Francisco 49ers," general manager Scot McCloughan said in a statement. "Alex expressed a deep interest to remain with the team and that feeling was mutual."
Other teams had shown interest in Smith, who is only 24 years old and has four years of NFL experience. Those teams were willing to pay him more than his 49ers deal, according to a source, but Smith was insistent on making something work in San Francisco.
Smith, the first pick in the 2005 draft out of Utah, had 30 starts in his first three seasons, but was placed on injured reserve for the entire 2008 season because of a shoulder injury.
His best season may have been in 2006, when he completed 257-of-442 passes for 2,890 yards, with 16 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. Part of his rocky path may be because of the 49ers' annual change in offensive coordinators -- Smith has had a new one in each of his four seasons.
4 million a year for two years is not bad for a back-up... Does anyone know how much Shaun Hill is getting paid? I think the Niners should just name Shaun Hill the starter heading into the season and pay him a bit more than Alex Smith. I don't think Hill is getting treated right in SF. I think he's proved himself and should be named the starter. I can't see Alex Smith playing better than Hill.
Don't know the details on Smith's new contract, but it has to be pretty similar to Shaun Hill's contract. Hill is scheduled to make $1.4 million and $1.5 million in base salary the next two seasons, plus he can make another $1.8 million per season in incentives. Hill's salary-cap figures in 2009 and 2010 are $2.1 million and $2.2 million.
