Nick Diaz vs Jeff Lacy (official)
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Your name and the substance of your replies is ironic. Now I know how mental physicians feel when they are treating retards.
YEAH !! BOXERS GET MO $$$$ !!!! YEA I LIKE SPENDING WASTING MY 50 $$$ A FIGHT(EVEN THO BY THE WAY I TYPE U CAN PROLLY TELL I MAKE SUB 20K A YEAR LOLZ!!! BUT ITS COO CUZ IM ASSURING GAYWEATHER GETS 20MIL LOL!! !!! !!!$$!!!)
YEAH !! BOXERS GET MO $$$$ !!!! YEA I LIKE SPENDING WASTING MY 50 $$$ A FIGHT(EVEN THO BY THE WAY I TYPE U CAN PROLLY TELL I MAKE SUB 20K A YEAR LOLZ!!! BUT ITS COO CUZ IM ASSURING GAYWEATHER GETS 20MIL LOL!! !!! !!!$$!!!)
I had this discussion tonight with a friend. He thinks MMA fighters are paid well enough to do a job they love.
I don't think boxers are necessarily motivated by the money to fight well. Of course it plays a part but boxing is a sport, just like mma, that if you don't train as hard as you can and you're not 100% prepared... you could end up permanently injured or dead. Every wrong move or miscalculation could get you seriously hurt and your career could crumble with one punch.
I think this debate is the same as the NFL lockout. It's funny to think that NFL players aren't getting paid enough in comparison to what we siccness users make in terms of wages. But, they're getting robbed as far as what they make off of their own abilities and their name compared to what NFL owners make. Nearly all NFL, MLB, and NBA owners are billionaires or their investors make enough collectively to be worth over a billion. There isn't a single athlete worth a billion dollars.
Athletes get paid a lot of money, but some of them are indeed being pimped.
I don't think boxers are necessarily motivated by the money to fight well. Of course it plays a part but boxing is a sport, just like mma, that if you don't train as hard as you can and you're not 100% prepared... you could end up permanently injured or dead. Every wrong move or miscalculation could get you seriously hurt and your career could crumble with one punch.
I think this debate is the same as the NFL lockout. It's funny to think that NFL players aren't getting paid enough in comparison to what we siccness users make in terms of wages. But, they're getting robbed as far as what they make off of their own abilities and their name compared to what NFL owners make. Nearly all NFL, MLB, and NBA owners are billionaires or their investors make enough collectively to be worth over a billion. There isn't a single athlete worth a billion dollars.
Athletes get paid a lot of money, but some of them are indeed being pimped.
This makes no sense. He's not saying MMA fighters make more money. He's saying that with the significant payouts boxers like Mayweather receive, and being that they box for a living, that they can afford to pick and choose who they fight so as to maintain a steady stream of top payouts. In the world of MMA this is simply not the case. The payouts are drastically less, leaving the fighters (all fighters that is, even the very best) ready to take on ANY fight to get paid.
^^with UFC though I don't think it would matter if they got paid more money or not, they have to fight who the UFC tells them. If boxing had some sort of central organization that ran boxing in general they could force floyd to fight pac (unless he retired) or anyone else for that matter.
I think UFC guys should be getting a bit more money, it's their lives on the line and like I mentioned, I'm sure years down the road we're going to see a whole lot of ex-UFC guys in real bad situations with no money.
I think UFC guys should be getting a bit more money, it's their lives on the line and like I mentioned, I'm sure years down the road we're going to see a whole lot of ex-UFC guys in real bad situations with no money.
206, you could be right, but during the summit recently, they actually went over finances and how they should be handled. The UFC has gotten real good at putting good fighters in position to make money, but they have to go out and do it, while a boxer generally just needs to box. MMA fighters need to market themselves and make money other ways as well as fighting. There are a lot of fighters that have books and most of them seem to own their own gym. Also being in movies. If you are a good fighter, the UFC will market you, then you have to market yourself to sell books, do movies etc; etc;.
I am a fan of the UFC and how they do most business, I like the insurance thing and now they opened the new Twitter bonus thing. The pay for just fighting is not high, not even close to boxing, but they can make a good living, but it is put on them a lot. But hell all the money in the world and someone could still go broke. Didn't PBF run into big money problems after he had made multi-multi- millions?
I also like how the money is not too high, where someone for example PBF can come back to boxing fight a few fights and leave again, in MMA you have to fight the big fights if you want money.
Also this is not a hit on boxing, there is most certainly negative things about one huge organization. Like fighters cannot shop around for promoters for big paydays, but the thing is there has been organizations that tried to have big pay days and they failed bad. Affliction was paying people the biggest amount any MMA fighter was getting and they couldn’t put on more than a couple shows before they folded.
I am a fan of the UFC and how they do most business, I like the insurance thing and now they opened the new Twitter bonus thing. The pay for just fighting is not high, not even close to boxing, but they can make a good living, but it is put on them a lot. But hell all the money in the world and someone could still go broke. Didn't PBF run into big money problems after he had made multi-multi- millions?
I also like how the money is not too high, where someone for example PBF can come back to boxing fight a few fights and leave again, in MMA you have to fight the big fights if you want money.
Also this is not a hit on boxing, there is most certainly negative things about one huge organization. Like fighters cannot shop around for promoters for big paydays, but the thing is there has been organizations that tried to have big pay days and they failed bad. Affliction was paying people the biggest amount any MMA fighter was getting and they couldn’t put on more than a couple shows before they folded.
For the most part MMA title-holders are forced to either fight or vacate the belt, sure. Going even further, you'd have to consider the possibilities each fighter/boxer faces. In the UFC, there are 7 belts, one for each of the seven weight classes. In boxing, and you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong, there are over 100 belts and something like 17 weight classes. This gives a champion two ways to consider his options. First, you have multiple belts in each division. So while GSP has only the top contender in his division as a viable option, a boxer in his weight class might have the possibility to face several other "champions". Second, it is much easier for a boxer to drop a class or go up in weight to face a different boxer thereby opening himself up to several more titles. In the UFC, a fighter would have to make more of a JUMP, and in doing so could limit themselves physically against someone who naturally fights at that weight class. With all that said, I understand the difference between boxing being a sport and the UFC being an organization, and how in boxing a fighter is the business. But IF there were more divisions and belts, it would be much easier for someone like GSP to pick a fighter and convince Dana to accept the terms.
The next thing is, I wanted to ask you something. You have emphasised that Jeff Lacy is a "shot" fighter. But when you consider he is 34, has only lost 4 fights, and the boxers he has lost to, wouldn't you say it is more accurate to say that he just wasn't ever that good to begin with?
The next thing is, I wanted to ask you something. You have emphasised that Jeff Lacy is a "shot" fighter. But when you consider he is 34, has only lost 4 fights, and the boxers he has lost to, wouldn't you say it is more accurate to say that he just wasn't ever that good to begin with?
Right, I know all this. But in the end if dana white wants GSP to fight someone in his weight class, it's going to happen. In boxing sure you can duck & dodge guys by going to different weight classes, etc., but at the end of the day we have multiple guys in the same weight classes who are considered the best and aren't fighting. Pac-Floyd is just one of them. It happens all the time in boxing unfortunately.
age is just a number. Vargas was considered shot at age 28 and he only had 3-4 losses.
Lacy I think was always overrated, but he had talent. What happened was he lost very badly to joe calzaghe, and then had a very serious shoulder injury which required two surgeries and he was never the same after that.
After his surgeries , he badly lost to jermaine taylor, then lost to an even more shot 40 year old roy jones, then to a journeymen most recently. But prior to those loses, he went life and death with Peter Manfredo jr who is a joke and looked absolutely terrible and nearly got KO'd by another journeyman named Epifanio Mendoza on Friday Night Fights.
So if you compare 2004-2005 jeff lacy to what we have today, it's a totally different fighter. One was good (but admittedly over-hyped as the "next tyson) to now a walking punching bag that can't even throw his signature "left hook" anymore. It's not that he lost, but how badly he's looked in all of his post-calzaghe fights and how he's just a shell of his former self.
He actually announced his retirement after his last loss, but I guess this Nick Diaz thing is his calling to come back.
age is just a number. Vargas was considered shot at age 28 and he only had 3-4 losses.
Lacy I think was always overrated, but he had talent. What happened was he lost very badly to joe calzaghe, and then had a very serious shoulder injury which required two surgeries and he was never the same after that.
After his surgeries , he badly lost to jermaine taylor, then lost to an even more shot 40 year old roy jones, then to a journeymen most recently. But prior to those loses, he went life and death with Peter Manfredo jr who is a joke and looked absolutely terrible and nearly got KO'd by another journeyman named Epifanio Mendoza on Friday Night Fights.
So if you compare 2004-2005 jeff lacy to what we have today, it's a totally different fighter. One was good (but admittedly over-hyped as the "next tyson) to now a walking punching bag that can't even throw his signature "left hook" anymore. It's not that he lost, but how badly he's looked in all of his post-calzaghe fights and how he's just a shell of his former self.
He actually announced his retirement after his last loss, but I guess this Nick Diaz thing is his calling to come back.
Promoter says Nick Diaz no longer set to box, Dana White insists UFC bout not guaranteed
The man prepared to promote a Nick Diaz (25-7 MMA, 6-4 UFC) boxing contest now says the Strikeforce welterweight champion will not be entering the squared circle anytime soon.
Don Chargin today announced via press release that Diaz has determined it's in his "best interest to focus on his primary combat sport and profession."
Chargin also referenced a potential "opportunity of a lifetime" for Diaz, fueling further speculation of a pending matchup with UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre (22-2 MMA, 16-2 UFC). However, UFC president Dana White continues to insist Diaz is far from UFC-bound.
"We will see," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "There are still a lot of hurdles."
Diaz aligned himself with boxing promoter Don Chagrin two years ago but continued to fight and flourish in MMA, winning the Strikeforce welterweight title and defending it three times. This past December, he signed a new multi-fight contract with Strikeforce that allowed him one professional boxing match in 2011.
That was four months before the UFC purchased Strikeforce. However, Diaz's original contract stayed intact, and White said his promotion would honor the deal if pressed. However, according to several sources, White met with Diaz this past week with the aim of preventing Diaz from boxing former IBF champion Jeff Lacy.
Chargin didn't detail exactly what led to the decision, but he did allude to some potential opportunities for Diaz in the MMA cage.
"Nick is a good kid and a very exciting fighter," Chargin stated. "Right now, he has an opportunity of a lifetime as it pertains to his MMA career. While I don't doubt that Nick and his team were serious about taking the big step into boxing, it only makes sense for him to finish what he started and see how far he can go in MMA before he does anything in boxing.
"It's all about timing. … We began these discussions over two years ago, and nobody would have imagined the type of demand that there currently is for Nick as a mixed martial artist."
Several MMA pundits have speculated that Diaz and St-Pierre might be tapped as coaches on the upcoming season of "The Ultimate Fighter," which begins filming the first week of June. However, White said that plan is currently "not even a thought."
Nevertheless, Diaz's manager, Cesar Gracie, added more fuel to the St-Pierre fire. Earlier this month, Gracie told MMAjunkie.com that a St-Pierre fight is really the only thing that would change Diaz's mind. Now, he says, boxing doesn't even "make sense."
"There are some people that have said we were just posturing to go into professional boxing, and they don't understand that this thing is something we had been working on since 2009," Gracie stated. "It wasn't just out of nowhere, but at this point in time, there's a certain chance that comes along once in a very long while and it only makes sense to stick to MMA as of right now. Nick's been working really hard to get to this point in his MMA career and it wouldn't make sense for us to make that transition into boxing right now.
"If this were a couple months ago or if certain fights had played out differently, we'd definitely be ready to go into boxing, but that's not how it played out. Don Chargin is a great boxing promoter, and he understood our dilemma completely, and I thank him for that."
The man prepared to promote a Nick Diaz (25-7 MMA, 6-4 UFC) boxing contest now says the Strikeforce welterweight champion will not be entering the squared circle anytime soon.
Don Chargin today announced via press release that Diaz has determined it's in his "best interest to focus on his primary combat sport and profession."
Chargin also referenced a potential "opportunity of a lifetime" for Diaz, fueling further speculation of a pending matchup with UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre (22-2 MMA, 16-2 UFC). However, UFC president Dana White continues to insist Diaz is far from UFC-bound.
"We will see," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "There are still a lot of hurdles."
Diaz aligned himself with boxing promoter Don Chagrin two years ago but continued to fight and flourish in MMA, winning the Strikeforce welterweight title and defending it three times. This past December, he signed a new multi-fight contract with Strikeforce that allowed him one professional boxing match in 2011.
That was four months before the UFC purchased Strikeforce. However, Diaz's original contract stayed intact, and White said his promotion would honor the deal if pressed. However, according to several sources, White met with Diaz this past week with the aim of preventing Diaz from boxing former IBF champion Jeff Lacy.
Chargin didn't detail exactly what led to the decision, but he did allude to some potential opportunities for Diaz in the MMA cage.
"Nick is a good kid and a very exciting fighter," Chargin stated. "Right now, he has an opportunity of a lifetime as it pertains to his MMA career. While I don't doubt that Nick and his team were serious about taking the big step into boxing, it only makes sense for him to finish what he started and see how far he can go in MMA before he does anything in boxing.
"It's all about timing. … We began these discussions over two years ago, and nobody would have imagined the type of demand that there currently is for Nick as a mixed martial artist."
Several MMA pundits have speculated that Diaz and St-Pierre might be tapped as coaches on the upcoming season of "The Ultimate Fighter," which begins filming the first week of June. However, White said that plan is currently "not even a thought."
Nevertheless, Diaz's manager, Cesar Gracie, added more fuel to the St-Pierre fire. Earlier this month, Gracie told MMAjunkie.com that a St-Pierre fight is really the only thing that would change Diaz's mind. Now, he says, boxing doesn't even "make sense."
"There are some people that have said we were just posturing to go into professional boxing, and they don't understand that this thing is something we had been working on since 2009," Gracie stated. "It wasn't just out of nowhere, but at this point in time, there's a certain chance that comes along once in a very long while and it only makes sense to stick to MMA as of right now. Nick's been working really hard to get to this point in his MMA career and it wouldn't make sense for us to make that transition into boxing right now.
"If this were a couple months ago or if certain fights had played out differently, we'd definitely be ready to go into boxing, but that's not how it played out. Don Chargin is a great boxing promoter, and he understood our dilemma completely, and I thank him for that."