I'd love to see Pac pull it off, but my gut tells me he may have bitten off more than he can chew. I think that is why he kept trying to back out of the fight. Mayweather Sr. is the Wild card. If he teaches Hatton how to roll from punches, and inspires him to work the body, then I gotta give it to Hatton. Hatton might not be the sitting duck you're expecting him to be.
MOSLEY VS. PACQUIAO HOW BOUT IT???
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@ 206: Okay he took solid punches from Counter punches (and your dreaming if any of those dudes had more power than Hatton), but has he took a barrage of power punches from a pressure fighter? Yeah, he can take a counter here, and a counter there, but can he withstand a barrage of power? We'll have to see. You can't say yes, and if so, name the fighter he fought who pressured him. And on the clinching, He'll try to mug him and not get hit back ala Hopkins, sounds smart to me.
hatton throws a couple punches then clinches. He's not going to be throwing some windmill of punches like margarito, etc. See the mayweather fight. No combinations, just constantly coming forward, lunging while throwing a body shot or whatever, clinch, repeat.
A good boxer, which I believe Manny has become, as well as having the smarts to be patient, which I also believe he has become, will easily pick apart hatton, just like mayweather did. No head movement, just a big head coming straight at you. Speed, good movement/footwork, and power will beat hatton every time.
Paulie was an idiot against Hatton because he didn't box. In fact, he hasn't boxed well in quite some time and for some dumb reason he thought he actually had power. He almost lost to N'dou prior to hatton because he did the same thing, he didn't box he stood there and went toe-to-toe. Luckily for him N'dou sucks. And hatton was practically out on his feet against Juan Lazcano and looked like a Mac truck hit him in the face doing 120mph when it was all said and done, he got lucky he survived his welcome home fight and Lazcano isn't half the fighter pacman is. Might be a lil bigger built but thats it.
I would be absolutely shocked if pacquiao loses. You can quote me on that if it happens and I'll put in my sig just for shits & giggles.
A good boxer, which I believe Manny has become, as well as having the smarts to be patient, which I also believe he has become, will easily pick apart hatton, just like mayweather did. No head movement, just a big head coming straight at you. Speed, good movement/footwork, and power will beat hatton every time.
Paulie was an idiot against Hatton because he didn't box. In fact, he hasn't boxed well in quite some time and for some dumb reason he thought he actually had power. He almost lost to N'dou prior to hatton because he did the same thing, he didn't box he stood there and went toe-to-toe. Luckily for him N'dou sucks. And hatton was practically out on his feet against Juan Lazcano and looked like a Mac truck hit him in the face doing 120mph when it was all said and done, he got lucky he survived his welcome home fight and Lazcano isn't half the fighter pacman is. Might be a lil bigger built but thats it.
I would be absolutely shocked if pacquiao loses. You can quote me on that if it happens and I'll put in my sig just for shits & giggles.
Get ready then... If you're comparing Mayweather and Manny then you have just lost me. Mayweather went to the body to stop Hatton, and has blazing speed and is a great counter puncher (which is the reason he retired undefeated, which I know is overrated in your humble IMO). I won't call Pac's speed blazing, he aint a counter puncher and he is easy to hit. Manny is in trouble, period. You'll see. Styles makes fights, and the one wrinkle Hatton has that Pac doesn't is the pursuit of the body. Margarito doesn't throw a bunch of punches either, til he has you cornered in, and never clinches to stop the other opponent from hittin him back. Hatton is the bigger fighter so He will be the bully not the other way. He will clinch (but not out of fear, but more as a defensive tactic), and frustrate Pac to stop his onslaught (Get mad at the clincher if you want). Pac's defense is as suspect as a cat burglar caught red handed. He'll be there to get tattooed. They'll both get roughed up, but Pac will fold from the pressure. Get ready to add that to your sig buddy. LOL
I checked the fight like 7 times hahaha i know. Mosely changed his game plan up 3 times. he couldnt figure cotto out and everytime mosely switched his game plane cotto adjusted to it, he simply was the smarter fighter that night. Cotto's timing was perfect and had mosely tasting leather all night. Cotto backed off the fourth round because he knew he had it in the bag, and was still accurate has he counter punched mosely
yeah but the triangle theory holds no weight in boxing, styles make fights like you said.
Fighter A beats fighter B who beats fighter C who beat fighter A. Happens all the time and there are millions of examples such as:
Roy Jones beats Hopkins
Tarver KO's Jones
Hopkins beats Tarver
or staying with those guys:
Roy Jones beats Hopkins
Glen Johnson beats the shit out of Jones
Hopkins beats the shit out of Johnson
etc etc etc
Fighter A beats fighter B who beats fighter C who beat fighter A. Happens all the time and there are millions of examples such as:
Roy Jones beats Hopkins
Tarver KO's Jones
Hopkins beats Tarver
or staying with those guys:
Roy Jones beats Hopkins
Glen Johnson beats the shit out of Jones
Hopkins beats the shit out of Johnson
etc etc etc
206, that wasn't my point bro, I understand that concept. Ali loses to Frazier, Foreman beats Frazier, Ali beats Foreman. I get it. Mosley got robbed in that fight just like Hopkins got robbed by Taylor in a close fight that should have went to the real winner. Mosley beat Cotto no matter what the judges said. And we both know judges call fights wrong all the time, and in this case I and lots of other people know Cotto lost. Not based on his bashed up face, but just looking at how he started fast, and by the end of the fight he had to run not to get knocked out because that body work worked him over. He was the young gun, he should have been the fresher fighter right? It didn't happen. Gabe believes he took the rounds off, but actually he was exhausted and didn't want to get knocked out, which was exactly what happened to him by Margarito. Had Mosley applied more pressure in key parts of the fight, he too would have knocked out Cotto. Now that Mosley has the belt, maybe they'll do it again.
Calling Cotto-Mosley a robbery is insane.
It was a very close fight that could have went either way.
Look at the final punchstats:
Total punches landed:
Cotto - 248
Mosley - 248
Total jabs landed:
Cotto - 91
Mosley - 71
Power punches landed:
Cotto - 150
Mosley - 177
Not a huge disparity in any of the punch categories. It was a close fight, but I thought that Cotto won. People get too carried away with the whole 'robbery' shit, when watching a close fight.
Debatable ?
Definitely. But again, it was a razor close fight, and a decision either way would have been just.
It was a very close fight that could have went either way.
Look at the final punchstats:
Total punches landed:
Cotto - 248
Mosley - 248
Total jabs landed:
Cotto - 91
Mosley - 71
Power punches landed:
Cotto - 150
Mosley - 177
Not a huge disparity in any of the punch categories. It was a close fight, but I thought that Cotto won. People get too carried away with the whole 'robbery' shit, when watching a close fight.
Debatable ?
Definitely. But again, it was a razor close fight, and a decision either way would have been just.
Exactly, you just proved my point by putting up those stats. It was a great close fight, and the fighter who was beaten up the most, hurt on multiple occasions, and stalked most of the fight wins. Come on now. Boxing has been trying to retire the older generation forever and when a fighter like Mosley clearly beats the young gun, they see past it and award the fighter they believe has his future ahead of him the win. Glenn Johnson, in IMO opinion beat Chad Dawson, but who got the decision, Winky Wright pulled off a close upset over Taylor but doesn't get the decision, Holyfield beats the Russian giant, Same with Hopkins and other fighters. I never said it wasn't a close fight. Cotto never hurt Mosley, but Mosley wobbled Cotto a few times. Outside of a Cotto Knock out, what more could he do to take the title? Politics man. It is what is though.
Honestly he got his vindication by beating the top of the pile in many eyes in Margarito. People thought Shane was on his way out after Mayorga, but Shane at this point in his career only gets up for the big fights, and rightfully so. He aint duckin nobody, yet he has to go the long route to gain respect. I'll give him the win over Mayweather too. Mayweather been running from this fight only cause Mosley has been a gentlemen even when getting robbed, and hasn't protested for the fight.
Honestly he got his vindication by beating the top of the pile in many eyes in Margarito. People thought Shane was on his way out after Mayorga, but Shane at this point in his career only gets up for the big fights, and rightfully so. He aint duckin nobody, yet he has to go the long route to gain respect. I'll give him the win over Mayweather too. Mayweather been running from this fight only cause Mosley has been a gentlemen even when getting robbed, and hasn't protested for the fight.
yeah man, that's no robbery. I was going for shane but had cotto winning the fight. Actually I scored it a draw first time about, 2nd time I scored it a couple rounds in cotto's favor. Close fights like that can't be robberies, just like a close marquez/pacquiao fight or the millions of other fights that can go either way. After re-watching the fight though I can honestly say, imo, Cotto clearly won. Yes, he was hurt at the end but he did win a couple of the late rounds which is why he got the nod. If he didn't, shane would have.
Cotto got the win no matter what so that's that, but my last say on it is Mosley made the young Bull look very ordinary. He was supposed to be the young king of the welterweights and Mosley was supposed to be past his prime and surely to be dominated and he gave Cotto his first real boxing lesson and he never recovered from it. Mosley exposed all of his faults and Margarito was able to correct the plan and take him out, though he got punished doing it. my one problem with mosley in that fight was the unecessary brawling with Cotto to prove he could fight with him, that cost him the fight because he allowed Cotto to get close enough to tee off. He could have outboxed him, and because he chose to brawl he lost. So if anything, Mosley beat him self being macho.
Talk right now is a deal being put on the table for Mayweather, but I see Mayweather bypassing it for the smaller and safer fight with Pacquiao in June
Talk right now is a deal being put on the table for Mayweather, but I see Mayweather bypassing it for the smaller and safer fight with Pacquiao in June
I wouldn't say everyone was saying Mosley was past his prime and cotto would easily win. I seem to remember everyone saying it would be a great fight, with a very slight edge in Cotto's favor and a huge test for cotto, which was right. Obviously now, looking back, Mosley is still one of the best, if not the best welterweights.
Also, I don't really think Mosley exposed cotto and layed the blue prints down for Margarito. Margarito didn't do anything that mosley did, he was just too big and physical for cotto and cotto also made a lot of his own mistakes like not tying margarito up for example. The only thing that he may have exposed is cotto isn't really a 12 round fighter. I agree though that shane lost against cotto for the reasons you stated.
good discussion
Also, I don't really think Mosley exposed cotto and layed the blue prints down for Margarito. Margarito didn't do anything that mosley did, he was just too big and physical for cotto and cotto also made a lot of his own mistakes like not tying margarito up for example. The only thing that he may have exposed is cotto isn't really a 12 round fighter. I agree though that shane lost against cotto for the reasons you stated.
good discussion