Pac by default LOL... I'm sorry but I don't fall in line with popular opinion, so I beg to differ with their P4P ranking. That public opinion was the same one that thought Margarito could beat Mosley. I disagreed before the fight happened and in that case had better foresight than the so called professionals. Actually overlooking Calzaghe as the P4P is a huge mistake (And I aint a Calzaghe fan). He's undefeated for cryin out loud, and him beating a game B-Hop (The same B-Hop who beat Pavlik) should put him there based on that alone.
MOSLEY VS. PACQUIAO HOW BOUT IT???
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Right just like how Mayweather became p4p #1 after Bernard Hopkins lost to Taylor. But obviously it goes by accomplishments as well and Pac has accomplish a lot, no question.
Ok, so like I asked you before, who do you think is #1?
Barely getting a split decision win over a 43 year old hopkins with a thyroid condition and getting knocked down and then a 40 year old Roy Jones who was considered way past his prime years ago does not get you into the p4p #1 spot, I'm sorry! Yes calzaghe is undefeated, so what?? Undefeated is overrated especially when your resume consists of beating 40 bums then an over hyped never accomplished shit jeff lacy and kessler, followed by two 40+ year olds doesn't cut it! It's laughable that you'd have calzaghe ahead of pacquiao! Just say the #1 spot is "vacant" or make some case that Marquez should be #1, don't reach and say calzaghe, lol.
Ok, so like I asked you before, who do you think is #1?
Barely getting a split decision win over a 43 year old hopkins with a thyroid condition and getting knocked down and then a 40 year old Roy Jones who was considered way past his prime years ago does not get you into the p4p #1 spot, I'm sorry! Yes calzaghe is undefeated, so what?? Undefeated is overrated especially when your resume consists of beating 40 bums then an over hyped never accomplished shit jeff lacy and kessler, followed by two 40+ year olds doesn't cut it! It's laughable that you'd have calzaghe ahead of pacquiao! Just say the #1 spot is "vacant" or make some case that Marquez should be #1, don't reach and say calzaghe, lol.
Just like B-Hop was default when Roy lost. Mayweather was the P4P because he dispatched each opponent handily and was undefeated (Can't see how that's overrated since not too many fighters retire an undefeated champ). Yeah, thyroid problems and all, Hop and his old ass went on to whoop and young Pavlik so a I'll take that notch for Cal. The Jones fight is equivalent to the DLH fight so I didn't mention it (and any fighter can get knocked down at anytime, but the beating Jones got after the knock down, you must've missed that). Oh, and Pac stealing a win over Marquez gets him the P4P??? Come on now. He stole a draw after being outboxed in the first fight(granted he did knock him down in the 1st round), but the second one, stop it. Vacant sounds good to me until someone steps up and really proves they are the P4P. Not a default
Stop. Seriously. First fight should have been a win for pac, not a draw, since one of the judges admitted to scoring the first round incorrectly, which would have gave pac the W. But that is irrelevant since that fight was nearly 5 years ago anyways and really has nothing to do with today's standings (as well as the fact pacman has improved a lot since then). 2nd fight was very close, I scored it for Pac the knockdown being the difference.
Ok, so Calzaghe's win over 43 year old Hopkins alone gives him pound 4 pound status??? crazy talk. Why wasn't Jermaine Taylor #1 after beating hopkins twice then, and this when Hopkins was a lot closer to his prime? (albeit still 40 years old)
Ok, so Calzaghe's win over 43 year old Hopkins alone gives him pound 4 pound status??? crazy talk. Why wasn't Jermaine Taylor #1 after beating hopkins twice then, and this when Hopkins was a lot closer to his prime? (albeit still 40 years old)
You mean that 1st round was enough to win the fight? You can't be serious? He got counterpunched to death in both fights... I admit Pac got better and fought better in the second fight, but still lost IMO. Not a big Marquez fan so I didn't care he lost. And the fact you brought Taylor's name up means you are seriously reaching now. You know just like I know, he lost at least one of those fights (the first one) LOL. That B-Hop was loss was a young lion getting the win over the presumed washed up old lion on his way out. They thought Taylor was more bankable (similar to how Mosley got robbed by Cotto), and again you see how that ended up.
He knocked him down 3 times in the first round. that's a 10-6 round. Marquez put on one hell of a performance after that but that is not the only round Pacquiao won. I don't remember what my scores were since it's been a couple years since watching it.
I'm not going to debate the 2nd fight since it was so close there is an arguement for each fighter the decision could have gone either way. Personally I scored it 6 rounds a piece with the knock down being the difference. Marquez is the best counterpuncher in the game, he's a savage which is why I got him just below pacman at #2.
I brought up taylor to prove exactly that point! Taylor getting two gift decisions, or at best deserved one very very close win, was not enough to make him pound 4 pound #1 fighter in the world, just like a controversial split decision of 43 year old hopkins (hella people scored it for bhop) does not earn Joe the #1 spot!
I'm glad we can atleast agree on the taylor/hopkins fights
I'm not going to debate the 2nd fight since it was so close there is an arguement for each fighter the decision could have gone either way. Personally I scored it 6 rounds a piece with the knock down being the difference. Marquez is the best counterpuncher in the game, he's a savage which is why I got him just below pacman at #2.
I brought up taylor to prove exactly that point! Taylor getting two gift decisions, or at best deserved one very very close win, was not enough to make him pound 4 pound #1 fighter in the world, just like a controversial split decision of 43 year old hopkins (hella people scored it for bhop) does not earn Joe the #1 spot!
I'm glad we can atleast agree on the taylor/hopkins fights
I might not agree with half the stuff you present, but I'm a fair dude. Taylor took one and lost one (Both fights were close). I don't necessarily believe Cal is P4P. My point is the number 1 is a toss up, and public opinion is why Pac has it. I was showing you that you could make a case why Pac shouldn't be P4P. All this because I would like to see Pac fight Mosley? Shit I think Hatton has the edge in that fight. This will be Pac's biggest challenge to date against Hatton. Hatton is gonna pressure him and throw bombs the whole fight. Pac's not a body technician like Mayweather so how will he slow him down?
If Pac beats Hatton (He won't dominate him though), who is still in his prime, he would definitely have a clear case at being the P4P. Don't get me wrong, I have watched Pac grow leaps and bounds. He's one fighter who has learned from his past mistakes, and become a better fighter because of it. He has power in both hands so Hatton will have to respect that or get knocked out. It's gonna be a brawl and whoever has the stronger chin will win.
It should be an entertaining violent fight, I just don't see how hatton can beat pacman. I think hatton has faded a bit since Tzu, he basically looked like shit in his last several fights, besides against that guido fuck pauli magga..whatever and Castillo who was shot. But I suppose Mayweather sr. could also be a reason why he looked good against Pauli.
Yeah it's going to be a good fight because Hatton has improved under the training of Mayweather Sr. But he was walking into punches the whole fight against Mayweather Jr. Mayweather fights going backwards... Manny doesn't fight like that. It's going to be a war no doubt, but Pacman is going to take him out eventually.
I'll be surprised if Pac can do it. He blew Malanaggi out the water with his power and the help from Mayweather Jr and Malanaggi was supposed to be the slick boxer. Can Pac take that type of pressure and power? Never seen Pac in a fight with a pressure fighter. he is normally the aggressor, but two aggressive cats, and this should be the fight of the year if they both come forward. Should be fireworks the whole way. Pac better not have a suspect chin, cause if he do, I give the power edge to Hatton, cause he's definitley gonna test that chin, and gut. Boxing skil level, I'd say they are very similar. Neither one is a boxing tech, but they won't have to be coming right at each other. Hatton is taller and they both are easy to hit. Hatton is by far the superior body puncher and he can wear Pac down with those shots.