"Mohammad Is a Pig"

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Who does not see this as a spit in the face of the fallen civilians, police, firefighters, pilots, & cabin crew that died on 9/11/01?

I say it is.

Why does it have to be @ Ground Zero?

Who are they honoring? The asshole 'Martyrs' flying the planes?
Shea,, to associate one of the world's largest religions (essentially 1/3 of the entire world) with the single act of 9/11 is flat out wrong.

It shows that we as Americans really need to broaden our understanding and perspective.

9/11 was no more a Muslim act of terror than the bombing of the Oklahoma City building was a christian act (antigovernment militias regularly espouse Christianity), or the KKK lynchings in the name of God and Christianity were *Christian* attacks.

No one in their right mind would EVER protest a church being built next to the blown up federal building because Timothy McVeigh probably called himself a Christian, or attempt to ban a religion from being practiced because many of the worlds great mass murderes have used the excuse of God's righteous wrath in the commission of their great crimes.

On one hand you have 9/11 - a group of people who happened to be Muslim engaging in an act of terror that really had more to do with opposition to US regional allegiances (many of them Muslim governments) and international policy. Being from the Middle East, they attack under the banner of Islam.

On the other hand you have Islam - whose practice is generally as "peaceful" as any major world religion. You can find people killing for "Catholicism" in Ireland, or for "Christianity" in Africa.

The banner that you fly when you attack someone has less to do with the "bad" or "good" nature of your own religion but factors of geography; where you are from, how you were raised, your ethnicity, etc.

Had the hijackers been from Latin America, they may have used the guise of socialism, revolution, or social justice.

Had they been from America, they would likely have waged the act under the banner of freedom, democracy, or liberty. (Look at our justification for invading Iraq and Afghanistan)

Millions have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since we invaded under the guise of freedom and democracy. Can there now be neither freedom nor democracy in either of those countries? No, because invading a country forcefully is neither an organic act of free will by its people nor is it democratic.

In other words, the US invasions of those countries do not fully represent freedom and democracy, just as 9/11 does not represent Islam.

Defining an entire section of the world or an entire major world religion based on actions by an insane minority is at best short-sighted and at worst totalitarian.

America is acting like the villagers in a torch mob. Our democracy is *better* because we can (and should always) look past the simple distinctions that we use to divide and classify the rest of the world and allow everyone to partake in our society.

Banning the mosque based on some narrow idea of the meaning of Islam or 9/11 is not what we are all about. We should be *more* of an example and *more* accepting in the face of 9/11, not less, or else we run the risk of having the same mentality as those who perpetrated it..
 
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i have to keep reminding myself that mac jesus doesn't even live here, every other post he's complaining about America
 
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Shea,, to associate one of the world's largest religions (essentially 1/3 of the entire world) with the single act of 9/11 is flat out wrong.

It shows that we as Americans really need to broaden our understanding and perspective.

9/11 was no more a Muslim act of terror than the bombing of the Oklahoma City building was a christian act (antigovernment militias regularly espouse Christianity), or the KKK lynchings in the name of God and Christianity were *Christian* attacks.

No one in their right mind would EVER protest a church being built next to the blown up federal building because Timothy McVeigh probably called himself a Christian, or attempt to ban a religion from being practiced because many of the worlds great mass murderes have used the excuse of God's righteous wrath in the commission of their great crimes.

On one hand you have 9/11 - a group of people who happened to be Muslim engaging in an act of terror that really had more to do with opposition to US regional allegiances (many of them Muslim governments) and international policy. Being from the Middle East, they attack under the banner of Islam.

On the other hand you have Islam - whose practice is generally as "peaceful" as any major world religion. You can find people killing for "Catholicism" in Ireland, or for "Christianity" in Africa.

The banner that you fly when you attack someone has less to do with the "bad" or "good" nature of your own religion but factors of geography; where you are from, how you were raised, your ethnicity, etc.

Had the hijackers been from Latin America, they may have used the guise of socialism, revolution, or social justice.

Had they been from America, they would likely have waged the act under the banner of freedom, democracy, or liberty. (Look at our justification for invading Iraq and Afghanistan)

Millions have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since we invaded under the guise of freedom and democracy. Can there now be neither freedom nor democracy in either of those countries? No, because invading a country forcefully is neither an organic act of free will by its people nor is it democratic.

In other words, the US invasions of those countries do not fully represent freedom and democracy, just as 9/11 does not represent Islam.

Defining an entire section of the world or an entire major world religion based on actions by an insane minority is at best short-sighted and at worst totalitarian.

America is acting like the villagers in a torch mob. Our democracy is *better* because we can (and should always) look past the simple distinctions that we use to divide and classify the rest of the world and allow everyone to partake in our society.

Banning the mosque based on some narrow idea of the meaning of Islam or 9/11 is not what we are all about. We should be *more* of an example and *more* accepting in the face of 9/11, not less, or else we run the risk of having the same mentality as those who perpetrated it..
This post will be ducked worse then floyd mayweather ducks pacquiao
 
May 9, 2002
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Do I stand by my original post & say I still think this mosque being built next to the ground zero site, in spite, when these exteremists did this in the name of that religion? Yup.
The thing is though, its NOT a mosque being built there. Its a COMMUNITY CENTER, more or less. This is explained in the Olberman video.

The media got a hold of this story and turned it into anti-Muslim propaganda...shocking.

If people REALLY want to find someone to blame for all these stories about attacks and protests...blame the media. They have been one of the best story spinners for the last 60 years. And with the age of the internet, it is all the more potent.
 
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i love to cry about shit that i never actually experienced myself, that happened before my great grand parents were born
Damn negro, you don't know Calm 1 like that. Stop being so damn insecure about our collective history of shitting on Native Americans. The tribal lands and reservations are in bad condition because of the "Americanization" of the youth, which has turned them into drug addicts, alcoholics and women abusers. There was once a time where Native American tribes had Elder Women in charge, and respect was given to the mothers since without her giving birth you wouldn't be able to come into this world.

Now the rape and molestation rates are alarming, because the young men of these reservations have lost all confidence and love for themselves, and in turn take it out on their own women.

Of course your gonna spin this in your conservative bigot lens. Some people are just shit wipes I guess.
 
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So since many of you come to the defense of Islam in this thread about how a small minority painting the rest in a bad light and it shouldn't really be an issue about building a masque near ground zero.

Now that's a good point but answer me this:

Were any of you defending police officers in the Oscar Grant thread?? Or any other police brutality thread for that matter? We know that it's just a small amount of cops that paint most in a bad light too right?
 
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I'm lit as fuck and wondering what you motherfuckers bickering about...................

like Imma take my time and read all the non-sense...
 
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So since many of you come to the defense of Islam in this thread about how a small minority painting the rest in a bad light and it shouldn't really be an issue about building a masque near ground zero.

Now that's a good point but answer me this:

Were any of you defending police officers in the Oscar Grant thread?? Or any other police brutality thread for that matter? We know that it's just a small amount of cops that paint most in a bad light too right?
I'm not against the people who are cops (because they themselves are usually just lost little boys and girls under all that armor and ammo, much like gang members), but I'm against the fact that we have the job of "cop" to fill in our society. But then again, I'm an anarchist and don't follow the ideology that people are actually "bad in nature". I think they do hurtful things to others and themselves because they have been hurt before and fear what else is in this world due to that pain. It's just the continuation of the cycle that saddens me.
 

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So since many of you come to the defense of Islam in this thread about how a small minority painting the rest in a bad light and it shouldn't really be an issue about building a masque near ground zero.

Now that's a good point but answer me this:

Were any of you defending police officers in the Oscar Grant thread?? Or any other police brutality thread for that matter? We know that it's just a small amount of cops that paint most in a bad light too right?
 
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"Divided We Fall"

Apparently, Islamic Extremists were able to achieve their mission of dividing the people of the United States of America.

Instead of embracing the fact, luxury, privilege of being an American. People in America have drawn battle lines with each other.:

Liberal vs. Conservative, Christian vs. Muslim, Protestant vs. Catholic, Rich vs. Poor, Black vs. White, Brown vs. Black, Homo vs. Hetero, Immigrants vs. Citizens, Urban vs. Rural, I could go on and on with all the battle lines being established within the U.S. social structure.

If Muslims in America, don't have the same rights as Christians in America, that opens up the rationale that Blacks in America shouldn't have the same rights as Whites in America... Didn't America just right this wrong,with the Civil Rights Movement???

The brave soldiers that were sent to war, to spread freedom, get to return to a SCARED nation, once again heading down the road of intolerance.

smh.........
 
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So since many of you come to the defense of Islam in this thread about how a small minority painting the rest in a bad light and it shouldn't really be an issue about building a masque near ground zero.

Now that's a good point but answer me this:

Were any of you defending police officers in the Oscar Grant thread?? Or any other police brutality thread for that matter? We know that it's just a small amount of cops that paint most in a bad light too right?
terrible example. Police brutality is a big problem and as we know, the police are apart of an oppressive apparatus.
 
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So since many of you come to the defense of Islam in this thread about how a small minority painting the rest in a bad light and it shouldn't really be an issue about building a masque near ground zero.

Now that's a good point but answer me this:

Were any of you defending police officers in the Oscar Grant thread?? Or any other police brutality thread for that matter? We know that it's just a small amount of cops that paint most in a bad light too right?

Wrong all cops are asshole power tripping fuckers. That's a fact.