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Apr 25, 2002
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Mcleanhatch said:


now i aint saying alcohol is good or bad but there is no way in hell that you can compare it to other hard drugs.

example
1. alcohol cant/ wont kill you with 1 shot

1A. crack can kill you with 1 shot

1B. Heroin can kill you with 1 shot

1C. crystal can kill you with 1 shot.

the majority of the people in this country use alcohol socially and in small amounts. which doesnt directly affect their lives personally and socially.

how much crack can be used in a social atmosphere.

instad of a father and son having a beer can you see them smoking crystal meth.

the thing is its not the same and it never will be. and it is a fallicy to compare the two as being simular. using such comparison will lead you down a slippery slope.
Well you are trying to compare and unregulated crack to a regulated alcohol. Sorry but that is not a fair comparison at ALL...Alcohol can kill you with 1 shot it depends on the percentage of alcohol being served to you. But we will never serve you alcohol strong enough to kill you with 1 shot. However with Crack anything goes, it's U N R E G U L A T E D. A regulated version of crack would be a lot different...
 
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Mcleanhatch said:


no street gangs now adays are not controlling drug-trafficking.

they may control drug dealing in the streets but that is different from trafficking which they do not control
The point is that gangs were controlling illegal product on the streets. And like it does in certain neighborhoods violence played a big issue....Very strong similiarities...
 
Apr 25, 2002
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LMAO!! @ Slippery Slope, then slip me up....I ain't affraid to admit when I slip up.

1) If all drugs were legal, addicts would no longer pay black market prices to criminals for questionable origins of where the drug was produced. The truth is that people would get drugs produced by pharmaceutical compaines and pay market prices. People would no longer die from buying toxic drugs....

2) If all drugs were legal, addicts could seek help by going to doctors, and not have to worry about seeking prosecution because of their medical problems.

3) If all drugs were legal, criminal drug dealers would no longer be on our streets. When the prohibition act of the 20's was waved a lot of secret taverns and bars were put out of business. They couldn't compete with the low, free-market prices for drugs sold at pharmacies. Do you see people selling bootleg beer? Nah not at all

4) If all drugs were legal, our prisons would be emptied of hundreds of thousands of non-violent people who have never done harm to anyone else but themselves. No longer would over crowded prisons cause truly violent criminals to be free on early release and plea bargains to terrorize the rest of us. Can I get an Amen?

5) If all drugs were legal, law enforcement resources would be available to FIGHT violent crimes.

6) If all drugs were legal, much of the street violence would end as it did when Alcohol Prohibition ended because gangs of thugs would no longer be fighting over drug territories.

7) If all drugs were legal, police corruption would strongly drop due to criminals no longer being able to bribe weaker cops.

8) If all drugs were legal, the government could no longer use the Drug War as an excuse to tear up the Bill of Rights and pray into your bank account, strip-search you at an airport, tear your car apart, monitor your e-mail, without even charging you with a crime. I don't know about yall but I sure hate it when a cop pulls me over because there suspicious that I may have something on me..

Quit being afraid...and you made a comment about "can you imagine father and son smoking crack instead of drinking bear" or something like that, what about that drunk father and son that jumped the KC first base coach? I agree in somewhat there are some moral problems with legalizing all drugs...But if you look at it from an economic sense, or look at it from the perspective I just posted the YOU CAN'T deny the world would be better.
 
May 8, 2002
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Tenkamenin said:
4) If all drugs were legal, our prisons would be emptied of hundreds of thousands of non-violent people who have never done harm to anyone else but themselves.

i am kind of lost here. 100's of 1000's.. i get the impression that your talking about users. if so i will repeat users are not sent to prison 1st, 2nd, and even 3rd time offenders are sentenced to drug rehab programs. now if they dont straighten out by then, then they do deserve to be put in prison
 
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Mcleanhatch said:


now i aint saying alcohol is good or bad but there is no way in hell that you can compare it to other hard drugs.

example
1. alcohol cant/ wont kill you with 1 shot

1A. crack can kill you with 1 shot

1B. Heroin can kill you with 1 shot

1C. crystal can kill you with 1 shot.

the majority of the people in this country use alcohol socially and in small amounts. which doesnt directly affect their lives personally and socially.

how much crack can be used in a social atmosphere.

instad of a father and son having a beer can you see them smoking crystal meth.

the thing is its not the same and it never will be. and it is a fallicy to compare the two as being simular. using such comparison will lead you down a slippery slope.
if u see it that way then u can compare Weed to crack, heroin, or crytal......alcohol can kill in large doses....dunno if weed can do that.

they're all drugs.
 
May 8, 2002
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Tenkamenin said:
Quit being afraid...and you made a comment about "can you imagine father and son smoking crack instead of drinking bear" or something like that, what about that drunk father and son that jumped the KC first base coach?
that is 1 isolated incident that doesnt happen regularly

Tenkamenin said:
I agree in somewhat there are some moral problems with legalizing all drugs..
alote of moral problems. and its not like it is a small problem, without morals we are worthless as a whole.


Tenkamenin said:
But if you look at it from an economic sense, or look at it from the perspective I just posted the YOU CAN'T deny the world would be better.
now here i also disagree. in an economic sense it would fuck up the entire country. let me just touch broadly on a few topics.

1. poor people that are hooked on them are still going to steal (violently at times) to supply their habits.

2. non-poor people who can pay for their (drugs) are going to perform bad at work, school, or whatever they do. which can in turn lead to their firing at which time might lead to them being poor (then read #1)

3. people in important local positions like (liberal minded) teachers, managers, shift managers, restaurantuers, can be in an altered states which in turn can lead to all of the above again, bad decisions at work, ect. ect. ect

Tenkamenin said:
I agree in somewhat there are some moral problems with legalizing all drugs..

But if you look at it from an economic sense, it would be better.
and lastly we all should have more morals than to believe that
 
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nefar559 said:
if u see it that way then u can compare Weed to crack, heroin, or crytal......alcohol can kill in large doses....dunno if weed can do that.

they're all drugs.
as i have repeatedly said HARD DRUGS. i even in a couple posts before the 1 you quoted stated the weed shouldnt be considered in the same catagory as the hard drugs (or something to that nature). go up and check if you dont believe
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Mcleanhatch said:


that is 1 isolated incident that doesnt happen regularly



alote of moral problems. and its not like it is a small problem, without morals we are worthless as a whole.



now here i also disagree. in an economic sense it would fuck up the entire country. let me just touch broadly on a few topics.

1. poor people that are hooked on them are still going to steal (violently at times) to supply their habits.

2. non-poor people who can pay for their (drugs) are going to perform bad at work, school, or whatever they do. which can in turn lead to their firing at which time might lead to them being poor (then read #1)

3. people in important local positions like (liberal minded) teachers, managers, shift managers, restaurantuers, can be in an altered states which in turn can lead to all of the above again, bad decisions at work, ect. ect. ect



and lastly we all should have more morals than to believe that
1) What are you talking about? It does happen often, people get drunk and do stupid shit...Did you hear about a Raider fan that stabbed a Charger fan last year? He was way way way drunk when he committed that crime...Gee wiz....And thats not the only bullshit that happens, what about driving drunk and hitting some person on the streets? Is that not a crime also?

2) Look if I decide to have a 5 shots before I go to work that is my problem, there are consequences for that and firing is one of them. I see that as no different as me using regulated crack before I go to work. I still have a risk of getting fired. Explain to me how one is different then the other? We are in altered states regardless..My thinking is no more wavered under regulated crack then it is with alcohol. As a boss, I don't care what altered your mind the fact is you came into my job not being mentally capable enough of completing your task.

Your whole question isn't making much sense because who in there right mind is dumb enough to come into there job high? Just like who is dumb enough to come into there job drunk? That tells me 2 things if you are capable of something soo stupid...

a) You really shouldn't have the job because you clearly don't care if you get fired or not.

b) You're dumb as fuck...

3)People can be in altered states if they drink, thats there choice. If you decide to drink before you come to a job you will not be capable of making proper decisions.
 

EDJ

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AMEN AFRIKA A.K.A "TENKAMENIN".

ABOUT TIME YOU SHOWED UP. I AgREE WITH EVERYTHANg YOU STRESSED.

MCLEANHATCH,
JUST CAUSE DRUgS ARE LEgAL DON'T MEAN MORE PEOPLE WILL USE THEM AND THAT JOBS WILL SEE IT AS O.K TO USE THEM.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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EDJ said:
AMEN AFRIKA A.K.A "TENKAMENIN".

ABOUT TIME YOU SHOWED UP. I AgREE WITH EVERYTHANg YOU STRESSED.

MCLEANHATCH,
JUST CAUSE DRUgS ARE LEgAL DON'T MEAN MORE PEOPLE WILL USE THEM AND THAT JOBS WILL SEE IT AS O.K TO USE THEM.
Exactly...he's going to have to comeback in here and defend his position better because he's starting to slip...
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Sergeant Hustle said:
My boy went to jail 5 years ago on a crack case for dealing. They seized all his assets, sent him to the federal prison for 15 years and house him next to violent criminals like murderers, rapists, and pedofiles.

He works 12 hours a day for one dollar a day making furniture that the prison (operated as a private corporation to *make* money....which has also been know to *shut off water* for days in a row to *save money* and in turn *create more revenue*) sells for hundreds of dollars per piece.

And they say slavery *ended* how many years ago? Or did it really?
A kid(your boy) disobeyed his parents(the law) and they made him do work(make furniture) as a punishment(prison sentence).

You consider that slavery?
 
Apr 26, 2002
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In my opinion people are more likely to use them if they are illegal...why do you think we have such a big underage drinking problem, other countries that dont stress it as much seem to have less of a problem than we do...
 
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as long as inprisonment makes economical sense to america jailing people for pety things will be the status quo.

Tenkamenin has had quite a few good points.

think with me. what makes more economical sense:

fighting the war on drugs on the people who supply and import the drugs? or fighting the war on drugs against the people who are end users and/or sellers that you can pimp in the prison system?

think about it. originally the war on drugs was to stop the sell of drugs because it was hurting the american economy. but now that they found a solution to that "prison pimping" they really dont care about the big wigs importing the shit. just the small fry that can give the states 20 years of free labor :)

the game is a muthafuka

it dont take a genius

marinara
 
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XianeX said:
as long as inprisonment makes economical sense to america jailing people for pety things will be the status quo.

Tenkamenin has had quite a few good points.

think with me. what makes more economical sense:

fighting the war on drugs on the people who supply and import the drugs? or fighting the war on drugs against the people who are end users and/or sellers that you can pimp in the prison system?

think about it. originally the war on drugs was to stop the sell of drugs because it was hurting the american economy. but now that they found a solution to that "prison pimping" they really dont care about the big wigs importing the shit. just the small fry that can give the states 20 years of free labor :)

the game is a muthafuka

it dont take a genius

marinara
right wingers at work