Modern Day Slavery

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

pitty4thebitti said:

ok, i got ya, about Nefar he usually doesnt answer questions where the answer totally goes against his beliefs.

if you go back and check i also asked him a question that last 2 days and maybe 4 or 5 pages also and i asked him the question every time i posted a response yet he never answered it. and actually quite frankly said that he wouldnt answer it!

EDJ · Dec 11, 2002

MCLEANHATCH,

YOU STRESSED, "because society would be chaotic if drugs were legal"

HOW IS THAT? SOCIETY IS ALREADY CHAOTIC. ALCOHOL AND NICOTINE IS LEgAL. I BET THEM TERRORIST BOMBED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CAUSE THEY WAS ON DRUgS HUH?

THEN YOU STRESS, "if you only knew"

I KNEW WHAT? YOUR COMMENTS MAKES YOU SOUND LIKE YOU NEVA BEEN THRU LIFE WITH YOUR EYES OPENED. I NEVA IMPLIED THAT YOU "WERE" A SQUARE BEAR, BUT I TOOK IT THAT YOU MIgHT BE LIKE THAT WITH YOUR VIEWS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "exactly who is going to shell out the millions or billions that it is going to take to build and up keep this programs. (you know the USA cant just go turn the money machine on and start printing money like it was toilet paper"

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MAKIN' NEW PRISONS, THERE AIN'T NO PROBLEM IN SHELLIN' OUT MONEY RIgHT? I gUESS THE SAME MONEY USED TO HOUSE INMATES AND PROCESS THEM THRU THE SYSTEM UNECCESARILY IS THE SAME MONEY THAT CAN BE USED TO DETOUR INDIVIDUALS INTO A LIFE OF CRIME.

THEN YOU STRESS, "need help, drug dealers arent sick and dont need help. they know they are breaking the law and they know what the consequences are before they did it. so why do you say they need help? drug dealing is no infectious disease."

THIS JUST LET'S ME KNOW HOW LIMITED AND BIAS YOUR VIEWS ARE. N-E-BODY CAN BE A DRUg DEALER. THE LUST FOR MONEY IS A DISEASE. SURVIVAL IS A MUST AND IF I ONLY SEE HUSTLIN' AS A WAY OUT OF MY PREDICAMENT AND PROBLEMS, THEN BEST BELIEVE I'M gONNA TAKE THAT ROUTE. BUT AS I SAID, MONEY ALWAYS MAKES YOU WANNA MAKE MORE MONEY, AND JUST LIKE A DRUg, YOU gET HOOKED TO THAT, TO WHERE EVERYTHANg ELSE IS SECONDARY.

THEN YOU STRESS, "whos fault is that. they can go look for a job just like every1 else does. they are not forced to sell drugs are they?

IT'S THE SYSTEMS FAULT FOR CREATIN' THE SITUATION. BUT IT'S ALSO THE INDIVIDUALS FAULT FOR gOIN' THAT ROUTE AND RISKIN' TAKIN' PENITENTIARY CHANCES. BUT IF DRUgS WERE LEgAL, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE BIAS LAWS. IF JOBS WERE PLENTIFUL, AND HIRED BROTHAS OFF TOP THEN WE WOULDN'T RESORT TO SLANgIN'. IF THIS WORLD WAS DIFFERENT AND IF IT WAS PERFECT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS, RIgHT?

THEN YOU STRESS, "for crimes they have commited against society!"

WHY? CAUSE SOMEBODY LABELS SOMETHIN' BREAKIN' THE LAW? BUT IS THE PUNISHMENT JUSTIFIED BY THE ALLEgATION?

THEN YOU STRESS, "no it is the person who broke the law that would rather run the chance of getting caught and wasting their life away."

DRUg LAWS ARE BIAS. IF I'M RISKIN' IMPRISONMENT, THE SENTENCE IS TOO HARSH AND A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY FOR THE CONVICTION. IT NOT ONLY WASTES PEOPLES TIME, BUT YOUR TAX PAYER MONEY THAT YOU ARE SO ABRUPTLY CRYIN' ABOUT.

THEN YOU STRESS, "the root of the problem is irrelevent to the crime commited. i mean ya im all for looking into the root of it, but not into giving criminals a free pass just because they are poor and live in the ghetto. that is no excuse period. and that is why it is unacceptible~!"

"THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS IRRELEVANT"? MAN, NOW I REALLY KNOW THAT YOU ARE SUPERFICIALLY LOOKIN' AT THIS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TALKIN' ABOUT. THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE MATTER, AND THAT APPLIES TO EVERY AND N-E-THANg. AND FOR YOU TO LABEL PEOPLE CRIMINALS IS ANOTHA INDICATION THAT YOU SIMPLY DON'T gIVE A FUK AND PUT YOURSELF ABOVE MUTHA-FUKAS LIKE YOU'RE BETTER. OPEN YOUR EYES. THANgS AIN'T ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM.

Sergeant Hustle · Dec 11, 2002

Period point blank....whether drugs are legal or illegal, people want to and will find a way to get high.

Ever seen Chris Rock's Bring the Pain?

"Muh fuckaz be sittin in their basements becomin' rocket scientists and shit.....check this out check this out.....if you take a lima bean, put it in a baby bottle with some gasoline and suck it, you'll be FUUUCKED UP!"

LMAO!

Drugs might as well be legal. Alcohol is. People are going to sell it and do it. People who don't do it now are not going to start just because it is legal. It takes a certain personality to smoke crack. It takes a certain personality to drink and smoke. It takes a certain personality to kill someone. Those personalities exist whether the vice is legal or illegal.

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

EDJ said:

right people need to be punished for breaking the law.

EDJ said:

if they only see hustling as a way out then they are narrow-minded

EDJ said:

no. the system doesnt force any1 (with the exception of the military) to choose the path which they choose. so blaming it on the system is just a cop-out. but nothing is ever perfect so we need not think about "what-ifs"

EDJ said:

yes it is. i mean these people are selling hard drugs crack/meth/heroin. these drugs kill. therefore these dealers are selling drugs to people who are overdosing and dying. now you really mean to tell me that isnt crimes against society.

EDJ said:

well most "users" go thru several programs before they actually spend time in jail. now dealers are another story.

EDJ said:

if you read my statement i said i wwas for looking into the problems and trying to fix it, but and i stress but, that in no way gives drug dealers a free pass just because they are poor and/or live in the ghetto

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

so then under your premise, then maybe we should allow murder and not send killers to jail because people who are prone to kill will just kill either way, and therefore they shuldnt be imprisoned just because they killed some1. and there is no difference between shooting a guy point blank and/or selling him a hot dose that will instantly kill him ?

Sergeant Hustle · Dec 11, 2002

no, i think if you kill someone in cold blood that is much more sinister than selling someone drugs. it is calculating and shows a complete lack of mental control.

i think people need to be given more opportunities in general. the fact is, folks don't often make enough money to survive even working 40 hours a week. depending on where you live, half your paycheck goes to rent (as in my case). i have to stretch the rest of my cash to cover all my other bills and still eat. now if i am having problems, i can only imagine what someone with children is facing. what do you do if you cannot afford to feed your family? you find a side hustle. is it right? no. but when you are given only a limited amount of options, i can see how someone would easily fall into the drug game.

p.s. my brother died of a drug overdose in '97. he made the choice to shoot up the heroin that killed him. it was in his personality to be addicted and go overboard with everything. he wouldn't just eat a *bowl* of cereal. he'd eat the whole box. he was greedy and selfish and had chemical problems that made him the way he was. at 27 he was grown enough to make his own decisions, and he *chose* death. whether someone sold him that shit or he made it in the kitchen, he would've put getting high before anything else.

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

so then??????????^^^^^

Sergeant Hustle said:

but they knew what they were getting into and that they would be destroying lives of others. so hey if they get caught then they get what they deserve

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

Hell yeah....If you sell someone some coke, or weed, or whatever, they are WILLINGLY going along with it, and know what the consequences are......If you kill someone that's way more "sinister" as SH put it.....And it does show a lack of mental control...There's a million other ways to deal with shit than killing someone.

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

p.s. my brother died of a drug overdose in '97. he made the choice to shoot up the heroin that killed him. it was in his personality to be addicted and go overboard with everything. he wouldn't just eat a *bowl* of cereal. he'd eat the whole box. he was greedy and selfish and had chemical problems that made him the way he was. at 27 he was grown enough to make his own decisions, and he *chose* death. whether someone sold him that shit or he made it in the kitchen, he would've put getting high before anything else.

and Im sorry to hear about your brother

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Mcleanhatch said:

are you saying that the peopole buying it don't know what they're doing? Supply and demand!

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sixxness said:

Ok weed maybe because it isnt as bad. but do you honestly think that selling some1 something like crack/crystal meth/heroin, the seller doesnt know that there is a god chance that he/she is going to destroy/kill that person.

what has happened to the morals of people in todays society!!!!!!

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sixxness said:

that still doesnt make it right for people to sell it. and ya they do kow what they are doing . thats why that get busted also. first they get sent through programs to try and clean them up, after a couple fuck ups they then have to go to real jail.

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Mcleanhatch said:

Do you honestly think that the person buying it doesn't know that it could kill them? The person buying it is JUST as guilty as the person selling it. The person selling it knows what it will do, and the person buying it knows what the drugs will/can do to them.

Sergeant Hustle · Dec 11, 2002

i think they rationalize it in their minds and say "hey, if i don't sell it to them someone else will". a junkie is a junkie, and they are probably right. they WILL get their hands on drugs. my brother stole from me, my mom, his job, and everyone who gave him countless chances to get better. he went thru rehab and all that. he just didn't care. he wanted to get high high high high!

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Mcleanhatch said:

I NEVER said they didn't know what they are doing....or that it makes it right. People do what they have to do to survive...

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sixxness said:

thats exactly what i have been saying since i got into this discussion.

Sergeant Hustle · Dec 11, 2002

honestly i think that the seller and the user are equally addicted. they both need diversion.

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

That sounds a lot like my best friend right now.....He's 19 almost 20....He's just fuckin up......

ps. sorry to hear about your brother

I AM · Dec 11, 2002

Sergeant Hustle said:

Mcleanhatch · Dec 11, 2002

Sixxness said:

so its ok if the only thing i know and only way to make money is as an assasin, then it is OK

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