Miguel Cotto vs Sergio Martinez [June 7th]
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If Martinez managed to get a knockout shot and won the fight late, and been like "man I can't keep doing this" and retired lineage is broken anyway. I highly doubt he would've gotten in the ring with Golovkin or anyone else of importance either way it went.
If Floyd wins the lineal middleweight title off Cotto then so be it. Who could blame him or Cotto for making that fight? It's a big money fight, if Floyd wins and vacates it then the #1 and #2 can fight each for it. It would be no different than Martinez retiring from old age/injury.
If Floyd wins the lineal middleweight title off Cotto then so be it. Who could blame him or Cotto for making that fight? It's a big money fight, if Floyd wins and vacates it then the #1 and #2 can fight each for it. It would be no different than Martinez retiring from old age/injury.
Yes but at least if he retires, the #1 vs #2 at MW can fight, and so a new lineage begins. It creates clarity in the division, which is important.
Can't blame Cotto. But I see a worse scenario that could play out and that's these small guys milking the MW title against eachother for a couple of years. Floyd beats Cotto. Rematches Canelo at 155 (if Nelo beats Lara). Shit will drag on.
Can't blame Cotto. But I see a worse scenario that could play out and that's these small guys milking the MW title against eachother for a couple of years. Floyd beats Cotto. Rematches Canelo at 155 (if Nelo beats Lara). Shit will drag on.
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Who the hell wants to see a cotto mayweather rematch? Cotto got him a few times in the first fight, but Floyd basically dominated the whole fight, and it would be the same thing in a rematch. ESPECIALLY if they're fighting for a middleweight belt which Floyd would just give up anyways and go back to WW, no way in hell Floyd would fight golovkin
There's no reason for Mayweather/Canelo to take place at 155. It would actually benefit Floyd to have Canelo come in lighter. I can't imagine Floyd going on with anyone above 154 if he were to beat Cotto for the MW strap. It would soon be vacated and a new lineage could begin IF the #1 fights the #2. There's more divisions without a lineal champion than with one and it's sure as hell isn't cause the fights aren't available or because people are fighting guys out the class or any of that. Getting #1 to fight #2 isn't close to as easy as you're making it seem.
EDIT: To prove what I'm saying, in the division we're talking about. It took nearly 8 years after the lineal title was vacated for Hopkins to become lineal champion.
EDIT: To prove what I'm saying, in the division we're talking about. It took nearly 8 years after the lineal title was vacated for Hopkins to become lineal champion.
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It's also a built in excuse for every bigger MW for Cotto. "Cotto's not a real MW, he only weighed 155 for the Martinez fight" etc.. etc.. etc... Granted, he's small for the division but I don't like the moving up for one fight because you are pretty sure you can beat him, then moving back down if need be. Pacquiao did that with the Cotto fight after Clottey if y'all remember. He was ringside, saw how bad Cotto struggled against Clottey then literally said, "I want to fight him, I can beat him."
All these fighters are taking risk/reward fights. Like I said before, Cotto wouldn't have fought Martinez at 154 a couple years ago but NOW he challenges him at 160? I just really don't want to hear the "Floyd won the undisputed MW title" talk when they both fight at 155lbs either. I'd much rather see Canelo/Cotto IF Canelo beats Lara which is no easy task.
Cotto could also face any of the dudes that are at 154 and move up to challenge for the title and bank some good money over the next 2 years and say he had "defenses." It worked for Jermaine Taylor. All he fought there for awhile were 154lb guys.
All these fighters are taking risk/reward fights. Like I said before, Cotto wouldn't have fought Martinez at 154 a couple years ago but NOW he challenges him at 160? I just really don't want to hear the "Floyd won the undisputed MW title" talk when they both fight at 155lbs either. I'd much rather see Canelo/Cotto IF Canelo beats Lara which is no easy task.
Cotto could also face any of the dudes that are at 154 and move up to challenge for the title and bank some good money over the next 2 years and say he had "defenses." It worked for Jermaine Taylor. All he fought there for awhile were 154lb guys.
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I guess I wouldn't be shocked if it happened but neither of those guys on their own are breaking a million without a huge name opponent. I'd be surprised to see it do over 1.5 mill to be honest. Only Pacquiao, DLH, and Mayweather have done multiple million plus fights but Cotto did it twice against May and Pac.
Cotto did his thing last night, cant lie about that. I almost dropped some bread on Martinez(glad I didn't lol) but Sergio looked bad in there last night. Had no pop on his punches, looked aged, sluggish, and tired. Don't know where he goes from here, could've been the long layoff but at his age it doesn't look like he wants to or needs to continue.
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I am keeping it real. Many people myself included didn't think Taylor won either fight. A draw at Best. Certainly wasn't a robbery by any stretch of the imagination, even though Hopkins out landed Taylor in both fights. Seemed pretty obvious HBO was grooming Taylor to be the next star and probably a little biased judges but life goes on. Point is the lineal title kept going.
Exactly my point. There are hardly any legit lineal titles out there. This one we can trace back over a decade. Would be shame for it to be broken.
The reason why Floyd may rematch Canelo at 155+ is because of marketing. Floyd already beat him. They can say now Canelo will be even bigger and stronger at MW. They've already openly discussed desire to rematch Canelo (cus of the money obviously) so this is a good selling point, especially if Canelo officially moves up to MW.
Plus, if its 155 we're talking about a two pound difference. Floyd and Canelo fought at 153. 155 no big deal at all and technically MW.
The reason why Floyd may rematch Canelo at 155+ is because of marketing. Floyd already beat him. They can say now Canelo will be even bigger and stronger at MW. They've already openly discussed desire to rematch Canelo (cus of the money obviously) so this is a good selling point, especially if Canelo officially moves up to MW.
Plus, if its 155 we're talking about a two pound difference. Floyd and Canelo fought at 153. 155 no big deal at all and technically MW.
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I get what you're saying and I love lineal champions, as I'm sure I've made that clear through my posting. IMO it's the only title that matters in boxing, if you have that you're the man in your division and no belt stripping or politics can take that away from you.
In your scenario above though the lineage keeps going for a guaranteed 2 fights and who knows what happens after that. My point was that whatever happens is no different than Martinez retiring from injury/age because we'd be in the same situation. If the title is vacated there's no guarantee that 1 & 2 ever fight, just like if Floyd wins it and never defends it and moves back down, there's no guarantee that 1 & 2 ever fight.
I just don't like saying so and so shouldn't be lineal champion or he's unworthy especially after a performance like that. And if Floyd comes in at 155-160 and smokes Cotto than he's earned the middleweight lineal championship.
In your scenario above though the lineage keeps going for a guaranteed 2 fights and who knows what happens after that. My point was that whatever happens is no different than Martinez retiring from injury/age because we'd be in the same situation. If the title is vacated there's no guarantee that 1 & 2 ever fight, just like if Floyd wins it and never defends it and moves back down, there's no guarantee that 1 & 2 ever fight.
I just don't like saying so and so shouldn't be lineal champion or he's unworthy especially after a performance like that. And if Floyd comes in at 155-160 and smokes Cotto than he's earned the middleweight lineal championship.
I just don't agree. Would you feel better if they didn't agree to a catchweight and both came in at 155 anyway? He'd have beaten the man that beat the man, which is all that matters. Mine, yours or anyone else's opinion on Cotto talents won't change that.
If you want to be upset about the lineage, be upset with Martinez and his camp giving a crack at the lineal title at an undeserving challenger from another weight class and putting it in this position.
If you want to be upset about the lineage, be upset with Martinez and his camp giving a crack at the lineal title at an undeserving challenger from another weight class and putting it in this position.
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If they limit the fight at 160 and both come in at 155, it won't matter. Some people will bring that up arguing in the future, but it won't matter. To me though, it does taint it a little if Floyd negotiates that there has to be a 155lb catchweight. There's already 18 weightclasses as it is, there doesn't need to be a need for that crap.
And honestly, it's pretty lame if Floyd all of the sudden wants to challenge for the lineal Middleweight title when he didn't want any part of Sergio, not even <154 but all the sudden is willing to move up? That's weak.
And honestly, it's pretty lame if Floyd all of the sudden wants to challenge for the lineal Middleweight title when he didn't want any part of Sergio, not even <154 but all the sudden is willing to move up? That's weak.