Miguel Cotto vs Sergio Martinez [June 7th]
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exactly what I was thinking. As much as the HBO announcers were sucking Cotto's dick tonight, they had a good point that he never had a great trainer with the exception of Steward but he wasn't that great of a fit for Cotto. I thought Diaz was good but Cotto didn't have the same snap on his punches that he does now. He was impressive tonight.
If i was cotto i would not feel like a real 4 div world champ right now....if canelo beats lara i see it coming canelo vs cottto but i think cotto should fight ggg...beating devin and a guy with no knees dont make u it..i think cotto still shot to shit....dont forget who cotto beat to become a 154 champ another guy coming of knee surgery.. floyd cotto jr lol
I fucking told you guys Cotto is different. But the only way Cotto fights Canelo is if HBO buys off Canelo's Showtime ppv contract. It would be worth it cuz that fight can easily get 1.5 milli buys. But since HBO wants Froch vs JCC, then Cotto will get GGG on ppv. Bradley will get Marquez and Manny will get a GBP fighter.
He isn't, but Cotto Promotions is. TR and HBO are helping him out big time. What did Showtime do for him after he lost to Mayweather? Do I think Cotto is down to fight GGG? He fought Martinez, right? If Cotto fights Canelo, let's say, Canelo would want that fight in Vegas. GGG and Cotto at MSG would be easy, big time money. HBO would pay Cotto more money to fight GGG than to fight Canelo or anyone else. You think HBO or TR want Cotto to lose the title to Canelo, contracted to Showtime, or Quillin? Hell no. Canelo would have to wait his turn. And the way Cotto fought I don't think he would beat GGG, but he would survive the 12 rounds. Cotto would still be marketable vs Canelo no matter what. HBO and TR want JCC on Mex indy day, then Canelo Cotto on Cinco de Mayo, watch. Arum and DLH can't beat Floyd in the ring, so they want his pockets and brand to suffer instead.
Floyds pockets will not suffer but i agree Cotto will be back on HBO and Canelo staying on Showtime probably so there is a good possibility that Cotto fights GGG or some other "true" middleweight. Battle you dont always have to throw jabs at Floyd you know
Cotto doesn't have to prove he can beat a true middleweight cuz he just did. Martinez is much bigger then him and has been fighting at 160 for a while now dominating the division except GGG so its a weak argument for anyone to say Martinez is a small middleweight. If thats the case a middleweight fighter should have crushed him by now before Cotto did.
I wonder if yall would have stuck to the same script if Cotto would have stopped Martinez in the 1st round. Also Martinez wasnt the same the rest of the fight cuz of those knockdowns but oh i guess his knee made him fall down 3 times lol. People also having a hard time dealing with the fact Cotto cut the ring off well and Martinez couldnt handle the pressure. Martinez hasnt had to fight a fighter that can do it this well in a long time. Cotto is a 4 division champ deal with it
Cotto doesn't have to prove he can beat a true middleweight cuz he just did. Martinez is much bigger then him and has been fighting at 160 for a while now dominating the division except GGG so its a weak argument for anyone to say Martinez is a small middleweight. If thats the case a middleweight fighter should have crushed him by now before Cotto did.
I wonder if yall would have stuck to the same script if Cotto would have stopped Martinez in the 1st round. Also Martinez wasnt the same the rest of the fight cuz of those knockdowns but oh i guess his knee made him fall down 3 times lol. People also having a hard time dealing with the fact Cotto cut the ring off well and Martinez couldnt handle the pressure. Martinez hasnt had to fight a fighter that can do it this well in a long time. Cotto is a 4 division champ deal with it
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Let's follow the MW lineage. This is about the past 13 years or so.
-Bernard Hopkins unifies ALL titles, becoming the first unified, undisputed MW champ since Hagler.
-After over a decade of domination, and a MW record 20 title defenses, Jermaine Taylor "beats" 40 year old Hopkins to take the lineal crown.
-Undefeated Kelly Pavlik wins by sensational KO over Taylor.
-Sergio Martinez out boxes Pavlik over 12, becoming the first Argentine MW champ since the great Carlos Monzon.
-Sergio Martinez loses by stoppage to....Miguel Cotto?!
-Bernard Hopkins unifies ALL titles, becoming the first unified, undisputed MW champ since Hagler.
-After over a decade of domination, and a MW record 20 title defenses, Jermaine Taylor "beats" 40 year old Hopkins to take the lineal crown.
-Undefeated Kelly Pavlik wins by sensational KO over Taylor.
-Sergio Martinez out boxes Pavlik over 12, becoming the first Argentine MW champ since the great Carlos Monzon.
-Sergio Martinez loses by stoppage to....Miguel Cotto?!
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You never know man, Cotto never shied away from many fights. He may not fight Golovkin but I think he'll mix it up with MWs unless he's able to land a big payday with a rematch with Mayweather/Pacquiao. The difference in a Pacquiao fight is that it'd have to be 155 or above and this would heavily favor Cotto (although I doubt they fight each other with the whole Roach thing). I don't think it's a terrible thing that Cotto won, as long as he defends it and doesn't step down or vacate it.
Only "bad" thing would be if he rematches Mayweather cause I'm sure he'd lose and I'd bet large sums of money Mayweather would no interest in defending the belt and there would go that.
Only "bad" thing would be if he rematches Mayweather cause I'm sure he'd lose and I'd bet large sums of money Mayweather would no interest in defending the belt and there would go that.
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Cotto and Roach ain't stupid. Cotto will NOT fight GGG. He migh fight someone from 147 or154 @ a catchweight for the 160lb title. Or he might fight a 160lb paper champion or From-nowhere-mandatory -challenger but c'mon. Let's all admit that what we witnessed last night, no matter how impressive or heart-felt, will not play out to mean Cotto is the best guy at 160.
This was nothin short of what we learned when Broner got beat by Maidana. Not literally but the fact that sometimes we only witness a fall with a win, no matter how impressive the winner looked. When guys get old and lose BIG for the first time, it doent mean the victor is the new King.
Now we get to watch Top Rank try to have the Manny show w/ Cotto at 160. Catchweights, Style-catch22 fights, rematches etc while killing the chance for a true lineal champ.
My theory is out the window if Cotto does fight GGG.
But we all gotta know, Cotto ain't no defensive guru. We all gotta know Cotto only being hit 100times over 9 rounds ain't nothin to bank on. We all know that wasn't the Martinez who won all those fights dating back to Cintron. We all know Cotto gets the 1000yard stare and face opens up when he gets hit. I still stand by my prefight mental assesment of Cotto and his scar tissue its just Martinez wasn't in proper condition to expose that but BET THAT GGG WITH 100 punches landed in less than 9 rounds will
Cotto's Eulogy will be summed up in a broken english, eastern European accept, albeit with a smile, as a "Good Boy."
This was nothin short of what we learned when Broner got beat by Maidana. Not literally but the fact that sometimes we only witness a fall with a win, no matter how impressive the winner looked. When guys get old and lose BIG for the first time, it doent mean the victor is the new King.
Now we get to watch Top Rank try to have the Manny show w/ Cotto at 160. Catchweights, Style-catch22 fights, rematches etc while killing the chance for a true lineal champ.
My theory is out the window if Cotto does fight GGG.
But we all gotta know, Cotto ain't no defensive guru. We all gotta know Cotto only being hit 100times over 9 rounds ain't nothin to bank on. We all know that wasn't the Martinez who won all those fights dating back to Cintron. We all know Cotto gets the 1000yard stare and face opens up when he gets hit. I still stand by my prefight mental assesment of Cotto and his scar tissue its just Martinez wasn't in proper condition to expose that but BET THAT GGG WITH 100 punches landed in less than 9 rounds will
Cotto's Eulogy will be summed up in a broken english, eastern European accept, albeit with a smile, as a "Good Boy."
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I'm not a fan of catchweights but that doesn't kill anything for a chance for a true lineal champ because Cotto is the true lineal champ. Condition and excuses don't mean a thing when it comes to talking about lineage. Martinez was the man, they fought between 155-160 in a fight scheduled to go championship rounds and Cotto won, making him the man.
Middleweight doesn't mean just 160, it's a weight class not a target weight. I get the complaints but catchweights have taken place forever and we're speculating on who Cotto drops it too like it's guaranteed he'll lose to a welterweight that moved up to fight him or like Golovkin has some magical claim to it.
The only non middleweight I think would beat Cotto that would need a catchweight is Floyd. I'd pick Canelo/Lara over Cotto but they could both legitimately fight a middle and I'd pick Cotto over Pacquiao at 155+, this isn't Cotto coming in at 145..
Middleweight doesn't mean just 160, it's a weight class not a target weight. I get the complaints but catchweights have taken place forever and we're speculating on who Cotto drops it too like it's guaranteed he'll lose to a welterweight that moved up to fight him or like Golovkin has some magical claim to it.
The only non middleweight I think would beat Cotto that would need a catchweight is Floyd. I'd pick Canelo/Lara over Cotto but they could both legitimately fight a middle and I'd pick Cotto over Pacquiao at 155+, this isn't Cotto coming in at 145..
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He's gonna fight Floyd or maybe Canelo. Likely Floyd since Floyd basically ran out of opponents. Big money.
The only wrench that can be thrown into the machine here is technically RUBIO is the WBC mandatory and has been for some time. Why? Well, after he lost to Chavez, and the WBC "forgot" to drug test Chavez after the fight, Rubio complained. He sued the WBC and won. They then were forced to give Rubio his #1 challenger status back.
That's the only real MW I could see Cotto fighting. The WBC.will have to eventually force this fight, unless they fork over some "Please STFU and go away" money to Rubio. But Rubio has been very persistent with this, he was actively trying to fight Martinez and some whispers were the plan for Martinez (assuming he'd beat Cotto) was to have another home fight in Argentina, against Rubio.
The only wrench that can be thrown into the machine here is technically RUBIO is the WBC mandatory and has been for some time. Why? Well, after he lost to Chavez, and the WBC "forgot" to drug test Chavez after the fight, Rubio complained. He sued the WBC and won. They then were forced to give Rubio his #1 challenger status back.
That's the only real MW I could see Cotto fighting. The WBC.will have to eventually force this fight, unless they fork over some "Please STFU and go away" money to Rubio. But Rubio has been very persistent with this, he was actively trying to fight Martinez and some whispers were the plan for Martinez (assuming he'd beat Cotto) was to have another home fight in Argentina, against Rubio.
