Miguel Cotto vs Manny Pacquiao

[MOREBASS]

2-0 i forgot to say after your post even though i agree with most of what your saying theres the Marquez factor, Mayweather dominated a fighter that Manny had tons of problems with and most boxing experts thing Marquez won that 2nd fight

It makes no sense in comparing the two fights.


First of all: Mayweather fought Marquez at Welterweight. Marquez has done nothing at welterweight, and looked to be at his limit physically at 135. He had no business fighting at 147, and it showed. He looked horrible.

Second of all: Manny fought Marquez at Marquez' absolute best. Mayweather, you can argue fought him at his worst.


Besides, how they fared against each other has almost nothing to do with how they will fare against one another.

Styles make fights.

This can't be said enough. I'd still pick Miguel Cotto to beat Floyd Mayweather. He has the right style to do so, IMO.

 

[Tony]

LOL, you'd pick Cotto to beat Mayweather? Wow.... Cotto damn near got beat by Clottey who fights similar to Mayweather. If Cotto didn't score that early knockdown, Clottey would have won that fight. I don't see Cotto winning more than 2 rounds against Floyd. Floyd makes the fighters he fights look bad.

If anybody has the right style to beat Mayweather, it's Pac-Man.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah I agree with MOREBASS, the triangle theory in boxing dont work.

Taylor beat Hopkins
Pavlik KO'd Taylor
But Hopkins beats Pavlik

So using the theory, Pavlik should have beaten hopkins since hopkins lost to taylor (or at the very least had problems with him) but like morebass said styles make fights.

Marquez fights nothing like pacquiao.

 

[MOREBASS]

LOL, you'd pick Cotto to beat Mayweather? Wow.... Cotto damn near got beat by Clottey who fights similar to Mayweather. If Cotto didn't score that early knockdown, Clottey would have won that fight. I don't see Cotto winning more than 2 rounds against Floyd. Floyd makes the fighters he fights look bad.

If anybody has the right style to beat Mayweather, it's Pac-Man.

Yes, I would pick Cotto to beat Mayweather. Even after his last few wars.


He has a solid jab. Mayweather in all of his defensive greatness, just has a hard time dealing with the jab, when the person throwing it has good timing. Cotto has great timing.

Plus, Cotto knows how to cut off the ring very effectively...and didn't gas on Saturday...he was still up on his toes bouncing around (though not throwing very much) but he didn't look tired at all. In between rounds he was breathing normally.

Oh, and Clottey and Mayweather fight nothing alike.

The only similarity I see between the two is their skin tone. That-about-it.

Clottey is a flat footed fighter, who's main defense is his very high guard. Nothing like the shell defense that Mayweather uses. C'mon Tony! LOL

 

[T-Rip]

Yeah I agree with MOREBASS, the triangle theory in boxing dont work.

Taylor beat Hopkins
Pavlik KO'd Taylor
But Hopkins beats Pavlik

So using the theory, Pavlik should have beaten hopkins since hopkins lost to taylor (or at the very least had problems with him) but like morebass said styles make fights.

Marquez fights nothing like pacquiao.

only reason i brought up Marquez is cuz you said Mayweather has also not fought an all around great fighter but i say Marquez is a better fighter then Manny and Mayweather handled him with ease

 

[Tony]

Oh, and Clottey and Mayweather fight nothing alike.

The only similarity I see between the two is their skin tone. That-about-it.

Clottey is a flat footed fighter, who's main defense is his very high guard. Nothing like the shell defense that Mayweather uses. C'mon Tony! LOL

To me they do have similar styles.... they rarely engage in toe to toe action. They don't allow themselves to get hit much. They rarely throw flurries and they're more of counter punchers. Their styles are very similar in my opinion. They're more defensive fighters.

As for their skin tone, Clottey darker their tones look different to me.

 

[JReezelle]

but i say Marquez is a better fighter then Manny and Mayweather handled him with ease

cmon mayn keep it real...i think he's been pacquaio's best challenge as of late, but he ain't accomplishing the same shit manny is doin right now and i don't think he can. if marquez were to move up to fight manny at these weights he would be put to sleep.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

only reason i brought up Marquez is cuz you said Mayweather has also not fought an all around great fighter but i say Marquez is a better fighter then Manny and Mayweather handled him with ease

mayweather has fought great fighters but what I meant is he's never fought anyone like pacquiao before. I cant think of a single fighter in boxing, or really in history, that fights like pacquiao. That's what I meant - stylewise - neither manny or floyd has fought similar styles.

And imo Pacquiao is a better fighter than marquez, marquez is just a great counter puncher that matched up well with pacquiao. He's like Ali's Joe Frazier.

 

[naner12]

Clottey is a flat footed fighter, who's main defense is his very high guard. Nothing like the shell defense that Mayweather uses. C'mon Tony! LOL

When breaking down Margarito Vs. Mosley, Tony said that Mosley was gonna have a lot of problems because Margarito fights a lot like Vernon Forrest. He's the worst at breaking down styles that I've ever seen on possibly any forum that ever existed in the history of the internet.

No offense Tony but you're terrible at comparing people's styles.

 

[T-Rip]

cmon mayn keep it real...i think he's been pacquaio's best challenge as of late, but he ain't accomplishing the same shit manny is doin right now and i don't think he can. if marquez were to move up to fight manny at these weights he would be put to sleep.

get off his nuts already, Marquez has already out worked Manny twice. You Manny fans never cease to amaze me, I say Marquez would drop that foo' if they fought again

 

[drunkaholic707]

When breaking down Margarito Vs. Mosley, Tony said that Mosley was gonna have a lot of problems because Margarito fights a lot like Vernon Forrest. He's the worst at breaking down styles that I've ever seen on possibly any forum that ever existed in the history of the internet.

No offense Tony but you're terrible at comparing people's styles.

haha you should see the shit he says in the sports forum

 

[REdRUM]

LOL^




As far as Marquez goes, there's no bigger fan of his than me on here, lol. At 147, he would get destroyed by Pacquiao. He had no business fighting Mayweather there, and Floyd knew that. So, while he did fight a great fighter who gave Manny fits, it was at about 12-15 lbs over his true weight, and Floyd's natural weight. That is a HUGE advantage. Being able to make weight isn't the same as being able to fight at that weight.

At 130-135, Pacquiao and Marquez can give us a great fight. But Manny's body has developed more, and he's no longer in that weight class. He shouldn't move back down. I'd love to see them fight, but it doesn't make much sense for Manny to move down, or Marquez to move up.

LOL @ Clottey and Mayweather having similar styles. Floyd's defense is roll, slip, slide, duck, move...you get the picture. Clottey hides behind his guard. He's very flat-footed, unlike Floyd. Floyd is an excellent counter-puncher, with lightning speed. He's also extremely intelligent, and able to adjust to a situation or a fighter at the drop of a dime. Clottey has a game plan, and sticks to it...even if it's not working. lol.

And I think Floyd would outpoint Cotto, but not by a huge margin. Cotto does has provide an excellent match-up for Floyd, with his tremendous jab, good defense, and overall power. But I don't know how much he'd hit him.

 

[MOREBASS]

get off his nuts already, Marquez has already out worked Manny twice. You Manny fans never cease to amaze me, I say Marquez would drop that foo' if they fought again

I'd love to see a 3rd match, and I think...it would be a perfect farewell fight for Manny, assuming we get to see a Mayweather fight next.


Here's why I think that Manny would dominate.


Marquez, though he had two great come from behind victories at 135, looked to be much slower, and hittable in his fights moving up. You could blame it on the weight gain; but what's for sure is that he's definitely not a fighter who is getting any better.

Manny on the other hand, even after the Cotto fight, is looking more and more impressive in each fight moving up, and has kept his speed, looked to have more power and strength, and his confidence has got to be sky high right now.

I have no doubt that even if this fight took place at 140 (where I think it should) Manny would stop him in under 5 rounds. I'd bet the farm on it.

 

[WYNO707X4]

Paquiao ko 9th.... Is the punches that you don't see that hurt the most.cotto saw every punch coming from margarito.he won't see pacquiao's coming.just like hatton good night

I was so close on this one.I think paquiao could of finish in the 9th but he kinda backed off cotto.

 

[MOREBASS]

^ Definitely. And if Joe Santiago had the balls that a trainer is supposed to have, he should've stopped it and protected his fighter, and mostly his friend.

Anyone else catch this part of the post fight interview:

Larry Merchant: ...and you showed him no mercy...

Manny Pacquiao: *childish giggle and smile* hehe I knowww....


How can you not love this guy?! LOL

 

[JReezelle]

I say Marquez would drop that foo' if they fought again

now that's huggin some nuts and not keepin it real...manny just took cotto's best punches, but you think marquez wold drop him. keep it 100, marquez would be sleepin if he ever moved up in weight to fight manny.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I would like to say Pac vs Marquez III would be like the first 2, but I would be lying to myself. Manny has accelerated while Marquez has pretty much stayed the same.
Styles do make fights, and I wouldn't be too surprised if Marquez posed problems for Manny, but chances are that it would be over in less than 10.