Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito II
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lol great logic. Who are the elite fighters at 147-154?
Berto (#3 at WW)
Angulo (rated #2 at LMW)
Ryan Rhodes (rated #4 at LMW)
K9 (#10 at LMW)
Canelo (#9 at LMW)
Kirkland (unranked)
Cintron (rated #1 at LMW)
Sechew Powell (rated #5 at LMW)
Martinez
Out of these guys who beats Cotto?? Martinez and probably Kirkland.
Past their primes does not mean shot though. Again you are failing hard on your basic boxing terminology. Hopkins is way past his prime. Is he shot? Nope. Cotto is he past his prime? Sure. Is he shot? Nope.
Shit, you could even make the argument that both pac & floyd are a bit past their primes as well.
And yet he just won two big fights and is now a 140 pound champion so your logic is all screwed up. Judah is getting there, but he's not there yet. A shot fighter can't beat and cannot compete with elite fighters. Judah just did.
Berto (#3 at WW)
Angulo (rated #2 at LMW)
Ryan Rhodes (rated #4 at LMW)
K9 (#10 at LMW)
Canelo (#9 at LMW)
Kirkland (unranked)
Cintron (rated #1 at LMW)
Sechew Powell (rated #5 at LMW)
Martinez
Out of these guys who beats Cotto?? Martinez and probably Kirkland.
Past their primes does not mean shot though. Again you are failing hard on your basic boxing terminology. Hopkins is way past his prime. Is he shot? Nope. Cotto is he past his prime? Sure. Is he shot? Nope.
Shit, you could even make the argument that both pac & floyd are a bit past their primes as well.
And yet he just won two big fights and is now a 140 pound champion so your logic is all screwed up. Judah is getting there, but he's not there yet. A shot fighter can't beat and cannot compete with elite fighters. Judah just did.
1) 206-I understand that you love Cotto OK that's cool, but let's face facts. Cotto got three brutal beating and he got hit with a lot of punches by a 38 yr old Mayorga. Cotto does not look all that good anymore. At this point Kermit, Sergio, Kirkland, Angulo, and Berto will knock Cotto out.
2) Sergio is the only elite fighter on your list. All of those other guys listed have not beaten any elite fighters as of yet.
3) B-Hop has never been brutally beaten up in his whole career he's just old. Big difference between shot because of taking to much damage and getting old with age.
4) When Judah beats Kahn or Bradley at 140lb then come talk to me about a big win.
5) If Mosley comes out in the Manny fight gun shy and scared to throw punches like he looked from the 3rd on in the Mayweather fight then yes he is a shot fighter.
6) Why are you always defending the catch weight king Manny anyway?
7) After taking a brutal beaten and you not fighting the same anymore = SHOT fighter
2) Sergio is the only elite fighter on your list. All of those other guys listed have not beaten any elite fighters as of yet.
3) B-Hop has never been brutally beaten up in his whole career he's just old. Big difference between shot because of taking to much damage and getting old with age.
4) When Judah beats Kahn or Bradley at 140lb then come talk to me about a big win.
5) If Mosley comes out in the Manny fight gun shy and scared to throw punches like he looked from the 3rd on in the Mayweather fight then yes he is a shot fighter.
6) Why are you always defending the catch weight king Manny anyway?
7) After taking a brutal beaten and you not fighting the same anymore = SHOT fighter
lol I don't love cotto I don't know where you got that from. I like him as a fighter.
He didn't take three brutal beatings. He took 2. Clottey was not a brutal beating, it was a tough fight that he had a bad cut early in the right but not a "brutal beating" he won by decision.
then I seriously question your boxing knowledge if you truly think that.
BTW Berto could have fought Cotto instead of Mayorga, but Berto priced himself out as usual. I guess he's content fighting bums for life.
I'm saying the elite fighters in the division. The best the division(s).
Hopkins is past his prime. Matters not if he's taken beatings or not what we are talking about is what the difference between "past prime" is and "shot." Cotto is past his prime. Not shot.
Matthysse is a bigger win than you think. He's one of the best 140 pound fighters imo.
What if he comes out blazing lands some good shots on pacquiao but pac KO's him? You gonna give pac credit or call mosley shot? (I already know the answer)
Why you always going out your way to try and discredit him?
So pacquiao is a shot fighter since he got KO'd twice fairly brutally.
Thanks for playing
He didn't take three brutal beatings. He took 2. Clottey was not a brutal beating, it was a tough fight that he had a bad cut early in the right but not a "brutal beating" he won by decision.
then I seriously question your boxing knowledge if you truly think that.
BTW Berto could have fought Cotto instead of Mayorga, but Berto priced himself out as usual. I guess he's content fighting bums for life.
I'm saying the elite fighters in the division. The best the division(s).
Hopkins is past his prime. Matters not if he's taken beatings or not what we are talking about is what the difference between "past prime" is and "shot." Cotto is past his prime. Not shot.
Matthysse is a bigger win than you think. He's one of the best 140 pound fighters imo.
What if he comes out blazing lands some good shots on pacquiao but pac KO's him? You gonna give pac credit or call mosley shot? (I already know the answer)
Why you always going out your way to try and discredit him?
So pacquiao is a shot fighter since he got KO'd twice fairly brutally.
Thanks for playing
LOL, you're funny 206. First off you called Mosley shot after Mayweather beat him up easily, now that Manny is fighting him, he's not shot to you anymore? Which one is it? Truth is Mosley got beat up pretty badly by Mayweather and looked like shit in the Mora fight, so Manny should beat him up easily. You say i'm trying to discredit Manny but really all I'm doing is pointing out the truth. I didn't make Manny fight Maragarito or Cotto at a catch weight, nor did I make Manny fight Cotto, Maragarito, and now Mosley after they all had brutal beating losses. I just point out facts about Manny's match making. People say Mayweather dodged fights and all I do is point out that Manny does the same thing..
Cotto is still shot and he's going to get KO'ed out by Maragarito again.
Cotto is still shot and he's going to get KO'ed out by Maragarito again.
What are you talking about did you not see where I said to Tony "he (mosley) could very well be (shot)"???
And if you go back, I've always gave 100% credit to Floyd for his win over Mosley. Others on here said mosley was old or that shane "ran out of gas after round 2." Not me. I've always maintained it was a brilliant display of boxing on floyd's part, and pointed out that he was countering mosley to hell, and that once floyd got shanes timing & speed down it was a wrap for mosley. Floyd made amazing adjustments in that fight.
Cotto is not shot nor was he shot when pac fought him and he was a champion at welterweight. You also forget that pac was moving up in weight from 140 so it's even more impressive.
Mosley isn't the best option out there, I've always said that. Currently he's #5 ranked WW so he's not the worst either. I was actually in favor of Timothy Bradley at the time or a marquez trilogy. But it is what it is. Either Mosley shows up and puts up a good fight based on styles, or he doesn't. We'll have to see.
And you stated floyd & pac do the same thing (dodging fights), yeah right. Pac is actually fighting floyd been going on extended vacations and let's not forget Shane wasn't option number one for Pacquiao, that was floyd, who went on vacation. There are limited options for BOTH pac & floyd right now at welterweight besides fighting eachother.
And if you go back, I've always gave 100% credit to Floyd for his win over Mosley. Others on here said mosley was old or that shane "ran out of gas after round 2." Not me. I've always maintained it was a brilliant display of boxing on floyd's part, and pointed out that he was countering mosley to hell, and that once floyd got shanes timing & speed down it was a wrap for mosley. Floyd made amazing adjustments in that fight.
Cotto is not shot nor was he shot when pac fought him and he was a champion at welterweight. You also forget that pac was moving up in weight from 140 so it's even more impressive.
Mosley isn't the best option out there, I've always said that. Currently he's #5 ranked WW so he's not the worst either. I was actually in favor of Timothy Bradley at the time or a marquez trilogy. But it is what it is. Either Mosley shows up and puts up a good fight based on styles, or he doesn't. We'll have to see.
And you stated floyd & pac do the same thing (dodging fights), yeah right. Pac is actually fighting floyd been going on extended vacations and let's not forget Shane wasn't option number one for Pacquiao, that was floyd, who went on vacation. There are limited options for BOTH pac & floyd right now at welterweight besides fighting eachother.
Lat 5 fights are you serious? I can understand the argument with Mosley, that's fine. Even though Margarito was huge compared to pac, ok he got beat by mosley. Prior to that you had Clottey who was the highest rated available welterweight at the time. Solid win. Cotto was a champ at 147 and Pac was moving up from 140. Great win. Hatton was THE MAN at 140, the lineal champ. Great win. Oscar was three weight classes above pacquiao and he was the one that challenged pac. Prior to the fight people thought he would get killed. That was a risky move on his part. It's not his fault Oscar looked like shit.
Who the hell did he dodge at 140? Hatton was the lineal champ there and pac moved up from 135 pounds immediately to fight him. All the guys at that time at 140 were prospects, guys like bradley & alexander were just moving up the latter and would have had no business fighting pac. Let them fight him now that's easy pickings for pac (and then people would complain about that).
Yeah, cotto had to lose one extra pound moving down from 146 to 145. Let's not use that as excuse. Or we could discredit every catchweight fight - hopkins only beat pavlik because it was a catchweight, Gatti only beat Ward 2 times because they were catchweight fights, James Kirkland just KO'd some bum because it was a catchweight. Andy Lee just KO'd Craig McEwan because it was a catchweight. Martinez only KO'd Williams because it was a catchweight. Floyd only beat Marquez because it was a catchweight fight (even though floyd didn't make weight). I can go on and on and on.
No one seems to talk about the monthly catchweight fights in boxing only complain about the TWO that Pac had in his entire career. Bernard Hopkins has had four catchweight fights for comparison. Gatti also had four.
Who the hell did he dodge at 140? Hatton was the lineal champ there and pac moved up from 135 pounds immediately to fight him. All the guys at that time at 140 were prospects, guys like bradley & alexander were just moving up the latter and would have had no business fighting pac. Let them fight him now that's easy pickings for pac (and then people would complain about that).
Yeah, cotto had to lose one extra pound moving down from 146 to 145. Let's not use that as excuse. Or we could discredit every catchweight fight - hopkins only beat pavlik because it was a catchweight, Gatti only beat Ward 2 times because they were catchweight fights, James Kirkland just KO'd some bum because it was a catchweight. Andy Lee just KO'd Craig McEwan because it was a catchweight. Martinez only KO'd Williams because it was a catchweight. Floyd only beat Marquez because it was a catchweight fight (even though floyd didn't make weight). I can go on and on and on.
No one seems to talk about the monthly catchweight fights in boxing only complain about the TWO that Pac had in his entire career. Bernard Hopkins has had four catchweight fights for comparison. Gatti also had four.
For the record, I think Canelo could eek out a decision against Cotto if he didn't knock him out. I think Cotto would be running after 6 rounds or so. He's naturally too small to fight Canelo, skills or not.
I'm still curious to see this fight. Wouldn't be surprised to see either guy win. Margarito is God-awful slow now. He was slow before but it's really bad now. We'll see what happens I guess. I'm sure Steward won't let Cotto forget about punching Cotto to the body.
I'm still curious to see this fight. Wouldn't be surprised to see either guy win. Margarito is God-awful slow now. He was slow before but it's really bad now. We'll see what happens I guess. I'm sure Steward won't let Cotto forget about punching Cotto to the body.
He's trying to fight Floyd Mayweather so your argument fails.
I think martinez destroys margarito, cotto and just about anyone at 154 & 160. Only guys that could be a problem for him are Pirog at 160, James Kirkland at 154 (once he's fully back and ready which could be a years time at least) and I really don't know who else. There are some other talented up & coming 160 pounders but not ready yet.
I think martinez destroys margarito, cotto and just about anyone at 154 & 160. Only guys that could be a problem for him are Pirog at 160, James Kirkland at 154 (once he's fully back and ready which could be a years time at least) and I really don't know who else. There are some other talented up & coming 160 pounders but not ready yet.
Cotto is 30 years old and already past his prime. lol. Maragarito at 154 is too big and strong for Cotto. At fight time Maragarito will be around 165 -170lb. Cotto had a hard time keeping 38 year old Mayorga off him. The fight will look just like the 1st fight Maragarito pressure will wear down Cotto for a late stoppage.