Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?

[Tony]

Well we can compare PPV against common opponents.... that should tell you who the bigger draw really is....

I hear you Heresy.... but most fans will be paying to see Floyd. If they're just paying to see Manny more than 400K would have tuned in to watch his last fight against Algieri.

I agree, they both need each other to make that kind of money, but at the end of the day it's about Floyd and his undefeated record. He deserves the bulk since he's pound for pound the best boxer, has yet beaten or even floored. Fans are paying to see if he can be beat.....

You guys are saying 60/40 split, Floyd is rumored to be asking for 7% more... it's that not much of a difference fellas. 65/35, 66/33, take the damn offer and fight. If Manny wants him that bad, take the damn offer!

 

[WYNO707X4]

Mothafuckers talking numbers n shit like they back there behind close doors like they know what manny and floyd realy taking home... 60/40 make it at cowboy stadium sell that place out everyone going to get paid fat and see a good ass fight.....floyd and his fans need to stop acting like bitches.

 

[The Bay Area]

That's the thing they aren't grasping here. They just keep comparing previous PPV numbers as if that's the tell all story here. It's obviously not. Yeah, Floyd should get more of the cut now, I don't think anyone is debating that. But it should be fair. 60/40 split on everything sounds good to me. No need to be THAT greedy where $100,000,000 ISN'T ENOUGH! In what world is a hundred mil for a fight not good enough? It's outrageous there is even a debate here. Floyd deserves more money! Really?!? A HUNDRED FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS isn't good enough? lmao

Yeah...but the thing your not grasping is...none of us are saying its right 66/33 split...we are just saying THIS IS PROBABLY how they came to the figures they are presenting Team Pacquiao. By judging the numbers is fair. They are only at a 6% difference. The funny thing is Manny and Bob Arum keep refusing the "splits" that have been offered...can you show me where they have thrown out a number like 60/40 since Pacquiao beat Agieri?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

T @Tony ,

lol most wouldn't be tuning in to simply watch Floyd man. They've been ttalking about 3 million PPV buys. That's a whole lot of casuals that otherwise don't watch boxing and would only be buying this for the simple facts it's Mayweather vs Pacquiao. not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah...but the thing your not grasping is...none of us are saying its right 66/33 split...we are just saying THIS IS PROBABLY how they came to the figures they are presenting Team Pacquiao. By judging the numbers is fair. They are only at a 6% difference. The funny thing is Manny and Bob Arum keep refusing the "splits" that have been offered...can you show me where they have thrown out a number like 60/40 since Pacquiao beat Agieri?

There has been zero information released to the media regarding negotiations so that's good news in my book, that means they working. If one side or the other is so offended by the others offer they would immediately run to the media and start popping off numbers & why said side is trying to kill the fight. None of that is happening so to me that's a sign of progress (hopefully).

I'm just talking mainly about Tony & yourself. For all I know Pac/Top Rank would accept $13 and a big mac lol I honestly don't care. I'm just saying if people say two thirds of the money for Floyd is legit and Pac should simply "accept the offer" I'm calling them out for being a bit naive. We have to understand there are a lot of people involved here trying to make money, it's not just Pacquiao and Floyd. Each have a team, each promoters, managers, coaches, etc etc etc. It's in Top Rank's interest to get a fair offer so of course there not going to want to accept anything less than that.

 

[CZAR]

Mothafuckers talking numbers n shit like they back there behind close doors like they know what manny and floyd realy taking home... 60/40 make it at cowboy stadium sell that place out everyone going to get paid fat and see a good ass fight.....floyd and his fans need to stop acting like bitches.

Wooooooooooooosssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Haha! Got Em!!

 

[Rasan]

Mothafuckers talking numbers n shit like they back there behind close doors like they know what manny and floyd realy taking home... 60/40 make it at cowboy stadium sell that place out everyone going to get paid fat and see a good ass fight.....floyd and his fans need to stop acting like bitches.

great idea but floyd would only fight at the mgm it seems.

 

[Tony]

I'm going off what Pacquiao said out of his own mouth "whatever he wants", "he can have the lionshare", "he offered $40 million with no PPV", well now he's being offered some of the PPV with maybe an even bigger guaranteed purse $60 million. What's the problem now? He said he'd be willing to fight for free (translate: money shouldn't be an issue then)

If Floyd wants 2/3 like it's being reported, then what's the problem?

What part of that aren't you grasping?

 

[HERESY]

Well we can compare PPV against common opponents.... that should tell you who the bigger draw really is....

I hear you Heresy.... but most fans will be paying to see Floyd. If they're just paying to see Manny more than 400K would have tuned in to watch his last fight against Algieri.

I agree, they both need each other to make that kind of money, but at the end of the day it's about Floyd and his undefeated record. He deserves the bulk since he's pound for pound the best boxer, has yet beaten or even floored. Fans are paying to see if he can be beat.....

You guys are saying 60/40 split, Floyd is rumored to be asking for 7% more... it's that not much of a difference fellas. 65/35, 66/33, take the damn offer and fight. If Manny wants him that bad, take the damn offer!

Tony, both fighters bring a HUGE fanbase to the table. If Pac fought tougher competition, and did it in this country, his numbers wouldn't be where they are. 206 already posted the info about why the PPV numbers are so low. If you are fighting overseas, in a market like that, you are going to do 30-40% of what you normally do. All the numbers they predicted are in the ballpark.

Does Floyd deserve a bigger cut? Yes, but you have to remember, when both guys were tied for P4P and Pac had better PPV numbers, Floyd didn't want to give him any PPV money. So you have the number 1 and number 2 draw in boxing, ppv does not matter as the world is pretty much divided on who can beat who, who has been ducking, etc. There is history between the two, bad blood, and people finally want to see them get it on.

Should he take the money and fight? Yes, but it has to be something fair. This isn't Ghost, Rios, Maidana, Ortiz or Algiera. This is a P4P fighter, the number 2 draw in the sport, the ONLY guy you are going to make a nine figure bout with. You simply have to bend man.

 

[HERESY]

Some pages ago I mentioned $60 million. I do NOT know if the $60 million was from a previous offer when they were going to fight or if it is a recently accepted number. He gave these comments while being interviewed on a plane and due to translation it may not be clear.

http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/4986-Manny-Pacquiao-approves-$60-million-guarantee-to-fight-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-in-2015

Here is the ORIGINAL

PACQUIAO OKs GUARANTEED $60M PURSE, WBC-WBA WELTERWEIGHT FIGHT VS MAYWEATHER | AsianFightScene.com

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I'm going off what Pacquiao said out of his own mouth "whatever he wants", "he can have the lionshare", "he offered $40 million with no PPV", well now he's being offered some of the PPV with maybe an even bigger guaranteed purse $60 million. What's the problem now? He said he'd be willing to fight for free (translate: money shouldn't be an issue then)

If Floyd wants 2/3 like it's being reported, then what's the problem?

What part of that aren't you grasping?

Oh I don't know, Top Rank wouldn't be ok with that perhaps? Damn Tony, stop acting like Pacquiao is a fighter/manager/promoter/adviser all in one. He gets paid by Top Rank, his promoter, and that's who negotiates on his behalf, who also get paid for their services obviously.

 

[The Bay Area]

Oh we'll...L.A.P.D. is gonna start questioning him over his friends, Eral Hayes' suicide of himself and his murder of his stripper girlfriend for cheating with supposedly Tre Songz. Mayweather saw it all on FaceTime while trying to stop Hayes.---> LAPD Wants To Question Mayweather Over Murder/Suicide | BoxingInsider.com

 

[Tony]

Malignaggi: Pacquiao’s side knows he can’t beat Mayweather

By Chris Williams: Showtime analyst Paulie Malignaggi believes that the main reason why Manny Pacquiao (57-5-2, 38 KOs) and his team have been dragging their feet in the negotiations with Floyd Mayweather Jr (47-0, 26 KOs) in the past is because they feel that it’s a fight that they can’t win.

Malignaggi says that with Mayweather being the A-side and Pacquiao clearly being the B-side in the negotiations then Pacquiao and his team should be willing to agree to whatever terms that Mayweather lays out. In other words, if Pacquiao and his team really wants the fight against Mayweather then they should be willing to accept the deal that’s offered to them.

Malignaggi notes that Pacquiao won’t get a great deal, but then again he doesn’t deserve a great deal considering that he’s now bringing in one-third of the pay-per-view numbers that Mayweather is bringing in.

If Pacquiao wants a better deal, then he needs to beat Mayweather and then get a better deal in the rematch when they start negotiations. But Malignaggi feels that Pacquiao’s team isn’t confident in his chances against Mayweather, which is why he feels they want more money than they as the B-side deserve.

“You cannot tell me Mayweather is not the A side in this fight. He’s undefeated, he’s been a champion longer, and he hasn’t been knocked out obviously because he’s undefeated,” Malignaggi said via thaboxingvoice. “Pacquiao in this case is delivered as the B side. When you’re the B side you come in as the underdog. You have no say in the negotiations. You take what they give you, and you sign the contract. Floyd is the A side, he calls the shots. They are so adamant about [Mayweather’s demands] because they know they won’t win the fight, and it won’t be competitive.”

I totally agree with Malignaggi. Pacquiao and his team should be willing to agree to whatever purse split that Mayweather offers in order for them to get the fight. If Mayweather offers a 70-30 or 75-25 purse split, then Pacquiao and his team should be open to accepting those terms if they want the fight. With Mayweather bringing in the bigger pay-per-view numbers recently and with him having the unbeaten record, he’s clearly the A-side in the negotiations. He doesn’t really need to face Pacquiao unless he’s getting the lion’s share of the money. But if Pacquiao’s management are going to try and hold out for a better deal then I don’t see how the fight can get made, because Mayweather understands that he’s the A-side and he’s not likely to accept a 60-40 purse split or better for a fight against Pacquiao. The two fighters appear to be going in different directions right now with Pacquiao’s pay-per-view numbers sliding and Mayweather’s remaining strong.

 

[Tony]

^Lol, that was posted today, I've (and a few others) been saying that all week.

I guess Malignaggi is on Mayweather's nuts too huh, even though he's a professional boxer and knows what's he's talking about.

 

[HERESY]

^Lol, that was posted today, I've (and a few others) been saying that all week.

I guess Malignaggi is on Mayweather's nuts too huh, even though he's a professional boxer and knows what's he's talking about.

Paulie said he would knock Floyd out and was adamant about it. He also said he could beat Pac and was serious about it/ Yes, we should take his word for it.

And LOL@Chris Williams. That Man is Pro Floyd Anti Pac as they come.

 

[CZAR]

Yea but him on the outside looking in as an analsyt/boxing expert he has no bias to either side and just calling it real. Its different being a fighter talking shit but on the flip side hes telling it like it is. Got Em!!

 

[Tony]

@HERESY , lol, I'll give you that he is Pro Floyd Anti Pacquiao but Paulie isn't. He's talking from a boxers perspective.

Pacquiao choosing an easy opponent backfired in terms of negotiating power. He could have chosen a tougher well known opponent but didn't want to risk getting knocked out again. So they went the safe route and chose somebody that had no punching power.

Floyd was the B side for the Oscar De La Hoya fight, accepted less money, couldn't choose the ring or glove size, and even had to fight him at a heavier weight. Floyd still took it because Oscar was the bigger draw at the time. Floyd cashed and made more money off the PPV by selling himself as the bad guy. Floyd is expecting the same with Pacquiao as far as the terms go. Pacquiao is no longer at the top (3) of the pound for pound rankings.

 

[The Bay Area]

@HERESY , lol, I'll give you that he is Pro Floyd Anti Pacquiao but Paulie isn't. He's talking from a boxers perspective.

Pacquiao choosing an easy opponent backfired in terms of negotiating power. He could have chosen a tougher well known opponent but didn't want to risk getting knocked out again. So they went the safe route and chose somebody that had no punching power.

Floyd was the B side for the Oscar De La Hoya fight, accepted less money, couldn't choose the ring or glove size, and even had to fight him at a heavier weight. Floyd still took it because Oscar was the bigger draw at the time. Floyd cashed and made more money off the PPV by selling himself as the bad guy. Floyd is expecting the same with Pacquiao as far as the terms go. Pacquiao is no longer at the top (3) of the pound for pound rankings.

The MAJOR difference is that Floyd BELIEVED IN HIMSELF 100% and took the terms head on. Manny Pacquiao is trying to CASH OUT...because there is no OTHER fight once Mayweather deflates Pacquiao. It won't be close...no need for a rematch. The next fights for Manny AFTER FLOYD DISMANTLES HIM will be 75-100K PPV sellers on the dark side of the moon...in a casino.

 

[Tony]

Yeah I agree, they're seeking that big pay day because they know Floyd is going to win. So they're trying to get as much as they can get out of it. Because once Manny gets beat by Floyd it's over for Manny.

 

[The Bay Area]

Yeah I agree, they're seeking that big pay day because they know Floyd is going to win. So they're trying to get as much as they can get out of it. Because once Manny gets beat by Floyd it's over for Manny.

Who better to tell Manny he's not gonna win than Marquez? And you know what...I think Manny believes Marquez. Floyd is taller, faster, a student of the game, he has pedigree as a fighter from a family of knowledgable fighters, he trains hard, superb defense, and is 100% dedicated to the game. No acting, politicking, coaching etc. When Marquez told him the truth...Manny was shook.