Mayweather vs Pacquiao May 2nd [official]

[HERESY]

Bro, who didn't step up? Floyd went in a did the damn thing. Pac is the one who came down to the ring taken selfies, laughing and smiling at the face off, laughing and smiling afterwards talking about he won the fight. I was duped by Pac and Roach. I thought Pac would put God to the side, go in there and decapitate Floyd but instead I got a nigga taken selfies, a nigga not throwin punches and doing dumb shit. And thats not to take away from Floyd, because Floyd fought a great fight, but Pac didn't get the job done.

 

[Foul Mouth]

And the thing is, Floyd wasn't the only one who made nine figures that night. Pac made 9 figures as well. Why aren't people blaming him? This nigga came out taken selfies! He hardly threw punches, he just set himself up for retirement. And now people want to blame Floyd? Where were Pac's angles? Where was the volume punching? And mind you, I said Pac was gonna win by KO in the 9th. If anything, if this fight was boring, which it wasn't (IMHO), then we need to look at Pac and his fans.

Pac didn't do shit. fucked up rotator cuff or not, he didn't do shit. but you cant fight a track star ghost who wants hugs. i think, in terms of mainstream, Pac is an exciting fighter. he was "trying". that's why he don't get the hate. Mayweather's getting hella hate, cus this is the biggest stage he has ever been on (along with Manny), and a whole lot of people saw his performance, which is not a style that people like. go back to the gladiator days. a Mayweather wouldn't get much love. majority of people talking about Mayweather being boring (from this last fight) ain't fans of Mayweather or Manny. it's just observation. and being hyped on the fight of the century.

i took the "fight of the century" as Mayweather vs Pacquiao (finally), just that. i didn't take it as "it's gonna be a slug fest". promoting the fight as "The fight of the century" pretty much says War, unless you understand Mayweather. and Mayweather don't care if you undertand him, as long as he sells.

 

[HERESY]

Pac didn't do shit. fucked up rotator cuff or not, he didn't do shit. but you cant fight a track star ghost who wants hugs. i think, in terms of mainstream, Pac is an exciting fighter. he was "trying". that's why he don't get the hate. Mayweather's getting hella hate, cus this is the biggest stage he has ever been on (along with Manny), and a whole lot of people saw his performance, which is not a style that people like. go back to the gladiator days. a Mayweather wouldn't get much love. majority of people talking about Mayweather being boring (from this last fight) ain't fans of Mayweather or Manny. it's just observation. and being hyped on the fight of the century.

i took the "fight of the century" as Mayweather vs Pacquiao (finally), just that. i didn't take it as "it's gonna be a slug fest". promoting the fight as "The fight of the century" pretty much says War, unless you understand Mayweather. and Mayweather don't care if you undertand him, as long as he sells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZxF-4P1ng

I posted that for a reason. Being a defensive fighter has always been a part of boxing. This man is one of the all time greats. He's in the HOF.

Now look at one comment in particular.

"It's funny that they call this skill and great boxing but when Floyd Mayweather does this it's running... I see a lot of similarities between the two not only in footwork but punch placement and output"

 

[drunkaholic707]

Manny needs less god in his life and more drugs is that his lowest number of punches thrown In a fight?

 

[Foul Mouth]

What MMA fighter made 9 figures?

What MMA fighter is the highest paid athlete?

MMA can still have gyms popping up but you don't have mma in the olympics and you don't have MMA fighters making the money these boxers are making.

And MMA is behind boxing as the business of boxing is rapidly changing due to PBC.

i don't see an mma fighter making 9 figures any time soon, for many reasons. one being the UFC damn near has a monopoly on mma in the US. now they may have to sell cus they have so much debt, partially from buying up competition, (WEC, Pride, Strikeforce). mma is barely acceptable in america. it's barely out side of being barbaric. Americans accept boxing way more because of its history. plus using gloved fists looks more "safe" than mma.

you also have to understand, boxing has been around since probably the very first Olympics in Greece. mma has been around for like 20 years, and quickly evolving to much more than it was intended to be. Boxing should be way ahead of mma. but everything starts from some where. and at least where im at, "Fat City", mma gyms out weigh boxing gyms now. these gyms open up because of demand from youngsters to 20-somethings. even Floyds son chose to go the mma route instead of boxing. you quoted me, and this is where my last few sentences come into play. you gotta keep shit circulating or the shit dies slowly. if you got 2 or 3 times more mma gyms than boxing gyms, where do you think the next generation of athletes are gonna put their focus? kids who looked up to Tyson are the types of kids who look up to mma fighters. it's motherfuckers beatin shit up. Mayweather aint that type of dude. and most American kids don't look up to foreign boxers, unless their Mexican kids. boxing will be here forever so i'm not tryna take it to a boxing vs mma thing. just sayin, the casual fan does matter in the long run. that's why boxing is still here.

 

[HERESY]

i don't see an mma fighter making 9 figures any time soon, for many reasons. one being the UFC damn near has a monopoly on mma in the US. now they may have to sell cus they have so much debt, partially from buying up competition, (WEC, Pride, Strikeforce). mma is barely acceptable in america. it's barely out side of being barbaric. Americans accept boxing way more because of its history. plus using gloved fists looks more "safe" than mma.

MMA still has to compete with WWE. That, not boxing, is the number one competition for MMA. Just look at the numbers.

you also have to understand, boxing has been around since probably the very first Olympics in Greece. mma has been around for like 20 years, and quickly evolving to much more than it was intended to be. Boxing should be way ahead of mma. but everything starts from some where. and at least where im at, "Fat City", mma gyms out weigh boxing gyms now. these gyms open up because of demand from youngsters to 20-somethings. even Floyds son chose to go the mma route instead of boxing.

Yes it's been around for a long time but MMA, not just the name but the actual concept, has been around for some time. As for Floyd's son, I don't know why he went that route.

you quoted me, and this is where my last few sentences come into play. you gotta keep shit circulating or the shit dies slowly. if you got 2 or 3 times more mma gyms than boxing gyms, where do you think the next generation of athletes are gonna put their focus?

That depends on the people. Based on what Haymon is doing with boxing and the way boxers are getting paid, and associated with superstars, they may go to boxing.

kids who looked up to Tyson are the types of kids who look up to mma fighters. it's motherfuckers beatin shit up.

Some people are like this. Some aren't. I know when my big bro was going to fight he was a Tyson fan. However, he can't tell you shit about anyone in mma. He doesn't watch it.

Mayweather aint that type of dude. and most American kids don't look up to foreign boxers, unless their Mexican kids. boxing will be here forever so i'm not tryna take it to a boxing vs mma thing. just sayin, the casual fan does matter in the long run. that's why boxing is still here.

A muthafucka who just made 9 figures is that dude. You see people in boxing trying to emulate who he does and people want to be the next Mayweather which is crazy because they should be the first whoever they are.

So what we need to do is start exposing these casuals, pimp.

 

[Foul Mouth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZxF-4P1ng

I posted that for a reason. Being a defensive fighter has always been a part of boxing. This man is one of the all time greats. He's in the HOF.

Now look at one comment in particular.

"It's funny that they call this skill and great boxing but when Floyd Mayweather does this it's running... I see a lot of similarities between the two not only in footwork but punch placement and output"

looks like Mayweather (or his fam/trainers) was influenced by Pep. they look a lot alike.

the thing is, Mayweather is thee man right now. you got Tyson and Ali damn near hating on him. even Bob Arum has said Mayweather is not the type of fighter (casual) fans want to see. the money's all good, since it goes to Mayweather, but he's not the poster boy that boxing needs. it's what ever. good for Mayweather for cashing out and i'm sure he don't give a fuck if people don't like his style, but it doesn't help boxing. it will just help it maintain if anything. you gotta impress the youngsters and the older folk who "don't give a fuck either way". those are the people that will grow a sport. athletes and fans.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Bro, who didn't step up? Floyd went in a did the damn thing. Pac is the one who came down to the ring taken selfies, laughing and smiling at the face off, laughing and smiling afterwards talking about he won the fight. I was duped by Pac and Roach. I thought Pac would put God to the side, go in there and decapitate Floyd but instead I got a nigga taken selfies, a nigga not throwin punches and doing dumb shit. And thats not to take away from Floyd, because Floyd fought a great fight, but Pac didn't get the job done.

I disagree with you here. Floyd neutralized Manny's offense, it wasn't because Manny didn't show up. Him smiling taking selfies that was about him showing Floyd he's calm, he's not even nervous about this huge event, that's what that stuff was about.

Manny's punch output was down because of Floyd. He neutralized Pac by his jab, distance, clinching when he got close and also movement. A great defensive fighter against a great offensive fighter - what do you think the gameplan is for the defensive fighter? It's to reduce the opponents workrate, make them fight at your pace. Which Floyd did.

The numbers look really lopsided because Floyd thew 260+ jabs, half of which had no intention of landing. And Manny threw hardly any jabs because he didn't have the reach.

 

[CZAR]

:triple facepalm.jpg::

You're such an airhead you can't even pick up sarcasm/ people fucking around. HERESY asked what happened to Apollo Creed, I posted the gif/picture from the movie and ran with it. Pre fight fun. Most people understand this kind of stuff, but it CONSTANTLY goes over your head on here.

Uh huh u was being sarcastic! I bet lol. You was dreamin more like it lol. Got Em!!

 

[Foul Mouth]

Yes it's been around for a long time but MMA, not just the name but the actual concept, has been around for some time.

true. they been doing Karate/Taekwondo/Judo/Jui Jitsu exhibition fights for ever. mma was born from that.

As for Floyd's son, I don't know why he went that route.

that's what i'm saying. the biggest boxer in the present time has a son that wants to utilize his boxing in mma. i know his son wants to "be himself", but he coulda been himself in the ring. i'm pretty sure his son don't see him as a boring boxer but his son is young. the youngsters are starting to go a different route. the money can be there, but it has to look fun and exciting. if it were all about money, more kids would be surgeons.

Some people are like this. Some aren't. I know when my big bro was going to fight he was a Tyson fan. However, he can't tell you shit about anyone in mma. He doesn't watch it.

i meant Tyson and Mayweather are 2 completely different stylists. Mayweather is getting points to win. Tyson is fuck a motherfuck up. mma, though there are plenty of point fighters, a huge chunk of it is war. like a Tyson would fight.
in all honesty, most Tyson fans are too old to really fuck with mma. but that was the comparison i was making.

 

[HERESY]

I disagree with you here. Floyd neutralized Manny's offense, it wasn't because Manny didn't show up. Him smiling taking selfies that was about him showing Floyd he's calm, he's not even nervous about this huge event, that's what that stuff was about.

Manny's punch output was down because of Floyd. He neutralized Pac by his jab, distance, clinching when he got close and also movement. A great defensive fighter against a great offensive fighter - what do you think the gameplan is for the defensive fighter? It's to reduce the opponents workrate, make them fight at your pace. Which Floyd did.

The numbers look really lopsided because Floyd thew 260+ jabs, half of which had no intention of landing. And Manny threw hardly any jabs because he didn't have the reach.

Read what you quoted again.

And thats not to take away from Floyd, because Floyd fought a great fight, but Pac didn't get the job done.

 

[Lu_]

casual fans ain't gonna do that. they don't give enough fuck. casual fans watch what's thrown at them, what's promoted and marketed toward them. (American) casual boxing fans also really only fuck with Americans. Mayweather as the poster boy for American boxing is good for his fans, but it's not good to the sport from the outside. the outside is what you need to stay relevant and alive though the generations. the outside become hard core fans then they die out. you need to keep it circulating and i don't see that happening. mma gyms are eating boxing gyms up. in America.

We're essentially saying the same thing, and I agree with your other posts too. You need to instead tell them what to watch or market it down their throats. It's all about buzz and the brand nowadays. The one thing also holding back MMA is that pretty much everyone is defeated one time or another. It's nearly impossible to stay undefeated for long because of the numerous ways you can lose.

Americans often look past foreigners because of the language barrier and lack of marketing they often receive. Hardcore fans of the sport could give 2 flying fucks about it, but as far as promo and reaching new heights, you need to appeal to the masses inside & outside the ring. Be that in a good or bad way, it doesn't matter, as long as your name is bubbling.

 

[naner12]

I feel like people seriously underestimate Floyd's straight right. If all that would happen is that you'd swing at air and get jabbed then Pacquiao (or anyone really) would continue running in recklessly, but the straight right keeps them in check.

There was a moment (don't remember rounds) where Mayweather was in the corner Pac lunged in and got popped with a straight right and Floyd got out of the corner. Then the immediate next round it was the same situation and you saw a noticeable pause in Pac before he even attempted to come in.

As far as people complaining, I could give a fuck about that. People talked themselves into thinking Pacquiao was going to be able to do something and when he couldn't and it was another Mayweather fight they felt played. I also don't get this obligation people feel Floyd has to fight differently because he got paid more money. His obligation is to win and Pacquiao unfortunately couldn't make the fight competitive. Even at the same pace the fight was fought at, if it was competitive I think far less people would be complaining.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I feel like people seriously underestimate Floyd's straight right. If all that would happen is that you'd swing at air and get jabbed then Pacquiao (or anyone really) would continue running in recklessly, but the straight right keeps them in check.

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Right, that's what I'm saying by Floyd neutralized Pac's offense with his straight right, and he was doing it like 20 seconds into the fight, he made Pac weary of it early. It's the same kind of reason why Pac always struggled with Marquez and in those fights he never threw as much as he normally does. Floyd says he doesn't watch tape, but he's bullshitting, he and his dad surely watched the Marquez fights repeatedly. Pac is open for it when he lunges in and attacks.

Pacquiao is not an inside fighter at all, he gets in and then out, that's his style so it was always going to be ab uphill battle. Where he fucked up is no side to side movement, against Floyd, actually since Mosley probably, Pac for some reason attacks in straight lines now. What made him a dynamic offensive fighter in the past was that he would spin his fighters around, get them out of position and attack. He doesn't do that anymore.

Anyways, when I hear people say Pacquiao didn't bring it, to me it irritates me because it's not giving Floyd the credit he deserves. It's the same type of shit I would hear after a Hopkins fight - Pavlik, Tarver, Trinidad, they didn't bring the fight to Hopkins, they had off nights etc, no! It was Hopkins who neutralized their offense by all the subtle shit he does in the ring. Same thing here with Floyd and Pac - Floyd took away most of Pac's weapons. Sure, he clinched when he got too close or was in the ropes, or got the fuck out of the corner but what is he supposed to do, stand there and let Pac tee off on him? That's not Floyd's game, that's not what brought him here to the top, so he fought smart. If Pacquiao isn't used to getting clinched, or doesn't know how to fight out of a clinch effectively, that's not Floyd's problem.

 

[Foul Mouth]

It's all about buzz and the brand nowadays.

and Mayweather is probably the greatest at that. this dude is his own king with the help of his own company. he builds his resume, buzz and brand pretty much himself. regardless, with his current style or if he had a Pacquiao style, dudes probably the greatest athlete/business man ever.

i think Floyds style is boring for being at the top. i would like his style more as a contender. i see him kinda like Benson Henderson in UFC. his styles sick when he's just fighting in the ranks, but as a champ its crap. it kinda takes the "who's the baddest" fighter away since "the baddest" don't play safe and win points. points are for games. i don't like'em routinely for champs. yeah Mayweather's shit looks like art, but so did Roy Jones Jr's shit.

in my opinion it's just crazy how the biggest fight in modern time happens, and as a result, it's like all out there now about boxing being boring, literally because of Mayweather. i think the Cayetano/Santa Cruz fight was much better, and more "classic/traditional" boxing, but no one gave a fuck or a view. the world/nation is going to base their view on what they're suppose to see and they're suppose to see the fight of the century. Mayweather shouldn't have done anything different, but, dude lost a lot of fans that he never had to begin with, which doesn't help boxing.

 

[naner12]

I think for the most part people just don't know what they're watching when they're watching defense to be honest. It's easy to spot offense even if you don't know how it was created.

It's why see you dumb comments like all Floyd does is run and they can't fathom why they didn't see the extremely offensive minded Pacquiao in the ring. It's probably one of the most impressive things in boxing, IMO, when a top fighter can make another top fighter look ineffective and unlike himself.

 

[Foul Mouth]

I think for the most part people just don't know what they're watching when they're watching defense to be honest.

that's exactly right.
and not for the most part bruh, for the whole part. that's what it all comes down to. in itself, it's cool.

but when you got everybody talking about how boring boxing is (post-fight) and how boring Mayweather is, it all comes down to his style. the product has to sell. you gotta get the product out to a broader (mainstream) audience.

when ever there's a UFC fight on FOX, that's their time to shine. get all the casual fans, since the hard core fans are already watching. some times you'll get a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match, of course with fists and elbows (which traditional BJJ does not have). some times a BJJ fight might not have too many fists or bow's and you start hearing boo's from the audience. most of them don't understand or see the beauty of dope ass BJJ in an MMA fight. so when the shits on FOX, a bunch of fucks casually watching on tv will get turned off, probably turn off the channel, then have an imprint in their head of what "mma" is. UFC appreciates dope BJJ, but I know they rather have some brawls on FOX. humans been wanting brawls and violent fights for entertainment since for ever. UFC wants blood, a KO, or someone tapping like a bitch. they don't want a slow/"boring" fight. you can lose potential new fans. those potential fans may be ignorant, but you want them, then you can mold them, then they'll get.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

that's exactly right.
and not for the most part bruh, for the whole part. that's what it all comes down to. in itself, it's cool.

but when you got everybody talking about how boring boxing is (post-fight) and how boring Mayweather is, it all comes down to his style. the product has to sell. you gotta get the product out to a broader (mainstream) audience.

when ever there's a UFC fight on FOX, that's their time to shine. get all the casual fans, since the hard core fans are already watching. some times you'll get a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match, of course with fists and elbows (which traditional BJJ does not have). some times a BJJ fight might not have too many fists or bow's and you start hearing boo's from the audience. most of them don't understand or see the beauty of dope ass BJJ in an MMA fight. so when the shits on FOX, a bunch of fucks casually watching on tv will get turned off, probably turn off the channel, then have an imprint in their head of what "mma" is. UFC appreciates dope BJJ, but I know they rather have some brawls on FOX. humans been wanting brawls and violent fights for entertainment since for ever. UFC wants blood, a KO, or someone tapping like a bitch. they don't want a slow/"boring" fight. you can lose potential new fans. those potential fans may be ignorant, but you want them, then you can mold them, then they'll get.

Well right, but it's also a sport with belts to defend, etc. Sometimes "boring" fights simply need to happen because the sport calls for it. Just like in the UFC.

Sure, this fight may have turned off a bunch of people from boxing for a while, but it's not the end all fights here. Boxing is currently in a renaissance so to speak with boxing being brought back to the mainstream, NBC, CBS, ABC, and non subscription cable like Spike, NBC Sports, Fox Sports, BET and others. There will be great fights that reach much larger audiences within th next couple years, and likely a big Fox UFC type of deal following.

The exact same thing happened with Mayweather vs Oscar de la hoya. It was THE fight everyone was talking about, everyone wanted to see it, it was the biggest possible fight in all of boxing. and the fight ended up "boring". I remember the non stop talk about how much of a let down it was and boxing was dead after that. And here were are again, after an even bigger fight, record shattering event, same talk. What this shows is boxing isn't going away, there will be new stars that emerge like there always is and there will be even bigger fights to come. In the end, it doesn't matter if Saturdays fight was a stinker or not. The sport is in better shape than it has been in over a decade.

 

[HERESY]

Right, that's what I'm saying by Floyd neutralized Pac's offense with his straight right, and he was doing it like 20 seconds into the fight, he made Pac weary of it early. It's the same kind of reason why Pac always struggled with Marquez and in those fights he never threw as much as he normally does. Floyd says he doesn't watch tape, but he's bullshitting, he and his dad surely watched the Marquez fights repeatedly. Pac is open for it when he lunges in and attacks.

Pacquiao is not an inside fighter at all, he gets in and then out, that's his style so it was always going to be ab uphill battle. Where he fucked up is no side to side movement, against Floyd, actually since Mosley probably, Pac for some reason attacks in straight lines now. What made him a dynamic offensive fighter in the past was that he would spin his fighters around, get them out of position and attack. He doesn't do that anymore.

Anyways, when I hear people say Pacquiao didn't bring it, to me it irritates me because it's not giving Floyd the credit he deserves. It's the same type of shit I would hear after a Hopkins fight - Pavlik, Tarver, Trinidad, they didn't bring the fight to Hopkins, they had off nights etc, no! It was Hopkins who neutralized their offense by all the subtle shit he does in the ring. Same thing here with Floyd and Pac - Floyd took away most of Pac's weapons. Sure, he clinched when he got too close or was in the ropes, or got the fuck out of the corner but what is he supposed to do, stand there and let Pac tee off on him? That's not Floyd's game, that's not what brought him here to the top, so he fought smart. If Pacquiao isn't used to getting clinched, or doesn't know how to fight out of a clinch effectively, that's not Floyd's problem.

Pacquio absolutely didn't bring it. Maidana, a C level fighter, did more to Floyd in one round then Pac did the entire fight. Ortiz, one of the biggest losers in life did more. Ghost did more. Cotto did more. Mosley did more. The list goes on and on. So you are saying Floyd just shut down the #2 draw in boxing with such ease that it made him look like a D level fighter?

Floyd is that good but to imply or openly state that he just took Pac's weapons away is proof that Pac did not bring it at all. He didn't adjust, he didn't move from side to side, he got shut down. Yes, give Floyd credit but knock Pac for getting in there and fighting like a goddamn idiot.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ghost didn't win a single round bro. Pacquiao won four rounds on my card, same as Cotto, more than Ortiz obviously. I don't know why Maidana did so well against Floyd, maybe his crudeness through him off. But you know the saying - styles make fights. Maidana did the best against Floyd than arguably anyone has in Floyd's entire career besides Castillo, but he's not even close to being as good as others Floyd's fought.

I just think at this point in time Pacquiao isn't the same guy he was some years ago. You were calling for him to retire after JMM and said I wanted him to die because I said he should keep fighting lol. We've all witnessed a decline in Pacquiao. Past prime, post Jesus, whatever the fuck he's not the same fighter that destroyed Cotto and Hatton, that much is clear. But for who he is now, he brought it. It just wasn't enough obviously and Floyd was able to control the tempo and neutralize his offense.