Manny Pacquiao vs Joshua Clottey
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Nah, he's too quick for Pavlik. He would never go toe to toe with pavlik. He'd beat the britches off pavlik like Dirrell did Abraham. Paul Williams is actually a smart fighter. He'll brawl with a lesser puncher but fight on the outside against punchers like he did with Margarito. Pavlik's only chance is if Paul stand in front of him, and he won't do it. Anybody who thinks Paul will fight Pavlik like he did Martinez (who is not known for his power) is crazy. Styles make fights and pavlik would lose by a knock out due to an accumulation of punches or he would lose by unanimous decision in a blow out.
And yes, Cotto was shot. Have you been watching Cotto? He has been getting knocked down for years now, but was only able to survive against lesser opponents. he has been taking punishment for years that lead up to his demise in the sport. People think it was just the Margarito fight that did him in. I say it had been the other knock downs earlier in his career also catching up to him. I think the beating he took in the Mosley fight took alot out of him as well. He been in so many back to back wars (Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Pacquiao) that it had to spell out a shot fighter.
When does williams not go toe to toe? The man doesn't know how to use his height and reach advantages, he fights like a small guy.
He's fundamentally very flawed too and his defense sucks. All it takes is that straight right down the pipe from Staphlik and it's lights out. If Williams thought Martinez hits hard he's in for a rude awakening.
Nah, williams doesn't have it in him. Even against Margarito he was trading and going toe to toe. He'll back pedal for a while but eventually he'll mix it up, that's just who he is.
Who you got for Pavlik vs Martinez?
He's fundamentally very flawed too and his defense sucks. All it takes is that straight right down the pipe from Staphlik and it's lights out. If Williams thought Martinez hits hard he's in for a rude awakening.
Nah, williams doesn't have it in him. Even against Margarito he was trading and going toe to toe. He'll back pedal for a while but eventually he'll mix it up, that's just who he is.
Who you got for Pavlik vs Martinez?
Lesser opponents like Shane Mosley?
Cotto has been in a lot of wars no doubt but he wasn't a shot fighter, he was obviously game early in the fight until pac started to kill him with his speed.
I don't think you understand the definition of shot.
Shot is Gatti vs Alfonzo Gomez
Shot is Castillo vs Ricky Hatton (and coincidentally, Alfonzo Gomez).
Shot is Ali vs Holmes.
Shot is Ray Leonard vs Terry Norris
Cotto was not shot against Pac. Maybe on the decline, but certainly not shot.
Cotto has been in a lot of wars no doubt but he wasn't a shot fighter, he was obviously game early in the fight until pac started to kill him with his speed.
I don't think you understand the definition of shot.
Shot is Gatti vs Alfonzo Gomez
Shot is Castillo vs Ricky Hatton (and coincidentally, Alfonzo Gomez).
Shot is Ali vs Holmes.
Shot is Ray Leonard vs Terry Norris
Cotto was not shot against Pac. Maybe on the decline, but certainly not shot.
It all depends on which Martinez shows up to fight. If Martinez tries to brawl I give it to Pavlik. If Martinez uses his superior speed and boxing skills, I'll give it to Martinez by decision. Pavlik has problem with boxers with speed. Pavlik is garbage. He needs a fighter to be defenseless and stand in front of him so he can get off his only weapon, the power punch.
And you're wrong about Williams, he only brawls when it comes to smaller fighters. He didn't try brawling with Winky Wright or Margarito. Yeas he stodd in front of Margarito so he could pepper him, then he moved just before Margarito could return fire. In the later rouunds he got caught with punches only because he was starting to tire. he will dog Pavlik as long as he fights from the outside. He's not dumb enough to slug with Pavlik unless he all of a sudden forgets to box. Yes he fights small against smaller opponents to prove he can slug, nope, not against bigger fighters. it may appera that way, but he's only gonna stand there to get in range and get off first. He'll control the pace and win by a decision against Pavlik. Please believe it. Every fighter knows their limits, and I'm sure he'll leanr from his mistakes against Martinez. had he had more time to train for Martinez it would have been a different outcome dawg.
And you're wrong about Williams, he only brawls when it comes to smaller fighters. He didn't try brawling with Winky Wright or Margarito. Yeas he stodd in front of Margarito so he could pepper him, then he moved just before Margarito could return fire. In the later rouunds he got caught with punches only because he was starting to tire. he will dog Pavlik as long as he fights from the outside. He's not dumb enough to slug with Pavlik unless he all of a sudden forgets to box. Yes he fights small against smaller opponents to prove he can slug, nope, not against bigger fighters. it may appera that way, but he's only gonna stand there to get in range and get off first. He'll control the pace and win by a decision against Pavlik. Please believe it. Every fighter knows their limits, and I'm sure he'll leanr from his mistakes against Martinez. had he had more time to train for Martinez it would have been a different outcome dawg.
Cotto was shot. You can call it what you want to so it makes Pacman's resume look better. He was shot. He was not the same fighter after he lost to Mosley. And he definitely wasn't the same fighter after Margarito almost killed the man. C'mon, call it what it really is.
And the Cotto that fought Mosley (At the peak of his prime then) would have obliterated Pacquiao and you know it
And the Cotto that fought Mosley (At the peak of his prime then) would have obliterated Pacquiao and you know it
Agreed.
For the record I see Martinez as the tougher opponent and I agree with The Ring magazine that Kelly KO's Williams in 6.
I could be. I just see Williams as a pretty average boxer that has an extremely big height & reach advantage over his opponents, however he does have above average stamina & workrate.
Against Winky? He was in Winky's face the entire night throwing non-stop punches. I call that brawling.
I wouldn't say it's dumb its just the warrior in him. I've yet to see Williams box for an entire fight.
I'll have to see it to believe it. I agree if he fights smart and boxes kelly, stays on the outside the entire fight he can win a UD. Even then though his defense is so full of holes that kelly could set up that 1-2 and nail him right in the nose.
Now, I could be overrating Kelly pavlik in his current state, I admit that. But kelly, pre-bernard & illnesses, beat Jermain Taylor two times, who lets face it, was a great win. And Jermain chose to fight smart & box the second time around and he still lost.
Again, I don't know what kind of mental state kelly is in right now, but if he returns true to form, I think he beats Williams in an all out war (cuz again, I just don't see williams boxing for 12 rounds, he loves to mix it up). But I guess that's a big assumption, since Bernard Hopkins devours souls and all.
Maybe, but then again it looked like the same Williams as Quintana I. If Williams was a very smart fighter, he would have adjusted after getting knocked down and used his height/reach and box martinez. But nope he brawled to the end which nearly cost him. He took a lot of punishment in that fight and if you believe cotto was so damaged from his early fights, Williams will be a shot fighter in 1-2 years.
For the record I see Martinez as the tougher opponent and I agree with The Ring magazine that Kelly KO's Williams in 6.
I could be. I just see Williams as a pretty average boxer that has an extremely big height & reach advantage over his opponents, however he does have above average stamina & workrate.
Against Winky? He was in Winky's face the entire night throwing non-stop punches. I call that brawling.
I wouldn't say it's dumb its just the warrior in him. I've yet to see Williams box for an entire fight.
I'll have to see it to believe it. I agree if he fights smart and boxes kelly, stays on the outside the entire fight he can win a UD. Even then though his defense is so full of holes that kelly could set up that 1-2 and nail him right in the nose.
Now, I could be overrating Kelly pavlik in his current state, I admit that. But kelly, pre-bernard & illnesses, beat Jermain Taylor two times, who lets face it, was a great win. And Jermain chose to fight smart & box the second time around and he still lost.
Again, I don't know what kind of mental state kelly is in right now, but if he returns true to form, I think he beats Williams in an all out war (cuz again, I just don't see williams boxing for 12 rounds, he loves to mix it up). But I guess that's a big assumption, since Bernard Hopkins devours souls and all.
Maybe, but then again it looked like the same Williams as Quintana I. If Williams was a very smart fighter, he would have adjusted after getting knocked down and used his height/reach and box martinez. But nope he brawled to the end which nearly cost him. He took a lot of punishment in that fight and if you believe cotto was so damaged from his early fights, Williams will be a shot fighter in 1-2 years.
2-0-Sixx, you are making statements that are as ludicrous as that picture you have chosen as your avatar (and you do that knowing that you are being disrespectful to those who may find it offensive), why because you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is as flawed as mine. But in the end, Cotto was a shot fighter waiting to happen. Way past his prime. And you're right, Willaims is clearly on his way to a short career ass well. He is a warrior with maybe too much heart, but unfortunately most boxers have the same problem. It's called pride. The smart ones can check their emotion, and the ones who end up having short careers but it was a blast to watch them destroy themselves, those are the fighters you probably find comfort in cheering on. Me, I like fighters who got the game figured out, and are athletic enough to be elusive and still get thir punches off ala Mayweather. The game is to Hit and not be hit, well if you want to last long. Ali was a master of this in his younger years, yet people give him more credit when he brawled himself into damn near a vegetable now. That aint heart or stupidity, that's called survival.
What? What did I do that is offensive to anyone?? just choppin it up with you homie, no disrespect intended. My avatar is offensive? It's a white guy who tans too damn much, only people that might find that offensive are typical guido's and I don't think there are any guido's postin on the sicc.
No need to get upset about it, agree to disagree. I say he was in the decline, you say he was completely shot, leave it at that.
I like all types of fighters man. My favorite all time is bernard hopkins, the smartest of them all. I love watching floyd. I love watching bangers like cotto & mosley, pac, et al. I love watching boxers like Joan Guzman. I study Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, etc. I watch all the up & comers like Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Alvarez, etc. I just love the sport in general, so many styles, so many different possible scenarios. I don't have one particular style that I favor over another, or nationality or race or anything like that.
No need to get upset about it, agree to disagree. I say he was in the decline, you say he was completely shot, leave it at that.
I like all types of fighters man. My favorite all time is bernard hopkins, the smartest of them all. I love watching floyd. I love watching bangers like cotto & mosley, pac, et al. I love watching boxers like Joan Guzman. I study Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, etc. I watch all the up & comers like Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Alvarez, etc. I just love the sport in general, so many styles, so many different possible scenarios. I don't have one particular style that I favor over another, or nationality or race or anything like that.
nah, that's a white dude from college who wore purposely wore blackface on Halloween thinking it was funny. Look it up on the internet.
Nah, you haven't been disrespectful to me anyway, I just wanted to point that pic out. If you really didn't know the story behind that pic then we're cool. I thought you knew the real story behind that picture because dude was being offensive on purpose, and it backfired. I think he got kicked out of the school. when it comes to Cotto we always agree to disagree. I thought he was overrated to begin with, but I respected him much more after the Mosley fight.
I feel you. I like smart brawlers like Mosley who can switch it up if need be. But I also like fighters who have proven that they can overcome adversity like Pacquiao, who was once a one handed fighter. i give credit where credit is due.
Nah, you haven't been disrespectful to me anyway, I just wanted to point that pic out. If you really didn't know the story behind that pic then we're cool. I thought you knew the real story behind that picture because dude was being offensive on purpose, and it backfired. I think he got kicked out of the school. when it comes to Cotto we always agree to disagree. I thought he was overrated to begin with, but I respected him much more after the Mosley fight.
I feel you. I like smart brawlers like Mosley who can switch it up if need be. But I also like fighters who have proven that they can overcome adversity like Pacquiao, who was once a one handed fighter. i give credit where credit is due.
