Manny Pacquiao vs Joshua Clottey
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2-0-6 is showing his bias towards Mosely and shortchanging him by saying Cotto "outclassed" Mosely. Anytime he says something like that I gotta jump in and remind him Cotto, the one who got beat and bruised, walked away with a gift on that night, not a true win. And an immediate rematch was due when you have such a closely judged fight. The fans wanted that, but Cotto wanted no parts of that.
Tony, you're actually right. Mosely will injure Pacquiao like no other at 147. Yeah, he'll take some punishment but what else is new when it comes to Mosely, he's a warrior, not overrated like my friend 2-0-6 would have you believe. He's been hit by stronger punchers than Pacman and survived, but we can't say the same for Pac Man, not just yet anyway. And don't say Cotto, because Mosely ate Cottos punches like candy and kept coming.
2-0-Sixx is my dawg but we aint never gonna agree on this one
Tony, you're actually right. Mosely will injure Pacquiao like no other at 147. Yeah, he'll take some punishment but what else is new when it comes to Mosely, he's a warrior, not overrated like my friend 2-0-6 would have you believe. He's been hit by stronger punchers than Pacman and survived, but we can't say the same for Pac Man, not just yet anyway. And don't say Cotto, because Mosely ate Cottos punches like candy and kept coming.
2-0-Sixx is my dawg but we aint never gonna agree on this one
You can call it a gift all you want but I've watched that fight about 6 times now and it's clear cotto won. Most people agree with me there.
Further, you can pretend that the long layoff isn't an issue but the fact is shane hasn't fought in 16 months, that's a very long time for a 38 year old.
Actually BOB ARUM wanted Cotto vs Antonio Margarito, which is exactly what we got. I don't think too many people were complaining about that mini mega-fight.
Cotto is a Robot;
"Who would you like to fight next Cotto?
"Whoever promoter wants me to fight, I fight."
You have it a lil twisted man, I love mosley, he's one of my favorite fighters. But I personally believe he's old (38) and has problems with fast fighters like floyd & pac. We disagree on cotto vs mosley, but in my eyes I clearly saw cotto out-box mosley, even if cotto was hurt in the late rounds he still beat him. And if that was a younger mosley cotto would have been KO'd within 8 rounds.
My opinion could change if Mosley continues to turn back the clock and puts up a great fight against floyd, but until then I think he's past it. Younger, faster guys will always beat him at this point (which is why I was picking Berto to beat him too!).
Further, you can pretend that the long layoff isn't an issue but the fact is shane hasn't fought in 16 months, that's a very long time for a 38 year old.
Actually BOB ARUM wanted Cotto vs Antonio Margarito, which is exactly what we got. I don't think too many people were complaining about that mini mega-fight.
Cotto is a Robot;
"Who would you like to fight next Cotto?
"Whoever promoter wants me to fight, I fight."
You have it a lil twisted man, I love mosley, he's one of my favorite fighters. But I personally believe he's old (38) and has problems with fast fighters like floyd & pac. We disagree on cotto vs mosley, but in my eyes I clearly saw cotto out-box mosley, even if cotto was hurt in the late rounds he still beat him. And if that was a younger mosley cotto would have been KO'd within 8 rounds.
My opinion could change if Mosley continues to turn back the clock and puts up a great fight against floyd, but until then I think he's past it. Younger, faster guys will always beat him at this point (which is why I was picking Berto to beat him too!).
Yeah he is showing bias towards Mosely.... now that Floyd is going to fight Mosely, 206 says he's 38 years old and hasn't fought in 16 months. Yep that equals shortchange bruh.... That comes along with being part of the Floyd hate base. They'll find someway to downplay Floyd's opponent off top. Shane Mosely is still a great fighter/boxer and he's no where near shot. He had Margarito hanging halfway out of the ring and he had Cotto running for dear life.
But then his favorite fighter Bernard Hopkins is finna face a fighter (a completely shot Roy Jones that just got dusted in one round) that is in waaay worse shape than Shane is at this point in their careers. And like Bernard, they're pumping Roy Jones up like he still has something left.
But then his favorite fighter Bernard Hopkins is finna face a fighter (a completely shot Roy Jones that just got dusted in one round) that is in waaay worse shape than Shane is at this point in their careers. And like Bernard, they're pumping Roy Jones up like he still has something left.
Those are fucking facts man! LMAO
Uhh, I've already said numerous times this is a GREAT fight for Floyd and it's the best possible fight out there and it helps his resume greatly. I've never denied that.
My argument, since you're retarted and you cannot follow, is that Floyd will beat him and so would Pacquiao. I never implied shane sucks or anything like that. Further, cotto out-boxed him, I'm not alone in that. Here are some boxingscene results:
Did Cotto out-box Mosley?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356004&highlight=cotto+mosley
Poll results:
Yes - 82.69%
No - 17.31%
Cotto vs Mosley, who did you have winning?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275098
Cotto - 77.32%
Mosley - 7.22%
Draw - 15.46%
Hopkins 45 YEARS OLD. Say that to yourself. Forty Five. He was born in 1965. He can do anything he wants since fighting Roy doesn't do anything for his legacy, doesn't effect his rankings, etc. Hopkins does not also claim to be pound 4 pound king. When Floyd, or Manny, or Mosley, or whomever are still fighting at 45 years old, you wont hear me criticizing their choice of opponent. Hopkins could fight Butterbean for all I care at this point, the fact he's still fighting is amazing in itself.
Further, and once again, Mosley is the BEST possible opponent for Floyd right now. Mosley is a champion. It's a great win for floyd. That doesn't change the fact that I THINK floyd will and should win rather easily. Like I said, 8 rounds to 4, floyd UD.
Uhh, I've already said numerous times this is a GREAT fight for Floyd and it's the best possible fight out there and it helps his resume greatly. I've never denied that.
My argument, since you're retarted and you cannot follow, is that Floyd will beat him and so would Pacquiao. I never implied shane sucks or anything like that. Further, cotto out-boxed him, I'm not alone in that. Here are some boxingscene results:
Did Cotto out-box Mosley?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356004&highlight=cotto+mosley
Poll results:
Yes - 82.69%
No - 17.31%
Cotto vs Mosley, who did you have winning?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275098
Cotto - 77.32%
Mosley - 7.22%
Draw - 15.46%
Hopkins 45 YEARS OLD. Say that to yourself. Forty Five. He was born in 1965. He can do anything he wants since fighting Roy doesn't do anything for his legacy, doesn't effect his rankings, etc. Hopkins does not also claim to be pound 4 pound king. When Floyd, or Manny, or Mosley, or whomever are still fighting at 45 years old, you wont hear me criticizing their choice of opponent. Hopkins could fight Butterbean for all I care at this point, the fact he's still fighting is amazing in itself.
Further, and once again, Mosley is the BEST possible opponent for Floyd right now. Mosley is a champion. It's a great win for floyd. That doesn't change the fact that I THINK floyd will and should win rather easily. Like I said, 8 rounds to 4, floyd UD.
Winky Wright beat Shane Mosley's ass easily too, two times!
Look man, Paul Williams would beat him at 147 because he's too big and shane struggles with big guys (winky & forrest). Shane also didn't want none of Williams when he had the chance (can't blame him, Williams should never fight at 147 imo).
Berto is/was my wildcard pick, I admit. I said I thought it would be a 'fight of the year' type of fight but Berto's youth & speed would prevail.
I picked Cotto to beat him and guess what? He did! If they were to rematch now though Mosley would murder him.
With all of that, like I said he is the best fight for floyd right now. Mosley is a beast, without question. But he is not the same shane mosley that he once was. 38 year old shane is not the same as the 28 year old shane that was raping foo's at 147. If he was he would have knocked Cotto out.
Look man, Paul Williams would beat him at 147 because he's too big and shane struggles with big guys (winky & forrest). Shane also didn't want none of Williams when he had the chance (can't blame him, Williams should never fight at 147 imo).
Berto is/was my wildcard pick, I admit. I said I thought it would be a 'fight of the year' type of fight but Berto's youth & speed would prevail.
I picked Cotto to beat him and guess what? He did! If they were to rematch now though Mosley would murder him.
With all of that, like I said he is the best fight for floyd right now. Mosley is a beast, without question. But he is not the same shane mosley that he once was. 38 year old shane is not the same as the 28 year old shane that was raping foo's at 147. If he was he would have knocked Cotto out.
2-0-Sixx, I was going for Mosely knocking out the younger Berto. Berto is getting thrown to the wolves too soon if you ask me. He might even struggle with the same Quintana that schooled a young and raw Paul Williams, the same Paul Williams that was being avoided. Berto is suspect to power punchers. If Collazo would have been a power puncher, Berto would have been KO'd.
You can call Mosely old if you want. I believe the long lay off will have done him some good as far as letting his body heal. Like it or not, the older fighters need more time. in his case his lay off is not his fault. He wants and deserves mega fights but the two fighters he wanted ducked him. Now one of those fighters has been forced to fight him. Pac Man could have fought him instead of Cotto but he knew Cotto, the shot fighter was the best way to look good in a fight. Mosely is a true professional who has been in the ring many times before and at this stage in his career only gets up for big fights, so rest assured, if he couldn't get up for this fight he wouldn't have taken it. he stays in shape year round and win or lose, he will give Mayweather his toughest fight ever. I'm leaning towards Mosely, but won't be surprised if the mose elite fighter in the game (Mayweather) beats him. Because if he does beat Mosely, he will have earned it, not like Pac Man who beat a fighter who looked like he got paid off not to kill him. Say what you want, but Clottey did not come to fight, now whether he was paid off or was sick as he said remains a mystery. I'm just sayin, Mayweather will wear the bruises of being in a war come May 1st win, lose or draw.
And none of these fighters are the same. Every fight they take will take away some of their steam so that goes for every boxer that ever stepped in the ring
You can call Mosely old if you want. I believe the long lay off will have done him some good as far as letting his body heal. Like it or not, the older fighters need more time. in his case his lay off is not his fault. He wants and deserves mega fights but the two fighters he wanted ducked him. Now one of those fighters has been forced to fight him. Pac Man could have fought him instead of Cotto but he knew Cotto, the shot fighter was the best way to look good in a fight. Mosely is a true professional who has been in the ring many times before and at this stage in his career only gets up for big fights, so rest assured, if he couldn't get up for this fight he wouldn't have taken it. he stays in shape year round and win or lose, he will give Mayweather his toughest fight ever. I'm leaning towards Mosely, but won't be surprised if the mose elite fighter in the game (Mayweather) beats him. Because if he does beat Mosely, he will have earned it, not like Pac Man who beat a fighter who looked like he got paid off not to kill him. Say what you want, but Clottey did not come to fight, now whether he was paid off or was sick as he said remains a mystery. I'm just sayin, Mayweather will wear the bruises of being in a war come May 1st win, lose or draw.
And none of these fighters are the same. Every fight they take will take away some of their steam so that goes for every boxer that ever stepped in the ring
Shane should have never taken that fight with Winky in the first place and you know it. He was way too small to be fighting at Light Middleweight to begin with. But the warrior that he is, you couldn't tell him that. And yeah Forrest brought it to him. had Forrest not hurt his shoulder, no one could have beat him, not even Mayorga. But that was where the money was and he paid for it
And Paul Williams will give any fighter including Pacquiao and Mayweather problems because of his height and durability. Of course he will give Mosley problems. He's a freak of nature. But a big puncher will expose Williams. He leaves his self open against people with no power, but if he doesn't correct his defensive flaws soon, a knock out is imminent with Paul on his back, knocked out cold. I'd like to see Williams and Ward at middleweight. Or even Lucian bute and Williams. Those are fair fights for William tall ass
He went to 154 because he was destroyed by Vernon Forrest. He had a pretty decent resume there (vargas, oscar, mayorga).
I'm not saying Berto would have won for sure, like I said I thought it was going to be a war, I just favored Berto because of his youth & speed. It was my upset pick (at the time).
Interesting you say that I put $50 on Quintana to win because of the odds (Quintana +550 would make me $250) but I expect Berto to win.
His chin is a tad shaky but if he boxes well, keeps his distance and fights smart, like he has since Collazo, I thought he could win a decision. Remember Cotto also had a very shaky chin going into the Shane fight and he wasn't even dropped by shane. Hurt, yes, but never in serious danger.
C'mon on bro, Cotto was shot now all of a sudden? Give pac credit. Cotto beat Mosley so Pac fighting him in his first real fight at welterweight was a very good fight and pac destroyed him.
I do agree Mosley would have been, and still is, the tougher opponent for pacquiao. Pac knows how to fight smart though and he can box very effectively and stay on the outside and dart in & out extremely well and that's what he'd do against Mosley.
I'm not saying Berto would have won for sure, like I said I thought it was going to be a war, I just favored Berto because of his youth & speed. It was my upset pick (at the time).
Interesting you say that I put $50 on Quintana to win because of the odds (Quintana +550 would make me $250) but I expect Berto to win.
His chin is a tad shaky but if he boxes well, keeps his distance and fights smart, like he has since Collazo, I thought he could win a decision. Remember Cotto also had a very shaky chin going into the Shane fight and he wasn't even dropped by shane. Hurt, yes, but never in serious danger.
C'mon on bro, Cotto was shot now all of a sudden? Give pac credit. Cotto beat Mosley so Pac fighting him in his first real fight at welterweight was a very good fight and pac destroyed him.
I do agree Mosley would have been, and still is, the tougher opponent for pacquiao. Pac knows how to fight smart though and he can box very effectively and stay on the outside and dart in & out extremely well and that's what he'd do against Mosley.