LOL @ the Raiders
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LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE PRETTY MUCH PROVEN WRONG ON MITCHELL:
On Sunday morning, Mayock, when told the Chicago Bears were reportedly poised to select Mitchell, “apologized” for saying the Raiders could actually drafted the cornerback in the fifth round or later.
Mayock said he had seen no film of Mitchell and had no real handle on his skills.
Mitchell also played against inferior talent.
Being a heavy hitter does not = great S. Look at Troy, he is not only a great hitter, but has tremendous closing speed and is a ball hawk.
Mitchell played in the MAC, which is better known for their QB's than anything. Mitchell is no more than a very undersized OLB.
Being a heavy hitter does not = great S. Look at Troy, he is not only a great hitter, but has tremendous closing speed and is a ball hawk.
Mitchell played in the MAC, which is better known for their QB's than anything. Mitchell is no more than a very undersized OLB.
And you gather that form a few clips put together to show OFF his positives, but not his negatives? For all you know, he also blew a bunch of coverage in that game, missed tackles, and got ran over by Beanie Wells.
:ermm:
What does a Qb have to do with this?
You dont know that. Any player can be a bust in the draft and any player can be a stand out...you have NO way of knowing who until they actually PLAY.
:ermm:
What does a Qb have to do with this?
You dont know that. Any player can be a bust in the draft and any player can be a stand out...you have NO way of knowing who until they actually PLAY.
And what fun would that be?
The theory is correct, but also taking into consideration what the body of work in college and what these players look like on paper, you HAVE to comment on it straight up. In the grander schemes of things, NO ONE knows...but that doesn't mean people don't scratch their head at these picks, period.
The theory is correct, but also taking into consideration what the body of work in college and what these players look like on paper, you HAVE to comment on it straight up. In the grander schemes of things, NO ONE knows...but that doesn't mean people don't scratch their head at these picks, period.
i cant lie, when i heard goodell announce bey as our 1st pick, i was irate. i was ready to ask for a refund on my season tickets. but looking at it logically, not emotionally, the raiders have gone out on a limb in the past and proved the critics wrong. like i said a few days ago as well, no one knows who will be successful at the nfl level. whether that is the case here, only time will tell.
It's his opinion...so what. True or not...that was the impression he got. For a team that really needed a receiver, they must have really not liked him.
The fact is...9 teams passed on him for one reason or another, and he wasn't even the first receiver picked.
And yes...they all get paid to scout and criticize people. That's what they do for a living.
The fact is...9 teams passed on him for one reason or another, and he wasn't even the first receiver picked.
And yes...they all get paid to scout and criticize people. That's what they do for a living.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/162339-lets-be-fair-to-derrius-heyward-bey
Okay, so I cannot say I was not shocked and disappointed when the Raiders passed on Michael Crabtree. Sometimes I wonder if Al Davis is taking too much medication...or not enough.
In playing the devil's advocate though...here are some reasons why it made sense for the Raiders to select Derrius Heyward-Bey.
1). Bey's size and speed are quantifiable and unique. But can he catch?
2). Bey will pair with speedster Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland to form the fastest tandem in the NFL. Regardless of their hands, those two will be tough to cover but also demand attention because of their threat to go long.
That should open things up for Darren McFadden, Zach Miller and Michael Bush. Thus, by being able to truly stretch the field—that should also help the running game.
3). The Raiders were not the only teams to pass on Michael Crabtree. Seattle, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville all did the same thing. It seems to me that many teams saw the same things in Crabtree that the Raiders did. Meanwhile, murmurs have flown that some in San Francisco weren't sold on Crabtree.
4). Crabtree is already known as a diva. A big reason why teams passed on him was because of his attitude. In hearing the interviews with Crabtree, I was not impressed by him. People compare Crabtree to Jerry Rice when I think the more accurate comparison is Terrell Owens. Probably a big-time receiver, but: Is he worth the trouble? Alternatively, the Niners have taken productive players from gimmicky colleges in the past and were burned for it, such as Alex Smith from Utah.
5). It seems to me that Derrius Heyward-Bey and Michael Crabtree are equals but opposites. Bey has better tools while Crabtree had better production. Problem is, Crabtree's production was at a non-NFL program, while he refused to prove his speed. I think you can make the case that Crabtree has just as many questions around him that Bey has.
It's easy to get tantalized by gimmicky college programs like Texas Tech. More often than not though, the skill players (quarterbacks, wide receivers) from gimmicky or over overschemed schools do not pan out (eg, USC, Utah and Florida).
Sometimes productive college players flop in the NFL, while the toolsy players pan-out. Other times, the toolsy players flop and the college production pans-out. I think it's just a matter of how hard the player works at the next level, the system and his attitude. For Crabtree, he'll be a lone gunman for the Niners and thus see more double-teams, while the combo of Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland will be difficult to cover because if you double-team one -- the other has the speed to make the secondary pay. So we'll see.
6). I'm not convinced that the Raiders 'reached' for Derrius Heyward-Bey. Had they traded down, I think Bey would have been the first receiver selected, regardless.
The only other player at that spot that I truly liked was DT BJ Raji, because the Draft was deep at offensive-tackle, so it seemed wiser to select offensive-linemen in later rounds.
I'm not saying that Derrius Heyward-Bey will be a bad player or that he was a bad pick, but often times, the Al Davis draft strategy perplexes me. So we'll see.
7) Thus, the bottom line is, Michael Crabtree refused to prove his skills and wanted the tapes to do his talking. The problem with that was, the tapes are from a gimmicky program so it's hard to say what his production proved. Plus, he clearly has an attitude of self-pity. Like Terrell Owens.
So all I'm saying is, let's let the players prove which one is best.
Okay, so I cannot say I was not shocked and disappointed when the Raiders passed on Michael Crabtree. Sometimes I wonder if Al Davis is taking too much medication...or not enough.
In playing the devil's advocate though...here are some reasons why it made sense for the Raiders to select Derrius Heyward-Bey.
1). Bey's size and speed are quantifiable and unique. But can he catch?
2). Bey will pair with speedster Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland to form the fastest tandem in the NFL. Regardless of their hands, those two will be tough to cover but also demand attention because of their threat to go long.
That should open things up for Darren McFadden, Zach Miller and Michael Bush. Thus, by being able to truly stretch the field—that should also help the running game.
3). The Raiders were not the only teams to pass on Michael Crabtree. Seattle, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville all did the same thing. It seems to me that many teams saw the same things in Crabtree that the Raiders did. Meanwhile, murmurs have flown that some in San Francisco weren't sold on Crabtree.
4). Crabtree is already known as a diva. A big reason why teams passed on him was because of his attitude. In hearing the interviews with Crabtree, I was not impressed by him. People compare Crabtree to Jerry Rice when I think the more accurate comparison is Terrell Owens. Probably a big-time receiver, but: Is he worth the trouble? Alternatively, the Niners have taken productive players from gimmicky colleges in the past and were burned for it, such as Alex Smith from Utah.
5). It seems to me that Derrius Heyward-Bey and Michael Crabtree are equals but opposites. Bey has better tools while Crabtree had better production. Problem is, Crabtree's production was at a non-NFL program, while he refused to prove his speed. I think you can make the case that Crabtree has just as many questions around him that Bey has.
It's easy to get tantalized by gimmicky college programs like Texas Tech. More often than not though, the skill players (quarterbacks, wide receivers) from gimmicky or over overschemed schools do not pan out (eg, USC, Utah and Florida).
Sometimes productive college players flop in the NFL, while the toolsy players pan-out. Other times, the toolsy players flop and the college production pans-out. I think it's just a matter of how hard the player works at the next level, the system and his attitude. For Crabtree, he'll be a lone gunman for the Niners and thus see more double-teams, while the combo of Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland will be difficult to cover because if you double-team one -- the other has the speed to make the secondary pay. So we'll see.
6). I'm not convinced that the Raiders 'reached' for Derrius Heyward-Bey. Had they traded down, I think Bey would have been the first receiver selected, regardless.
The only other player at that spot that I truly liked was DT BJ Raji, because the Draft was deep at offensive-tackle, so it seemed wiser to select offensive-linemen in later rounds.
I'm not saying that Derrius Heyward-Bey will be a bad player or that he was a bad pick, but often times, the Al Davis draft strategy perplexes me. So we'll see.
7) Thus, the bottom line is, Michael Crabtree refused to prove his skills and wanted the tapes to do his talking. The problem with that was, the tapes are from a gimmicky program so it's hard to say what his production proved. Plus, he clearly has an attitude of self-pity. Like Terrell Owens.
So all I'm saying is, let's let the players prove which one is best.