L.A high school start running back killed by 18th st gang member good read lil long
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MISS ME WITH THAT BULLSHIT... I'M 6'3, 270 POUNDS MY DAMN SELF...DID MY STINT IN THE SHU TOO...NOT TOO MENTION DID A FEW YEARS IN THE JOINT WHEN THEY STILL HAD WEIGHTS,AND I GOT SOME HOMIES THAT ARE TALLER THAN ME,BIGGER THAN ME, AND DID LONGER STRETCHES IN THE HOLE...SO YOU AINT SCARING NOBODY FOOL...NOR ARE YOU SPECIAL...AND THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKER I EVER HIT UP THINKING HE WAS NORTENO WAS SOME FOOL THAT LOOKED MEXICAN WITH A MONGOL...WHO SAID HE NEVER EVEN BEEN UP NORTH...POOR GUY STILL GOT SERVED CAUSE THE HOMIE'S COULDNT STAND THAT STUPID ASS PATCH ON THE BACK OF HIS HEAD...
AND IF THE NORTH REALLY DID CONTROL ANYTHING...YOU FOOLS WOULD BARELY KNOW WHAT A SURENO WAS. INSTEAD ALL YOUR RAPPERS TALK ABOUT SCRAP THIS, SCRAP THAT. THERE'S TRUCES BETWEEN ALL YOUR HOODS,AND THERES NO NORTENOS IN PENS DOWN SOUTH...
BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY...
I JUST LIKE TO GET YOU MAD, SO YOU CAN FEED SOME POOR LIL KID SOME KNUCKLE SANDWICHES OR WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU CALL IT.
YOUR TOO LATE FOOL... I ALREADY QOUTED YOU AND FINISHED COUNTERING YOUR NOVELA.
MISS ME WITH THAT BULLSHIT... I'M 6'3, 270 POUNDS MY DAMN SELF...DID MY STINT IN THE SHU TOO...NOT TOO MENTION DID A FEW YEARS IN THE JOINT WHEN THEY STILL HAD WEIGHTS,AND I GOT SOME HOMIES THAT ARE TALLER THAN ME,BIGGER THAN ME, AND DID LONGER STRETCHES IN THE HOLE...SO YOU AINT SCARING NOBODY FOOL...NOR ARE YOU SPECIAL...AND THE ONLY MOTHERFUCKER I EVER HIT UP THINKING HE WAS NORTENO WAS SOME FOOL THAT LOOKED MEXICAN WITH A MONGOL...WHO SAID HE NEVER EVEN BEEN UP NORTH...POOR GUY STILL GOT SERVED CAUSE THE HOMIE'S COULDNT STAND THAT STUPID ASS PATCH ON THE BACK OF HIS HEAD...
AND IF THE NORTH REALLY DID CONTROL ANYTHING...YOU FOOLS WOULD BARELY KNOW WHAT A SURENO WAS. INSTEAD ALL YOUR RAPPERS TALK ABOUT SCRAP THIS, SCRAP THAT. THERE'S TRUCES BETWEEN ALL YOUR HOODS,AND THERES NO NORTENOS IN PENS DOWN SOUTH...
BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY...
I JUST LIKE TO GET YOU MAD, SO YOU CAN FEED SOME POOR LIL KID SOME KNUCKLE SANDWICHES OR WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU CALL IT.
YOUR TOO LATE FOOL... I ALREADY QOUTED YOU AND FINISHED COUNTERING YOUR NOVELA.
AND IF THE NORTH REALLY DID CONTROL ANYTHING...YOU FOOLS WOULD BARELY KNOW WHAT A SURENO WAS. INSTEAD ALL YOUR RAPPERS TALK ABOUT SCRAP THIS, SCRAP THAT. THERE'S TRUCES BETWEEN ALL YOUR HOODS,AND THERES NO NORTENOS IN PENS DOWN SOUTH...
BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY...
I JUST LIKE TO GET YOU MAD, SO YOU CAN FEED SOME POOR LIL KID SOME KNUCKLE SANDWICHES OR WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU CALL IT.
YOUR TOO LATE FOOL... I ALREADY QOUTED YOU AND FINISHED COUNTERING YOUR NOVELA.
Hold on nigga u dont know what ur talkin bout...i've been to a few level 3 pens down south and seen nortes in every single one...now dont get me wrong southerns ran the yards but that dont mean shit...i saw on more than few occasion 10 or 15 nortes fuck up 30 or more southerners...ya mean so dont act like nortes is weak becuz in my opinion they ride harder...not sayin southerners dont ride hard becuz yall do but at the end of the day when u see 10 nortes fuck up 30 surenos shit u got to give nortes they respect...
WHICH PEN WAS THAT FOOL??? MAYBE LIKE TEHACHAPI OR THEM BORDRELINE PENS BUT NOT ANYTHING PAST LANCASTER (I GOT HOMEBOYS IN EVERY PEN DOWN SOUTH AND THEY STILL BE SAYING THERE ISNT ANY NORTENOS ON THE YARD)...AND MAYBE YOU BEEN IN SOME YARDS WHERE NORTENOS DID HAVE THE UPPER HAND, BUT I SEEN YARDS WHERE NORTENOS COULDNT EVEN TAKE THEIR SHIRTS OFF OR THEY WOULD GET MOPPED. AND I WOULDNT UNDERESTIMATE ANY OPPONENT...BUT I SEEN NORTENOS GET CHECKED BY WOODS TOO.
HAHAHA!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE??? NAME THE PENN YOUVE BEEN TO DOWN HERE!!! THE ONLY LEVEL 3 YARDA WHERE THERE ARE NORTHERNERS HOUSED AT IN SO CAL IS CALIPAT, AND EVEN THEN, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN YARDA AT WHICH TIME THERE IS ABOUT 50-60 NORTHERNERS PRESENT AT ANY GIVEN TIME... THEYRE ONLY HOUSED THERE UNTIL HOMELAND SECURITY SCOOPS EM UP TO DEPORT THEM... THEY WOULD NEVER BE ON THE SAME YARDA AS SOUTH SIDERS, BIG DOG... THE BLACKS ARENT EVEN WIT THEM ON THAT YARDA... THEY PRETTY MUCH LIVE LIKE PIECE OF SHITS, YOU FEEL ME???
An officer testifies about images and an assertion that could tie Jamiel Shaw II to a Bloods group. His parents strongly deny he was a member.
By Jack Leonard, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 20, 2008
A defense attorney Thursday sought to link a high school football player gunned down near his Los Angeles home to a local gang embroiled in a bitter war with a rival group.
When he was killed, Jamiel Shaw II, 17, was wearing a red belt emblazoned with black skulls and a crudely written "20," used by the Rollin' 20s, a Bloods gang, a police officer testified during a downtown Los Angeles court hearing. The officer, a gang expert, said images kept on Jamiel's iPod also included symbols associated with the same gang and other signs disparaging its rivals.
The testimony came shortly before Superior Court Judge Bob S. Bowers Jr. ruled that there was enough evidence for Pedro Espinoza, 19, to stand trial for the slaying.
The portrayal of Jamiel as a possible gang member -- a depiction questioned by detectives -- is a stark departure from the picture of a trouble-free athlete destined for top colleges that emerged immediately after the March 2 killing.
His death, allegedly at the hands of a Latino gang member, touched off a fierce debate over the role that race has played in recent violence against blacks. When authorities identified the suspect as an illegal immigrant, a public outcry led Jamiel's family and others to push for a change to a controversial policy that limits when Los Angeles police officers can inquire about someone's citizenship status.
But in recent weeks, some have questioned whether Jamiel's alleged gang associations may have had more to do with the killing than race.
"We still support the family and want to make sure that justice is done, but we can no longer support the belief that Shaw was targeted because of his race," Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic Hope, said after Thursday's hearing.
Jamiel's family, however, has vigorously denied that he was a gang member and is still hoping prosecutors will file hate crime charges in the case. On Thursday, Jamiel's mother said the allegation that her son was in a gang has caused fresh pain. "I think it's wrong," said Army Sgt. Anita Shaw. "Why would you make the victim the guilty party?"
During the preliminary hearing Thursday, a neighbor of Jamiel's testified that the teenager had friends in the Rollin' 20s and was known by the nickname "Deuces Wild."
Juan Torres said he asked Jamiel several times about the nickname. The young athlete, he said, always denied that he was a member of the gang.
Espinoza's attorney, Deputy Public Defender Jorge Guzman, presented a photograph of graffiti painted on the road near the site of the shooting. The graffiti included the gang's insignia and "2 Wild," a shorthand for "Deuces Wild," he said.
Under questioning by Guzman, LAPD Det. Mark Holguin acknowledged that Jamiel's girlfriend told police he was a gang member. But the detective also said the victim had never been arrested and had never been seen by police with gang members.
"Because someone says someone's a gang member doesn't mean they are," he said.
After the hearing, Jamiel's father said the issue should not deflect attention from the issues of racial violence and illegal immigration already raised by the killing.
Jamiel Shaw Sr. said his son was never in a gang.
"He was just a regular kid growing up in the neighborhood," Shaw Sr. said. "He wasn't the pope sprinkling everyone, but at the same time my son has never even been suspended from school."
During Thursday's hearing, prosecutors focused their attention on Espinoza's reputed ties to the 18th Street gang. On a projector screen, Deputy Dist. Atty. Halim Dhanidina showed a photograph of a large "18" tattoo covering Espinoza's back. A much smaller "18" tattoo was etched near his left eye.
The letters "BK" were tattooed behind his left ear. LAPD Officer Winston Lee, a gang expert, testified that the initials stood for "Blood Killer."
The 18th Street gang, he said, includes members from different races. Lee said the gang has long been at war with Bloods, but does business with other black gangs. Jamiel lived in the Arlington Heights neighborhood, an area claimed by the Rollin' 20s Bloods gang, he said.
Torres, Jamiel's neighbor who also knew Espinoza from high school, testified that he spoke to Espinoza several days after the shooting and told him that someone had been killed in the neighborhood.
Espinoza replied: "BK all day. I'm going to wipe all the Bloods out," Torres told the court.
Espinoza has pleaded not guilty. He is scheduled to be arraigned July 3.
By Jack Leonard, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 20, 2008
A defense attorney Thursday sought to link a high school football player gunned down near his Los Angeles home to a local gang embroiled in a bitter war with a rival group.
When he was killed, Jamiel Shaw II, 17, was wearing a red belt emblazoned with black skulls and a crudely written "20," used by the Rollin' 20s, a Bloods gang, a police officer testified during a downtown Los Angeles court hearing. The officer, a gang expert, said images kept on Jamiel's iPod also included symbols associated with the same gang and other signs disparaging its rivals.
The testimony came shortly before Superior Court Judge Bob S. Bowers Jr. ruled that there was enough evidence for Pedro Espinoza, 19, to stand trial for the slaying.
The portrayal of Jamiel as a possible gang member -- a depiction questioned by detectives -- is a stark departure from the picture of a trouble-free athlete destined for top colleges that emerged immediately after the March 2 killing.
His death, allegedly at the hands of a Latino gang member, touched off a fierce debate over the role that race has played in recent violence against blacks. When authorities identified the suspect as an illegal immigrant, a public outcry led Jamiel's family and others to push for a change to a controversial policy that limits when Los Angeles police officers can inquire about someone's citizenship status.
But in recent weeks, some have questioned whether Jamiel's alleged gang associations may have had more to do with the killing than race.
"We still support the family and want to make sure that justice is done, but we can no longer support the belief that Shaw was targeted because of his race," Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic Hope, said after Thursday's hearing.
Jamiel's family, however, has vigorously denied that he was a gang member and is still hoping prosecutors will file hate crime charges in the case. On Thursday, Jamiel's mother said the allegation that her son was in a gang has caused fresh pain. "I think it's wrong," said Army Sgt. Anita Shaw. "Why would you make the victim the guilty party?"
During the preliminary hearing Thursday, a neighbor of Jamiel's testified that the teenager had friends in the Rollin' 20s and was known by the nickname "Deuces Wild."
Juan Torres said he asked Jamiel several times about the nickname. The young athlete, he said, always denied that he was a member of the gang.
Espinoza's attorney, Deputy Public Defender Jorge Guzman, presented a photograph of graffiti painted on the road near the site of the shooting. The graffiti included the gang's insignia and "2 Wild," a shorthand for "Deuces Wild," he said.
Under questioning by Guzman, LAPD Det. Mark Holguin acknowledged that Jamiel's girlfriend told police he was a gang member. But the detective also said the victim had never been arrested and had never been seen by police with gang members.
"Because someone says someone's a gang member doesn't mean they are," he said.
After the hearing, Jamiel's father said the issue should not deflect attention from the issues of racial violence and illegal immigration already raised by the killing.
Jamiel Shaw Sr. said his son was never in a gang.
"He was just a regular kid growing up in the neighborhood," Shaw Sr. said. "He wasn't the pope sprinkling everyone, but at the same time my son has never even been suspended from school."
During Thursday's hearing, prosecutors focused their attention on Espinoza's reputed ties to the 18th Street gang. On a projector screen, Deputy Dist. Atty. Halim Dhanidina showed a photograph of a large "18" tattoo covering Espinoza's back. A much smaller "18" tattoo was etched near his left eye.
The letters "BK" were tattooed behind his left ear. LAPD Officer Winston Lee, a gang expert, testified that the initials stood for "Blood Killer."
The 18th Street gang, he said, includes members from different races. Lee said the gang has long been at war with Bloods, but does business with other black gangs. Jamiel lived in the Arlington Heights neighborhood, an area claimed by the Rollin' 20s Bloods gang, he said.
Torres, Jamiel's neighbor who also knew Espinoza from high school, testified that he spoke to Espinoza several days after the shooting and told him that someone had been killed in the neighborhood.
Espinoza replied: "BK all day. I'm going to wipe all the Bloods out," Torres told the court.
Espinoza has pleaded not guilty. He is scheduled to be arraigned July 3.
