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Justice denied Indefinite detention at Guantanamo is unacceptable


A courtroom with closed-circuit TV, microphones and American flags has existed for months at the prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

And yet, the 660 prisoners there have had no trials.



They don't have lawyers, either. They aren't even charged with anything specific.


Human rights organizations have justifiably complained that the U.S. government is holding the prisoners -- some for more than 18 months -- without filing charges and without offering access to counsel.

The government says the detainees, most of them taken prisoner in Afghanistan, are suspected of having links with the fallen Taliban regime or the al-Qaida terrorist network. As "enemy combatants," the government says, the prisoners aren't subject to the rights of prisoners of war.



Yet, whatever the prisoners' legal status, their indefinite detention without charges or trial is unacceptable. And U.S. policy- makers should determine whether those circumstances might have led some Americans serving at Guantanamo to sympathize with the prisoners.

That possibility seems enhanced by the International Red Cross' demand last Friday for fair treatment of the prisoners.

The Red Cross said the mental health of prisoners is deteriorating because they "have no idea about their fate and they have no means of recourse at their disposal through any legal mechanism." Suicide attempts by 27 prisoners indicate the prisoners' desperation, the Red Cross reported.



Despite the public alarm sounded by the Red Cross, the U.S. government has made no apparent shift in its stance. That's not surprising, because the Red Cross reportedly expressed its concerns privately to the Bush administration over the past two months when its workers were at the camp.

Even if the White House and Justice Department aren't fazed, the American people should demand more accountability from the U.S. government.

Imagine the outcry in the United States if a Middle Eastern country were holding American prisoners indefinitely for vague reasons and without access to justice. The Guantanamo camp could be establishing a dangerous international precedent.



Perhaps it was an American's simple desire for justice that got Army Capt. James Yee into trouble with U.S. military authorities in Guantanamo.

Yee, an Arab-speaking, Islamic chaplain at the camp, was taken into custody Sept. 10. U.S. authorities strongly implied that he had cooperated with prisoners at Guantanmo and might be involved in espionage.

Yet, last Friday, the military charged Yee with two relatively minor counts of disobeying orders. Other charges could follow, a military spokesman said.



That means Yee, like the prisoners, could be in legal limbo.

The U.S. government should continue to aggressively pursue terrorists and their supporters. But in that pursuit, the administration should adhere to the basic American principles that suspects should know the charges against them and be granted a speedy trial. The empty military courtroom at Guantanamo should be put to use.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031016/OPINION/310160454/1030
 
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This is terrible, considering these are the same mothafuckas that shoot and jail journalists, keep women in head to toe bhurkas and enforce strict ass Islam in which you can kill your wife for looking at another man.

My heart bleeds for these poor people...
 
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Some of these people were only taken prisoner because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They have absolutely NO rights, NO lawyers, NO right to contact their family members and loved ones. They are NOT charged with any crimes.

How would you like it if you were held prisoner because of the color of your skin and/or your beliefs? If you were in the wrong part of town and you were grabbed by off the streets, stripped of your rights, thrown into a foreign prison for doing absolutely nothing?

Do you know why these men are being held outside of america?
 
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1. I'd like to see proof they were simply rounded up like cattle and grabbed off the street. And not from fucking www.KilltheUS.org, an actually well known news service. Basically all you have to back that up is hearsay and news from a few sources (who haven't printed one thing neutral or positive about the US, ever) which you HEAVILY rely on.

2. So the US Govt. doesn't have to abide by American rules, sustain the constant intrusion of American media, etc. And you know what? Even if 1 or 5 or 10 men are innocent, fucking bankkeepers, fucking clerics, you have to break an egg to make an omelette. That's like saying since some innocent people are jailed, all jails should be destroyed.

I don't hold the view that these men were racially targeted and held on no grounds or charges. Even if they are/were, too bad.

The US loses out because we can't play by the rules that other countries do. They torture with burning bamboo and the murder of family members. The US doesn't give them a lawyer, and oh my god! were fucking horrible! If the US hit someone with a nerf bat, all the fucking pure world idealists like yourself would point out the inhumanity of it.

All the while the people the US is "so brutally" torturing with a nerf bat, and not providing lawyers for, hold court in the street and stone people to death. And here you're up in arms. Of course there is no justice in this case. These people come from Theird World countries where they are motivated with death, torture, and dismemberment, and all the pansys in the US are whining about "oh, they haven't been given a lawyer!". Who gives a shit?

They're from Afghanistan. They're not gonna respond to lawyers, hot meals, conjugal visits, and HBO like we give people in the US. They'll just laugh and fuckin sing praises to Allah for being captured by such a nation of pansies.
 
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Did you even read the damn article or is your brain "already dead"?

First off, you do not have to commit a crime to be a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay, you can simply be "suspected" of having links with the fallen Taliban regime. In Afganistan, people were and still are offered CASH rewards for ANY information on people with Taliban links. That means anybody could say anybody was related to the Taliban and they would get cash on the spot. I’m not sure if you are aware but Afghanistan is a very poor country. People are very desperate for food, water and money.

So the US Govt. doesn't have to abide by American rules,
Exactly. That means they can do ANYTHING they want to these men.

I don't hold the view that these men were racially targeted and held on no grounds or charges. Even if they are/were, too bad.
Your a fucking piece of shit for saying that. So, you think its ok for someone to be picked up and held with no charges or any grounds just because of there color? "Oh Well" "thats just too bad" "sucks to be you" "Sure glad I'm white"
I now know what kind of man you truly are.


You can continue believing or telling people that we are only beating them with Nerf Bats if you want.

The US government's quality of treatment of the people detained is commonly accepted as torture by the UN and every civilized country

The U.S. has reported at least 27 suicide attempts by the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. There are also current investigations on at least two men whose deaths were ruled as homicides, found dead, alone in their cells.

FYI it's not only afgani men being held there. There are also people from all over the world.

"The US military has admitted that children aged 16 years and younger are among the detainees being interrogated at its prison camp in Guantanamo Bay"
 

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Originally posted by already dead.
you have to break an egg to make an omelette. ... I don't hold the view that these men were racially targeted and held on no grounds or charges. Even if they are/were, too bad.
If you don't speak out for the rights of others there will be no one left to speak out for your rights. Would you complain if you were innocent yet presumed guilty and detained indefinitely without a trial? I guess you wouldn't. You'd just say to yourself "too bad."

Rights only exist if they are protected and enforced. Otherwise laws on paper don't have power. If you allow our government to violate other peoples' rights, you're placing your own constitutional rights in jeopardy as well.

These people come from Theird World countries where they are motivated with death, torture, and dismemberment, and all the pansys in the US are whining about "oh, they haven't been given a lawyer!". Who gives a shit?
Considering the actions you endorsed in your post, I wonder if they say the same thing about the United States.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Jan.3.03
"A recent story in the Los Angeles Times reports that at least 10 percent of the 625 war prisoners captured in Afghanistan and now held at the notorious US naval base prison in Guantanamo Bay have “no meaningful connection” with the Taliban or Al Qaeda."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/guan-j03.shtml
how would the LA Times know that???

plus your source is the communist/socialist party for christs sake
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
how would the LA Times know that???


ok, how do u know there are prisoners in Guatamano bay? or people in cuba?

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plus your source is the communist/socialist party for christs sake
if the quote is true, then it doens't matter if its from "communist/socialist party"

you moron.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
It doesnt matter what the source is, it is refering to an LA TIMES ARTICLE! Would you feel better if I provided you with that link?
no, i guess it doesnt but then again you shouldnt complain when my newsmax articles refer to other mainstream media article as source right???
 
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if they reported how many there were there, OK i can buy that, but what i cant buy is how they come up with figures of innocent people out of thin air.
how do u know they came out with that figure out of "thin air"?
 
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nefar559 said:
how do u know they came out with that figure out of "thin air"?
because unless the LA Times ran a thorough investigation on every one of these detainees or they themselves tried these terrorists and found so many innocent they have NO MEANS OF KNOWING THAT 10% ARE INNOCENT.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
because unless the LA Times ran a thorough investigation on every one of these detainees or they themselves tried these terrorists and found so many innocent they have NO MEANS OF KNOWING THAT 10% ARE INNOCENT.
can u prove what you just said?
 
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IT IS COMMON SENSE THAT YOU CANT PROVE A PERSON IS EITHER INNOCENT OR GUILTY WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS, AND THE LA TIMES WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANYTHING UNLESS THEY ARE BEING TOLD BY SOME1 IN THE KNOW LIKE RUMSFELD OR WOLFOWITZ.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
IT IS COMMON SENSE THAT YOU CANT PROVE A PERSON IS EITHER INNOCENT OR GUILTY WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS, AND THE LA TIMES WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANYTHING UNLESS THEY ARE BEING TOLD BY SOME1 IN THE KNOW LIKE RUMSFELD OR WOLFOWITZ.
so the LA TIME is yellow journlism?
 
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WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING ANY OF THAT, THEY CAN ONLY ASSUME, AND PERSONALLY I DONT EVEN KNOW IF THE LA TIMES WROTE THAT OR IF THE COMMIES MIGHT HAVE DISTORTED IT.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING ANY OF THAT, THEY CAN ONLY ASSUME, AND PERSONALLY I DONT EVEN KNOW IF THE LA TIMES WROTE THAT OR IF THE COMMIES MIGHT HAVE DISTORTED IT.
the LA times printed something they assummed? so basiclly u saying LA TIME is yellow journlism?

those were qoute from the LA times article., i didnt see no distortion.