Just saw Constantine.

[1/2 On It]

@HERESY:
Second part of my Post:

As you know, little hallucinations aren't uncommon during sleep paralysis... these people probably just have full-on hallucinations that they are leaving their body... this also makes sense because as you may or may not know, hallucinations during sleep paralysis are actually just you're brain making sense of whats going on.
i.e. someone who believes in ghosts might wake up to see the ghost of someone strangling them(or sitting on them).. or someone who is interested in aliens and extra terresterials might wake up to a bug-eyed grey creature staring down at them.... anyways ur brain is trying to make sense of what is going on and it sometimes creates hallucinations, which can be as simple as hearing someone else in the room, or feeling an unknown presence.
these people who believe they have expierenced astral projection, perhaps they simply have hallucinations of leaving their body as their brain makes sense of what is going on in this paralyzed state. Don't you think it makes sense?

Also.. the method that Nostradamus is speculated to have used you have to lay on ur back, and you can't let youself get into deep sleep, but a slightly aware sleep (which is when sleep paralysis usually happens.)


Yea, when I was younger my parents thought I was skitzo cuz I would run crying to them in the middle of night telling them that some man kept coming in my room and holding me down.

I had a lot of anxiety problems because I too, thought I was going crazy. You have no idea how much trouble this caused me, until i learned that i had a simple condition known as sleep paralysis

 

[HERESY]

As you know, little hallucinations aren't uncommon during sleep paralysis... these people probably just have full-on hallucinations that they are leaving their body... this also makes sense because as you may or may not know, hallucinations during sleep paralysis are actually just you're brain making sense of whats going on.
i.e. someone who believes in ghosts might wake up to see the ghost of someone strangling them(or sitting on them).. or someone who is interested in aliens and extra terresterials might wake up to a bug-eyed grey creature staring down at them.... anyways ur brain is trying to make sense of what is going on and it sometimes creates hallucinations, which can be as simple as hearing someone else in the room, or feeling an unknown presence.

Yeah like a lot of people see "the old hag". I never saw anything but my room (that I can remember). I did feel a "presence" and did hear "voices" but I don't experience these things anymore. I simply experience the paralysis, wake up and go back to sleep as if nothing has happened.


these people who believe they have expierenced astral projection, perhaps they simply have hallucinations of leaving their body as their brain makes sense of what is going on in this paralyzed state. Don't you think it makes sense?

As I said before I believe sleep paralysis is a "condition" at least thats what all my research has led me to believe. Thats different from someone going into a trance and practicing the black arts.

 

[1/2 On It]

As I said before I believe sleep paralysis is a "condition" at least thats what all my research has led me to believe. Thats different from someone going into a trance and practicing the black arts.

So with the connections given do you just believe it to be a tool of the black arts?

I consider it to simply be symptoms of the "condition", it makes more sense... atleast to me

 

[Hu$tle530]

can any of you explain the gabriel the angel? I searched google for a long ass time and nothing but the mission of san gabriel came up? about the role that she played in the movie?

 

[Apathy]

^^ She was a soldier of heaven (halfbreed) who was allowed to roam earth to get souls for heaven. She wasn't allowed any direct contact with humans, just a wink and a whisper here and there to indirectly influence people.

Constantine shows her all the exorcisms and work of god he's done on earth in order to "get the word back" to god, and allow him into heaven. She's a bitch about it and tells him "You're going to hell because of the life you took. You're fucked."

 

[Camby Savelle]

Heresy or 1/2 on it, could one of you please go into more specific detail of what "sleep paralysis" actually is.

I'm very intrested.

Heresy this is All Out HOGG from way back when, me & you had some rather in depth conversations.


P.S. this thread makes me want to play Valkyrie Profile.

 

[Hu$tle530]

^^ She was a soldier of heaven (halfbreed) who was allowed to roam earth to get souls for heaven. She wasn't allowed any direct contact with humans, just a wink and a whisper here and there to indirectly influence people.

Constantine shows her all the exorcisms and work of god he's done on earth in order to "get the word back" to god, and allow him into heaven. She's a bitch about it and tells him "You're going to hell because of the life you took. You're fucked."

My bad, I guess I worded my question wrong....

I meant the role she played as using the spear of destiny to let lucifer out of the lady's stomach, aiding evil I guess you could say,....


did it say some where in the bible she would do that?

 

[TONY206]

Heresy or 1/2 on it, could one of you please go into more specific detail of what "sleep paralysis" actually is.

There was a thread involving it awhile ago. I'll search for it. I explained what I believe to have been an experience with sleep paralysis.


EDIT: LINK

It's brought up by CcytzO on the first page.

 

[1/2 On It]

^^^ it would be easier to just go to google and type in sleep paralysis, you'll learn more about it than from that thread.

 

[TONY206]

Yeah, just wanted to give him some Siccness members' experiences with it.

 

[HERESY]

@Hustle530 nothing like that is in the bible or any form of canon. The bible from the movie was "the bible from hell" and no such book exists. In some gnostic circles gabriel is often listed as a female angel but for the most part "she" is really a "he". Gabriel is never listed as half breed (nephillim) in any religious texts. He's often listed as a cherubim, throne, seraphim (which are said to have 6 wings, and are called "sons of fire") and one of the angels who "stand in the presence of God".


@Camby aka all out I didn't even know that was you pimpin. Sleep paralysis is exactly that. It's sort of like you're sleep but you're aware of the things going on around you. For the most part you can't move, speak or wake up. It's hard to open your eyes but you can see whats going on in your environment. It feels like something is holding you down and a lot of people hear voices (I did) see aliens and see demons and witches.


Heres something to read if you wanna know more:


http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html



@Half on you said:

So with the connections given do you just believe it to be a tool of the black arts?

I consider it to simply be symptoms of the "condition", it makes more sense... atleast to me


I consider it a condition/symptom that some people use as a tool. Do I think it's the devil or some demon holding me down at night? No not at all but I do know a lot of occultist want to experience what we do. Occultist want to travel the astral realm and this condition allows them to do so. Think about this for a minute. Drugs/medicine can help you when you're sick right? Are the meds bad? No and people who need meds to regulate their bodies should take them. Now compare that to the occultist. In the bible a lot of times SORCERY and WITCHCRAFT are translated as PHARMACIA which is where you get pharmacy and other related words. What do a lot of occultist do? They take drugs to have "release of the astral consciousness."


:hgk:

 

[HERESY]

@Hustle530 nothing like that is in the bible or any form of canon. The bible from the movie was "the bible from hell" and no such book exists. In some gnostic circles gabriel is often listed as a female angel but for the most part "she" is really a "he". Gabriel is never listed as half breed (nephillim) in any religious texts. He's often listed as a cherubim, throne, seraphim (which are said to have 6 wings, and are called "sons of fire") and one of the angels who "stand in the presence of God".


@Camby aka all out I didn't even know that was you pimpin. Sleep paralysis is exactly that. It's sort of like you're sleep but you're aware of the things going on around you. For the most part you can't move, speak or wake up. It's hard to open your eyes but you can see whats going on in your environment. It feels like something is holding you down and a lot of people hear voices (I did) see aliens and see demons and witches.


Heres something to read if you wanna know more:


http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html



@Half on you said:

So with the connections given do you just believe it to be a tool of the black arts?

I consider it to simply be symptoms of the "condition", it makes more sense... atleast to me


I consider it a condition/symptom that some people use as a tool. Do I think it's the devil or some demon holding me down at night? No not at all but I do know a lot of occultist want to experience what we do. Occultist want to travel the astral realm and this condition allows them to do so. Think about this for a minute. Drugs/medicine can help you when you're sick right? Are the meds bad? No and people who need meds to regulate their bodies should take them. Now compare that to the occultist. In the bible a lot of times SORCERY and WITCHCRAFT are translated as PHARMACIA which is where you get pharmacy and other related words. What do a lot of occultist do? They take drugs to have "release of the astral consciousness."


:hgk:

 

[Fridge]

So, remember when they used to burn gays?

Christians were so rightous when they burnded witches.

 

[eastbayrider510]

wow.....after reading this...i cant wait to rent it.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

i have sleep paralysis, two years ago it started when i got back into football again they say sleep paralysis can be cause by being tierd . but the last time i had it i seen something go into me it was clear , the last time befor that i felt something pushing me over moving me across my bed i woke up and for a brief second i seen a women but he face was like a trickle of lights and she winked at me . my boy's mom is a bruja she told me to sleep with a glass of warter next to my bed, since then only time i have had sleep paralysis or any bad dreams is when the cup was low on warter

 

[1/2 On It]

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html
^^^^
good site heresy

Yea I understand what you're sayin now, with the pharmacia shit, using drugs to achieve astral projection, much like sleep paralysis.

@ young wino, thats crazy with the glass of water shit

 

[I AM]

I saw it yesterday...I must say that I was expecting something better than what I saw. It was decent at parts, but it wasn't as good as I had hoped it would be.

 

[D-Locc60]

saw it yesterday....


two thumbs up....

 

[XianeX]

Thanks for the insight :H: if you say it's worthwhile I'll watch it. I saw the commercials but I had a feeling with keanu it would be a cross between "devil's advocate" and the matrix.

I just hope that it ain't garbage like "the skulls" was.

or stigmata for that matter.

 

[HERESY]

^^^ If you're looking for a lot of action this is NOT the movie for you. IMHO the movie's plot was not about good vs evil nor was it about a pure heart. It was about having gifts and not accepting those gifts. That was the core of it imho. LOL@the skulls. No it's not like that but you'll enjoy the movie if you happen to be a person who digs religion, doctrine,esoteric works etc etc etc.