Is global climate change/global warming a real phenomenon?

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Is global warming real?

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ThaG

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HiT-2-TiMeS said:
^^i agree with that too. like people will ignore stuff such as clear cutting rainforests and dumping horrible shit into water supplies and just be focused on things like cutting carbon emissions in cars. not that its a bad thing to cut emissions from cars but there are other more important problems IMO.

and to answer the thread, i definitely believe the planet is warming up. that is pretty much beyond any doubt. we are coming out of an ice age, and its getting warmer. pretty simple. BUT....what i do not believe is that the computer simulations that these climate "experts" are running have any validity when they project such a complicated system so far out, like 100 years, 50 years, or even 10 years. so IMO all the doom and gloom predictions are not really worth believing. what we need to focus on are the problems that are right in front of us...deforestation, declining fish stocks, clean water for people to drink, air quality for the sake of air quality not climate change, etc.
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You are correct about one thing - the computer models are not accurate in their predictions.

What you are not correct about is having to do with the fact that where the models are incorrect, it has so far invariably been in how bad things actually are. All inconsistencies between what the models predict and what has happened after that have been caused by much worse things happening much faster than anybody expected
 
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Calm 1 NPK 503

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Global Warming is real, it is also a natural cycle but we as humans have excelled that cycle to the point in which it has created stranger than normal weather patterns.

As I was taught this is a cleansing. Mother Earth has always cleansed herself in a way we see as a danger to our societies in which we know it.

just my .02
 
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it is real it is accelerated by what we are doing but you know what. if we fuck this planet up FOR HUMANS dont worry the planet will still be here and heal itself, our to smart for our own good asses will be gone though.
 
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Talus said:
it is real it is accelerated by what we are doing but you know what. if we fuck this planet up FOR HUMANS dont worry the planet will still be here and heal itself, our to smart for our own good asses will be gone though.
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Not necessarily

If in the desperation surrounding the collapse of the industrial civilization we burn all the coal we can dig out the ground, and it seems like this exactly what we're going to do, we may push the climate past the last tipping point beyond which the runaway global warming effect is such that the Earth is turned into what Venus is right now.

We know that this almost happened at least once, when the Permian mass extinction that wiped out 95% of life occurred, and when temperatures are thought to have risen by more than 10 degrees Celsius in a matter of a few tens of thousand years. We don't really know what pushed it back to a more suitable for living state and we don't really know what the starting point was. We have even less idea what will happen in a case of extremely rapid warming of that magnitude.

It is a low-probability scenario but it is possible
 
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nobody bothered to read this, but I will refer to it again:

http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=303637

currently, we are about to "agree" on 3 degrees of warming as "acceptable". Because of reasons that are too technical to go into right now, letting emission go to the level that would supposedly keep the climate within 3 degrees of pre-industrial levels will result in an actual warming of at least 6 degrees with a probability of about 50%. 6 degrees is already a catastrophe that hasn't been seen since the time of the dinosaurs, but we all know that in a situation of uncontrolled collapse of industrial society, nobody will care about the climate and all the coal and gas, even the dirtiest coal that can be found will be burned, forests will be cleared, the ocean completely killed and so on, so we are likely to go way above the "3 degrees" emissions...

The consequences are clear to everybody....
 
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