Is Eminem's Career Over At 6pm???

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Well damn. If you do a search on Jessica Lynch & then do a search on Soshana (Shoshana?) Johnson, you will get 2 totally different types of results. The Jessica Lynch results mostly come from major News sites. The Soshana Johnson ones, I guess, don't 'deserve' that kind of exposure.
 
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Eminem is sunk for this. No doubt. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if every Malibu Most Wanted kept buying his CDs and singlehandedly kept him afloat.
No doubt..? The chances are that nothing will come of this. It's to easy to find a dozen audio clips of black people talking shit on white's in their songs. Because of this he will continue to sell records as he has been. There is going to be issues of other magazines, interviews on television, and songs on his records, where he will explain in detail why he made the song and how he feels about it now. People getting all hyped up over this for stupid ass reasons.
 
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Locahontas said:
Well damn. If you do a search on Jessica Lynch & then do a search on Soshana (Shoshana?) Johnson, you will get 2 totally different types of results. The Jessica Lynch results mostly come from major News sites. The Soshana Johnson ones, I guess, don't 'deserve' that kind of exposure.
You should read this story.

Jessica Lynch vs Shoshana Johnson
Is it racial?

By JillUser
Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2003 on More than just Mommy
Discussion: Current Events

Did any of you wonder why Jessica got so much attention? Did you hear mutterings about the African-American woman (Shoshana) that got shot in both legs? I did.

I watched the Jessica Lynch interview last night. There was a lot of information to be gleened out of the sensationalism. I finally think I understand what the deal is. Basically, there were no witnesses to what exactly happened to Jessica. Everyone else in her vehicle died. She herself isn't even a very good witness since she was unconcious a lot. The government and media decided to fill in the blanks on their own.

They said she went down fighting to the death. They said she shot several Iraqis. When she came back, she told them that was untrue. In fact, she huddled, prayed and didn't fire a single shot (she says her weapon jammed). They decided it wouldn't serve anyone to retract their previous stories.

Shoshana on the other hand, was with a group that were held by the Iraqis. Noone could take artistic license with what happened to her because there were witnesses and footage. I personally think, and know others will disagree, that if you had switched Shoshana with Jessica, there would be no difference. Shoshana would be the girl on Primetime with Diane Sawyer and Jessica would be at home, depressed.

There is also question about how the military is treating the ladies differently. From what I gather, the military determines disability pay according to injury (which makes sense to me). Jessica is recieving much more disability pay than Shoshana and here is why: Jessica's spine is so damaged that her bladder and bowels are paralyzed. The doctors have been trying electric stimulation but she has not been responding. It is most likely a permanent disability. Her left leg was completely shattered from the knee down and her foot on that leg was crushed. She has metal plates and pins from practically head to toe. Shoshana has two damaged legs and depression as a result of torture.

In conclusion: I originally thought racism. I looked at the facts and now believe otherwise. No matter how you slice it, I feel terribly about what both ladies endured and am grateful for their service and the service of all who served and are serving.


It touches on a couple of good points. Shoshana being captured with a group of other people, while Lynch was detained by herself. The damage done to each victim and the coverage available for them. The knowabouts of what happened to Lynch played a major factor in this as well.

Some of yall will bring "race" to any issue.
 
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This is bullshit. Jessica Lynch is the whitebred Britney Spears breadbasket Montana bitch. Ain't nobody give a fuck about Shoshana Jones, cause the media and the Stupid People that make up mainstream America are still at a peurile, pavlovian response level.

"She's white, and 'attractive', quick, make a media issue about it! Save Britney Spears!"

Fuck Jessica Lynch.
 
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lol @ 'Save Britney Spears!'

@ Nitro...I wasn't trying to make it a race issue. Am I correct in saying that Shoshana was not the only person rescued (she was in a group)? So it's not like she is the only one that is/was not getting all the media hype. I can almost agree that if the media could have made up a whole bunch of stuff about Ms. Johnson or the rest of her group, that she would have gotten more media coverage than she did. I was just pointing out what I noticed when I did a search on both names. But I feel like this...if we recover any of our POWs (or whatever you wanna call em) from Iraq or whatever, they should all get pretty much the same level of media coverage. It's a wonderful thing to find & bring back people that you thought were lost or dead. Basically, the media sucks. They played that fake ass Jessica Lynch story over and over again trying to make her look like a hero for shooting at some big bad Iraqi's. Just some more good ol' USA propaganda bullshit. And by the way, I am NOT an Anti-American. I am also NOT completely against the invasion of Iraq. I just wish GWB would have stated his REAL reasons for the war.
 
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For the people who took this serious or who are still reading this thread . . .

little article for ya:

Eminem a Traditional Racist in Modern Times
http://www.tbwt.org/home/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=1

Many of us (Blacks) have been extremely apologetic or even out-right defensive of whites. For instance Black persons such as Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and many negro preachers throw themselves in front of the firing squad to take the heat for almost any white.

By Nova Mwaafrica Felder


What is our problem black people (sic)? For example when the former (negro proclaimed 1st Black president) president Bill Clinton was getting sexual favors in the oval office from a young impressionable 19 year old white women, we the black community ran to his aid. Shielded him from all
transgressions and of course as the good white supremacists Christians that we are, we forgave him. On the Flip-side when Jesse Jackson's infidelities came to light about his adulterous relationship with an adult woman that led to a love child, we, the black community instead of
sticking together and aiding our brother, spat all the negativities at him.

Jesse Jackson a man that has sacrificed much for us, his people.

Now, to get at the heart of the subject, here we have a white boy, Eminem, who has benefitted so much from us black people, economically and culturally to be specific. Saying things that are out right racist and offensive to us as black people and specifically to our wonderful African Black
Women. In an article by Shaheem Reid of MTV News it states that ten years ago Eminem recorded tracks that were of a racist nature. In one of the songs Eminem says “All the girls I like to bone have big butts/ No they don't, 'cause I don't like that nigger sh--/ I'm just here to make a bigger hit.” As Em says, he’s just here to make a bigger hit; he “don’t like that nigger sh--” but we must remember that he continues to pimp and to love the nigger sh-- of his million-dollar slave 50 cent as long as he keeps producing those green backs. He is even executive producer of the Tupac film Resurrection's Soundtrack, continuing with the Eminem philosophy “I'm just here to make a bigger hit.”

Basically insuring that he gets the “bigger hit” while we get the biggest hit of racism, oppression, and deception. Eminem on another track continues to rap and says “Blacks and whites, they sometimes mix/ But black girls only want your money, 'cause they're dumb chicks,” In this crap, I mean rap, we see the contemptuous nature that Em has for our mothers, daughters, and sisters that nurture us. He apparently feels that all of our Black sisters are gold-diggin (sic) airheads.

When Em spoke about his white mother and white baby-mother he spoke about them specifically. He did not condemn all white women. This shows that it is an issue based on race and prejudice not one of making a mistake as a youngster, as Em says it is.

Now let me ask, who is really in control of what we call hip-hop today if Eminem, a Klan member in a baseball cap and jersey (the Klan’s apparent new uniforms), can come into the African Culture of hip hop and exploit it while he continually harbors feeling of racism towards people of African descent. Is Hip Hop really in our hands?

I continue by reminding us of what Eminem’s white european ancestors have done to us these past 500 or so years. All of us captured Africans in N. America, S. America, The Caribbean, and the greater Diaspora were brought here on slave ships by the hundreds of millions and died in the
hundreds of millions. Let’s not forget the genocide that was inflicted on the 800 million plus Native Americans that were slaughtered by Eminem’s european ancestors in their conquest to control these two continents.

We must remember that it takes millennia for this type of psychosis (behavior) to develop in a people. These murderous-incestuous ways of Eminem’s european ancestor’s were not developed in a day, so how can we expect them to turn over a new leaf in less than 40 years? It was just yesterday in our parents era that we were getting hosed, hung, and flung across the streets of this bloody nation fighting for our rights just to be human. And even today in 2003 we are still continually bruised, battered and beaten at the hand of the oppressor even if it may be at the hands of a negro (defined as a mentally dead Black person) cop or authority figure handing down the brutality (social, physical, spiritual-various forms of brutality) in the guise of white supremacy.

Here are a few names of recent victims of this behavior, Alberta Spruill, Calvin Washington, Ousmane Zongo, 2003(Ashe-an ancient African call and response used when giving respect to passed on ancestors), Patrick Dorismond 1999(Ashe), Amadou Diallo (Ashe), Anthony Baez (Ashe), James Byrd (Ashe), Abner Louima. I could go on for 1000 years if I were to continue. This is just an abbreviated list of our people that have been abused, lynched and killed at the hands of contemporary white supremacy.

We, as an African people, must stop and think about the decisions we make, the causes we support, and even where we buy something as insignificant as a pair of underwear from. We must think before we speak on the Eminem situation. Before we jump to save him (as we
do to our masters traditionally – see 1st paragraph-comments on Clinton vs. Jackson or should I say The negroes vs. Jackson) we must remember what he and his ancestors stand for. Remember Em's idol is Elvis Presley, the foremost CULTURE BANDIT /PIRATE. He is following in his
footsteps. Stealing what was not created by him or for that matter for him. Hip Hop came out of us Africans as an outlet for our constant oppression. We invented this genre of African Music, Hip Hop, to forget about this oppression just for a brief moment and not always
worry about this "GREAT WHITE APE on our Backs" (Malcolm X) as opposed to getting high on drugs or some criminal activity. And now look at her (Hip Hop).

The flunkies are in total control of what is “hot” and “trendy”. The Geffens, Priorities, Sonys, and every other entity that can siphon money out of our black wallets every chance they can get, are in total control. They are the captains of the ship, The SS Hip Hop. It’s not the Jay-Zs, the
Nas’s, Tupacs, Biggies or even the negro actin’ (sic) a fool P. Diddys in control. Seemingly they are but they aren't.


Remember MY GREAT BLACK PEOPLE that our culture belongs to us that means we must control it- process it -package it -market it- eat it –and- s--t it. Our CULTURE BELONGS TO US.


The Late Great Dr. John Henrik Clarke (ASHE) says that we as Africans have always had and continue to have what others want and these others in this case the, europeans, have always been scheming to steal and separate us from what is ours. This includes Our Culture the most sacred
part of us.

Please Brothers and Sisters Remember everything I have said. Study and fight hard and take everything seriously because whether you believe it or not we are in a fight for our culture, language, history, and spirituality. Virtually ourselves.

Hotep Sisters and Brothers as long as the Sun Shines we must Move Forward and never forget in the Spirit of Sankofa and the Millions that have died for us to be here And Finally DO NOT support those that you know as a group do not support you.
 
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Locahontas said:
But I feel like this...if we recover any of our POWs (or whatever you wanna call em) from Iraq or whatever, they should all get pretty much the same level of media coverage. It's a wonderful thing to find & bring back people that you thought were lost or dead. Basically, the media sucks. They played that fake ass Jessica Lynch story over and over again trying to make her look like a hero for shooting at some big bad Iraqi's. Just some more good ol' USA propaganda bullshit. And by the way, I am NOT an Anti-American. I am also NOT completely against the invasion of Iraq. I just wish GWB would have stated his REAL reasons for the war.
I stand corrected and I agree with everything you just said.

ColdBlooded: That is one of the biggest peices of hypocrisy I have ever seen. I'm going to save that article for future references. It's funny because you can visit billboard.com, check out the hot 100, close your eyes and point to the screen, and your more than likely pointing at a rap song made by a black man who is degrading black women, but pay no mind. We have more important issues to discuss, that is ONE white man doing it. I'm sure there are 101 excuses as why it's ok for a black man to do it, but it's simply not OK. Not when your puting a white man in the spotlight for the same thing.

DaveyD.com said:
Maybe it’s me, but after hearing one on-air discussion about Eminem and his offensive behavior toward Black women, a few minutes later I heard an R. Kelly song. I kept thinking to myself, didn’t he pee on an underage black woman in a child porno video?
Game.
 

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gOOD ARTICLE COLD-BLOODED.

NITRO,
BLAK MEN SPIT ABOUT WOMEN WHO ARE "BITCHES OR HOES". AND SINCE IT'S A BLAK MAN SPEAKIN' ON HIS EXPERIENCE, THE FEMALE MOST LIKELY IS BLAK. BUT HE AIN'T CALLIN' HER OUT OF HER NAME CAUSE SHE BLAK, UNLIKE FEMINEM.
 
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I don't think he called her out because she was black. According to the story it was his ex-girlfriend. I can think of numerous reasons why he would talk shit to her, have you heard the song "Kim"? He shouldn't have referenced skin color like that though.
 
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THIS WAS NEVER MEANT FOR THE PUBLICS EYES!!!

THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL!!!

EMINEM IS NOT RACIST!!!

HE SAID SOME STUPID SHIT!!!

I'VE SAID SOME STUPID SHIT!!!

BUT I'VE ATLEAST LOOKED AROUND THE ROOM FOR A MICROPHONE WHEN I SAID IT!!!

EM'S STUPID FOR THIS, BUT GIVE THE GUY A BREAK!!!

I SHIT MYSELF INSIDE THE SUPERMARKET 10 YEARS AGO!!!

YOU GONNA HOLD THAT AGAINST ME???

FUCK IT!!!
 

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NITRO,
YOU STRESSED, "Do you really think he's caught up? Do you believe he will suffer consequences in anyway including financial wise?"

TRUE COLORS WERE SHOWN. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'LL HAVE AS MUCH RESPECT AS HE ONCE DID. I DON'T BELIEVE HE WILL BE THE LITTLE ASSHOLE TRYIN' TO TELL THE TRUTH NO MORE CAUSE MUTHA-FUKAS ARE gONNA LOOK DOWN ON HIM FOR THAT. AND I BELIEVE WHATEVA TYPE OF gHETTO PASS HE DID HAVE, WILL BE REVOKED. PLUS, I THINK MORE BROTHAS gONNA BE TESTIN' HIM AND HIS TEAM.
 
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Eminem never had that soul from the hood from the start.

He says he grew up economically depressed, but that don't mean he was connected to Black people at all.

I mean look at A-Wax, and look at Eminem.

Eminem is basically a skater that raps. His attitudes and his mindset are very much entrenched in White America, even if he sits back and criticizes white people from time to time.

The fact that he said some dumb shit on wax is secondary to the fact that he never saw what it is from the start.

Eminem's whole career is based on callin people ni**er. If you rap, you're saying "I understand Black people."

You're saying "I have a connection to Black people" "I have a connection to the ghetto", even if you're white as fuck.

Eminem never held any street credibility from the start, so in a way it's fitting that this comes to light about him.

I never got into his shit anyways. I posted about the fact that Eminem only sells because he's white on Eminem.com, and they were straight up calling me a "ni**er", before even knowing what race I was.

Eminem never had ground to stand on in the first place. Hopefully this will knock the ground out from under him even farther.
 
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See but phil, Mclean, Nitro, all you "conservatives" predictably rush to his defense...who cares if Benzino or Jay Z is accusing him?

Who cares who brought the charges up? What matters is what the charges are.
 
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already dead. said:
I never got into his shit anyways. I posted about the fact that Eminem only sells because he's white on Eminem.com, and they were straight up calling me a "ni**er", before even knowing what race I was.
See the thing is, you don't even know eminem. All you know is that when he was a kid he made derogitory racial remarks (something often done by black rappers today) to black women (often something done as well) today. So were hating eminem because of something he did when he was a kid, and bobbin' our heads to black rappers doing it today. I'm not defening eminem, I'm defending the truth and what I believe is right. Eminem knows what he is talking about in his songs, why don't you post this at eminem.com, it's from his own song "White America":

Verse 2
Look at these eyes baby blue baby just like yaself
If they were brown
Shady lose Shady sits on the shelf
But Shady's cute
Shady knew Shady's dimples would help
Make ladies swoon baby (ooo baby)
Look at myself!
Let's do the math
If I was black I woulda sold half
I ain't have to graduate from Lincoln High School to know that
But I can rap so fuck school
I'm too cool to go back
Gimme the mic
Show me where the fuckin' studios at
When I was underground
No one gave a fuck I was white
No labels wanted to sign me
Almost gave up, I was like "Fuck it"
Until I met Dre
The only one who looked past
Gave me a chance
And I lit a fire up under his ass
Helped him get back to the top
Every fan black that I got
Was probably his in exchange for every white fan that hes got
Like damn we just swapped
Sittin' back look at this shit wow
I'm like "My skin, is it startin' to work to my benefit now?"

already dead. said:
See but phil, Mclean, Nitro, all you "conservatives" predictably rush to his defense...who cares if Benzino or Jay Z is accusing him?
Your assessment on my political stance is much like the one you made about eminem, completely in error.
 
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what i dont understand is how much attention this is gettin, anyone who knows anything knows benzino just wants eminem brought down cuz he got clowned...benzino said in the press conference for releasing the tape that he wanted everyone to take action about it...totally hipocritical because he has artists in his mag all the time doggin females PLUS, it was 10 years ago...everyone think about somethin stupid they did 10 years ago and then have it thrown in your face...id laugh like ok where were you ten years ago when this mattered???