Is Eminem's Career Over At 6pm???
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Very good point. This, paired up with the black reaction to a white man doing the same thing, is a prime example of what we call REVERSE RACISM.
And eminem's comments are based upon his expierence, frustration, and anger at a young age. Your justifications are poorly constructed and hold no worth.
Exactly. He tries--on every occasaion--to justify black racism by saying "that is the black perception" or "that is based on the black expierence" but he fails to realize that white people go through some bad times in their life as well. Eminem grew up in a predominantly black area, where he was the minority; now according to EDJ's logic if eminem were to get treated poorly by black people in that area (as he was by his ex-girlfriend) then he is justified in making racial comments such as he did in that song. So there is not only a double standard, but a high volume of "REVERSE RACISM" (as stated at the beginning of this post) in EDJ as well as many other's who support his (EDJ's) beliefs on eminems comments.
LOL @ HERESY. Im' beginning to realize what I felt from the beginning; that being my views are VERY similar to HERESY's and the conflict between us came LARGELY in part that I'm a "WHITE" guy trying to say the things that only a black man "should" say.
EDJ you need to read (again) and study what HERESY just laid out for this forum.
And eminem's comments are based upon his expierence, frustration, and anger at a young age. Your justifications are poorly constructed and hold no worth.
Exactly. He tries--on every occasaion--to justify black racism by saying "that is the black perception" or "that is based on the black expierence" but he fails to realize that white people go through some bad times in their life as well. Eminem grew up in a predominantly black area, where he was the minority; now according to EDJ's logic if eminem were to get treated poorly by black people in that area (as he was by his ex-girlfriend) then he is justified in making racial comments such as he did in that song. So there is not only a double standard, but a high volume of "REVERSE RACISM" (as stated at the beginning of this post) in EDJ as well as many other's who support his (EDJ's) beliefs on eminems comments.
LOL @ HERESY. Im' beginning to realize what I felt from the beginning; that being my views are VERY similar to HERESY's and the conflict between us came LARGELY in part that I'm a "WHITE" guy trying to say the things that only a black man "should" say.
EDJ you need to read (again) and study what HERESY just laid out for this forum.
the "blak experience"? lol, okay, if thats what you think rap is about...violent killings, threats, smoking weed, drinking, fukkin bitch after bitch, and bragging about how hard you are, is that really what you view as tha "blak experience"? kuz thats what most rap is about. i don't see that as tha "blak experience" bekause most blakk people dont do tha type a shit, and tha one's who do don't do it kuz of tha kolor of their skin, they do it mostly kuz thats how growing up with their surroundings has made them
^YOU MUST BE CLUELESS. RAP IS ONLY PART OF THE BLAK COMMUNITY. RAP IS A SUBCULTURE OF THAT CULTURE. AND PART OF WHAT NIggAS RAP ABOUT MAY BE NEgATIVE TO YOUR PERCEPTION, BUT IF IT AIN'T REAL, THAN IT AIN'T REAL, WHETHA IT'S NEgATIVE OR NOT, OR YOU PERCEIVE IT WHATEVA THE FUK. NOT ALL RAP ABOUT IS WHAT YOU LABEL. RAP IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. YOU THE ONE LOOKIN' AT IT, TRYIN' TO JUDgE, gENERALIZE IT, AND LABEL IT. IF YOU LOOKIN' AT TRENDS THAN YOU MUST BE A FOLLOWER. I JUST LET THEM PASS ME BY. I DO MY OWN THANg.
KRAZY,
I MISSED IT. IT'S HARD CATCHIN' THAT SHIT WHEN I AIN'T HOME.
KRAZY,
I MISSED IT. IT'S HARD CATCHIN' THAT SHIT WHEN I AIN'T HOME.
When a blakk man raps, it is representative of certain aspekts of tha blakk culture...so when a latino raps and says tha same shit, is it still representative of those aspekts of tha blakk kulture? Yes, but it is also representative of tha latin culture (or at least part of it). If rap is representative of those aspekts of both tha black and tha latin cultures, then why do you konsider it to only be the "blak experience"? People of all bakkrounds go thru tha shit they talk about in rap, and as you kno, not all rappers are blakk. If a latino is rapping about some shit he's been thru in his life, do you still konsider that to be the "blak experience"? Or a white guy for that matter, or asian, or whatever...if they're rapping about their life and their surroundings and themselves, how kan that be only tha "blak experience"? Kuz you said that rap, all rap, is the "blak experience." Rap is about street life, day ta day shit, ghetto shit, releasing anger and other emotions, having fun, speaking out for all those who are in tha same position and kan relate, and much, much more. Rap isn't just the "blak experience." You get what i'm sayin?
Eminem, Racism & Hip-Hop
By Davey D, November 24, 2003
Eminem? Who gives a fuck? I’ve always assumed that “nigga” leaves his lips often behind closed doors anyway - 10-year-old tape or not. Shame on hip-hop for bein’ suckered by the hype. In general I make it a rule of thumb not to comment on other artists. What we need to focus on instead is the bigger picture. The entire industry now seems to be built on the degradation of black women and the pimping of our culture. The Source is just as guilty of this as Em and a host of others. BET, MTV, Innerscope, Def Jam, Aftermath, So So Def, Murder Inc., Tha Row, Bad Boy, Clear Channel, Viacom - pick one - they’re ALL guilty. All this negative fake gangsta wanna be pimp-Gotti bullshit is as phony as it gets - especially in an industry that supposed to pride itself on “keepin’ it real.” Don’t focus on what this white boy said when niggas clown black women all of the time. Focus on ALL of these sorry ass artists and the white labels that profit by giving them a voice.
-Paris
This morning, I had an opportunity to peep the song by Eminem in which he makes some extremely disparaging remarks about Black women. To say the least, what he said, whether or not he was 16 or 21, as the Source Magazine claims, is indefensible. He should own up to it and apologize.
He should do it, not because Dave Mays, Benzino and The Source are pressuring him. He shouldn't apologize because of all the negative publicity that may erode some of his fan base and market share. He shouldn't apologize because Interscope Records, XXL, Rollingstone, Radio and video outlets that play his music, Dr. Dre and any other person or institution financially connected to Em will be questioned about their judgment or lack thereof. He should apologize because what he said was offensive and hurtful.
And while, I understand, he may have been hurting himself when he made his songs, he still should apologize. As far as I'm concerned Black women deserve to hear that. If Em does do that and he is as sincere and forthcoming with his feelings as he is in his other songs, he will be several steps ahead of a whole lot of people who dis Black women and support the dissing of Black women everyday.
For example, notice, how MTV never apologized for inviting Snoop Dogg to come on their awards show holding sistas strapped to dog leashes. That image was shown all over the world. Nor did MTV apologize for 50 Cent coming on stage with a cadre of real life pimps-which was also shown around the world. Notice how BET never apologized for that offensive stereotypical cartoon Cita? Has Bob Johnson ever apologized for the hours of videos depicting gyrating women who get beer poured on them in videos.
To my knowledge no major radio conglomerate - from Clear Channel to Radio One - has gone on record to publicly apologize for the hours upon hours of music they play that regularly degrades Black women. The words 'Ho' and 'Bitch' - which was once peeped out from songs - is heard so much that it is now left in for all to hear on the record labels official 'radio edits'.
To my knowledge no major radio outlet or video outlet for that matter has apologized for the hours upon hours of airtime they have granted to artists who have inflicted physical abuse upon Black women. We still hear R. Kelly songs, Ike Turner is lauded as a musical genius, and Rick James is a staple on your oldies station. Dr Dre is a Hip Hop icon.
Here in Cali, Sugar Free who candidly admits to his pimping background and makes no bones about returning to the game if need be gets played all the time. Alongside Sugar Free are scores of wanna be pimps ranging from Nick Cannon to Nelly. Pimping sistas is big business in the music biz nowadays and I'm not quite sure which is more offensive, Eminem's racist song or the predominantly white media executives who give the final green light as to what gets played and doesn't get played to the masses via mainstream media outlets.
All I know is that not only is anyone NOT apologizing to sistas, very few are making a concerted effort to curtail this bad behavior or even offer a balanced perspective. I'm still running into artists who are frustrated because their music is being pushed to the side by non-black program and music directors as well as a few black folks who bought into the nonsense that in order to be hip and happening in 2003, you have to be gully and keep your music pimpish. I say we use this situation involving Eminem to end the daily barrage of offensive material depicting Black women.
I'm saying all this because I think it’s important that we don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Let's not get sidetracked by a discussion around Eminem who basically said what Black artist say everyday in their music. Black women have become 'whores', 'gold diggers', 'bitches' and every other negative stereotype in our entertainment. Let’s focus on those powerful folks behind the scenes who call the shots. These are the same media folks who allow a two hour discussion about Eminem, complete with interviews from the Source owners Dave Mays and Benzino and an airing of the song during morning and evening drive time, but will shut the discussion down when the topic turns to questioning our involvement in the war, the Partriot Act, police brutality or the difference in treatment and amount of attention paid to white ‘war hero’ Jessica Lynch and Black ‘war hero' Soshana Johnson. Heck radio stations in LA that are knee deep in the discussion about Eminem couldn’t hold equally compelling discussions when Daz, WC, RBX and numerous other ‘gangsta’ rappers came together to do an anti-war song. In fact some stations like KKBT instructed their listeners to remove the song from the airwaves.
As we think about some these things, we should also pay close attention to how this plays out and see what sort of double standards emerge. To this day Chuck D and Public Enemy are still getting flack for statements made by Professor Griff over 10 years ago which were deemed anti-semitic. There was never any forgiveness. Cypress Hill saw their records get banned by Bay Area radio stations after one of the members of an opening act to their tour 10 years ago asked a San Francisco audience ‘if they were men or fags’. Def Jeff found himself shut out from doing nightclubs when he shouted ‘all the people with aids be quiet!’. The list goes on. Will Eminem’s offensive remarks be overlooked and forgiven? Will radio stations stop playing his songs? Will his videos be banned? If Em’s callous remarks from 10 years can be forgiven will we finally forgive Public Enemy or even Jessie Jackson for racially insensitive statements they made 10 and 20 years ago? Will Bill O’Reilly, who often expresses his concern about the divisive and offensive aspect of rapper's material, lead the charge to boycott Eminem? Will he instruct all those working class viewers to boycott Eminem like he did with Ludacris? We can’t have it both ways.
If the issue is really about Em making disparaging remarks about Black women, will all of us in Hip Hop challenge ourselves and demand apologies from every artist who disses Black women? Will we hold their feet to the fire? Will we finally end the mass pimping that dominates the game right now? Better yet, forget the artists - will those of us who can decide what to play or not to play stop playing this offensive material? Maybe it’s me, but after hearing one on-air discussion about Eminem and his offensive behavior toward Black women, a few minutes later I heard an R. Kelly song. I kept thinking to myself, didn’t he pee on an underage black woman in a child porno video?
Something to think about...
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Great article!
By Davey D, November 24, 2003
Eminem? Who gives a fuck? I’ve always assumed that “nigga” leaves his lips often behind closed doors anyway - 10-year-old tape or not. Shame on hip-hop for bein’ suckered by the hype. In general I make it a rule of thumb not to comment on other artists. What we need to focus on instead is the bigger picture. The entire industry now seems to be built on the degradation of black women and the pimping of our culture. The Source is just as guilty of this as Em and a host of others. BET, MTV, Innerscope, Def Jam, Aftermath, So So Def, Murder Inc., Tha Row, Bad Boy, Clear Channel, Viacom - pick one - they’re ALL guilty. All this negative fake gangsta wanna be pimp-Gotti bullshit is as phony as it gets - especially in an industry that supposed to pride itself on “keepin’ it real.” Don’t focus on what this white boy said when niggas clown black women all of the time. Focus on ALL of these sorry ass artists and the white labels that profit by giving them a voice.
-Paris
This morning, I had an opportunity to peep the song by Eminem in which he makes some extremely disparaging remarks about Black women. To say the least, what he said, whether or not he was 16 or 21, as the Source Magazine claims, is indefensible. He should own up to it and apologize.
He should do it, not because Dave Mays, Benzino and The Source are pressuring him. He shouldn't apologize because of all the negative publicity that may erode some of his fan base and market share. He shouldn't apologize because Interscope Records, XXL, Rollingstone, Radio and video outlets that play his music, Dr. Dre and any other person or institution financially connected to Em will be questioned about their judgment or lack thereof. He should apologize because what he said was offensive and hurtful.
And while, I understand, he may have been hurting himself when he made his songs, he still should apologize. As far as I'm concerned Black women deserve to hear that. If Em does do that and he is as sincere and forthcoming with his feelings as he is in his other songs, he will be several steps ahead of a whole lot of people who dis Black women and support the dissing of Black women everyday.
For example, notice, how MTV never apologized for inviting Snoop Dogg to come on their awards show holding sistas strapped to dog leashes. That image was shown all over the world. Nor did MTV apologize for 50 Cent coming on stage with a cadre of real life pimps-which was also shown around the world. Notice how BET never apologized for that offensive stereotypical cartoon Cita? Has Bob Johnson ever apologized for the hours of videos depicting gyrating women who get beer poured on them in videos.
To my knowledge no major radio conglomerate - from Clear Channel to Radio One - has gone on record to publicly apologize for the hours upon hours of music they play that regularly degrades Black women. The words 'Ho' and 'Bitch' - which was once peeped out from songs - is heard so much that it is now left in for all to hear on the record labels official 'radio edits'.
To my knowledge no major radio outlet or video outlet for that matter has apologized for the hours upon hours of airtime they have granted to artists who have inflicted physical abuse upon Black women. We still hear R. Kelly songs, Ike Turner is lauded as a musical genius, and Rick James is a staple on your oldies station. Dr Dre is a Hip Hop icon.
Here in Cali, Sugar Free who candidly admits to his pimping background and makes no bones about returning to the game if need be gets played all the time. Alongside Sugar Free are scores of wanna be pimps ranging from Nick Cannon to Nelly. Pimping sistas is big business in the music biz nowadays and I'm not quite sure which is more offensive, Eminem's racist song or the predominantly white media executives who give the final green light as to what gets played and doesn't get played to the masses via mainstream media outlets.
All I know is that not only is anyone NOT apologizing to sistas, very few are making a concerted effort to curtail this bad behavior or even offer a balanced perspective. I'm still running into artists who are frustrated because their music is being pushed to the side by non-black program and music directors as well as a few black folks who bought into the nonsense that in order to be hip and happening in 2003, you have to be gully and keep your music pimpish. I say we use this situation involving Eminem to end the daily barrage of offensive material depicting Black women.
I'm saying all this because I think it’s important that we don't lose sight of the bigger picture. Let's not get sidetracked by a discussion around Eminem who basically said what Black artist say everyday in their music. Black women have become 'whores', 'gold diggers', 'bitches' and every other negative stereotype in our entertainment. Let’s focus on those powerful folks behind the scenes who call the shots. These are the same media folks who allow a two hour discussion about Eminem, complete with interviews from the Source owners Dave Mays and Benzino and an airing of the song during morning and evening drive time, but will shut the discussion down when the topic turns to questioning our involvement in the war, the Partriot Act, police brutality or the difference in treatment and amount of attention paid to white ‘war hero’ Jessica Lynch and Black ‘war hero' Soshana Johnson. Heck radio stations in LA that are knee deep in the discussion about Eminem couldn’t hold equally compelling discussions when Daz, WC, RBX and numerous other ‘gangsta’ rappers came together to do an anti-war song. In fact some stations like KKBT instructed their listeners to remove the song from the airwaves.
As we think about some these things, we should also pay close attention to how this plays out and see what sort of double standards emerge. To this day Chuck D and Public Enemy are still getting flack for statements made by Professor Griff over 10 years ago which were deemed anti-semitic. There was never any forgiveness. Cypress Hill saw their records get banned by Bay Area radio stations after one of the members of an opening act to their tour 10 years ago asked a San Francisco audience ‘if they were men or fags’. Def Jeff found himself shut out from doing nightclubs when he shouted ‘all the people with aids be quiet!’. The list goes on. Will Eminem’s offensive remarks be overlooked and forgiven? Will radio stations stop playing his songs? Will his videos be banned? If Em’s callous remarks from 10 years can be forgiven will we finally forgive Public Enemy or even Jessie Jackson for racially insensitive statements they made 10 and 20 years ago? Will Bill O’Reilly, who often expresses his concern about the divisive and offensive aspect of rapper's material, lead the charge to boycott Eminem? Will he instruct all those working class viewers to boycott Eminem like he did with Ludacris? We can’t have it both ways.
If the issue is really about Em making disparaging remarks about Black women, will all of us in Hip Hop challenge ourselves and demand apologies from every artist who disses Black women? Will we hold their feet to the fire? Will we finally end the mass pimping that dominates the game right now? Better yet, forget the artists - will those of us who can decide what to play or not to play stop playing this offensive material? Maybe it’s me, but after hearing one on-air discussion about Eminem and his offensive behavior toward Black women, a few minutes later I heard an R. Kelly song. I kept thinking to myself, didn’t he pee on an underage black woman in a child porno video?
Something to think about...
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Great article!