Iraqi Soldier Who Killed U.S. Troops is a Hero
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that'll never happen....people who support the army and all that on here, for the most part would never join....they are just like the people they are telling to leave the country...only less intelligent, cause at least the people who don't support the war/troops etc have good reason...like the fact that we are there illegally in the first place, or the fact that we propped up Saddam until he gained more power and then executed him....or gave him the weapons earlier on...i mean shit, those reasons must just be conspiracy theories....lol....
i was thinking that shit too, hahaha...
i was thinking that shit too, hahaha...
Exactly.
Who got rid of Habeas Corpus? I believe that was the Bush Admin. What else did they do? Illegally invaded another country and executed it's leader, after this country put him into power to do our bidding until he got powerful and said fuck off.
And just so you know what Habeas Corpus is Coondogg, I will post the definition.
This is just a little bit, I will provide links in case you need further explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...snum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=habeas+corpus&spell=1
Our own government is taking away our rights and telling us it's to protect our freedom....if you don't have freedom in the first fucking place, you have nothing to protect....if you can't figure the rest out on your own, I don't know what to tell you (but telling you anything more will be a waste of my time).
Who got rid of Habeas Corpus? I believe that was the Bush Admin. What else did they do? Illegally invaded another country and executed it's leader, after this country put him into power to do our bidding until he got powerful and said fuck off.
And just so you know what Habeas Corpus is Coondogg, I will post the definition.
This is just a little bit, I will provide links in case you need further explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...snum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=habeas+corpus&spell=1
Our own government is taking away our rights and telling us it's to protect our freedom....if you don't have freedom in the first fucking place, you have nothing to protect....if you can't figure the rest out on your own, I don't know what to tell you (but telling you anything more will be a waste of my time).
you know you would have a terrorist in your porch trying to break in and kill you and steal your shit if the troops weren't in Iraq (and every other country around the world for the most part).
those fucking terrorists would be invading our country with their huge massive armies with jets and fighter planes and ships of all kinds with weapons of mass destruction...
those terrorists are just waiting for the US to leave Iraq! Cause Iraq is the only fucking place they are located! fuckin right eh!
those fucking terrorists would be invading our country with their huge massive armies with jets and fighter planes and ships of all kinds with weapons of mass destruction...
those terrorists are just waiting for the US to leave Iraq! Cause Iraq is the only fucking place they are located! fuckin right eh!
you know you would have a terrorist in your porch trying to break in and kill you and steal your shit if the troops weren't in Iraq (and every other country around the world for the most part).
those fucking terrorists would be invading our country with their huge massive armies with jets and fighter planes and ships of all kinds with weapons of mass destruction...
those terrorists are just waiting for the US to leave Iraq! Cause Iraq is the only fucking place they are located! fuckin right eh!
those fucking terrorists would be invading our country with their huge massive armies with jets and fighter planes and ships of all kinds with weapons of mass destruction...
those terrorists are just waiting for the US to leave Iraq! Cause Iraq is the only fucking place they are located! fuckin right eh!
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I like the passion people speak with in this thread, it highlights how big of a problem and how polarized this nation has become. But i have a few questions. and you might ask "why dont you say anything about coondogg". Well because in my opinion from other threads hes a complete fucking idiot, its like asking me to steal lunch money from a retarded kid.
yeah you can be charged for murder, not shot on site, and they didnt murder her, one of them drug her by the hair, even the uncle only says that the soldiers made the women cry. im not defending what they did, but this isnt a very good comparison. he probably should have shot the dude.
so as long as a few are committing these acts, you support 100% the right for those being perpetrated against to kill "each and every single one of them" referring to the rest of the military? Which natural resources are the ground troops stealing for themselves? Hmmm...Donald Rumsfeld and Bush i would assume, thought along the same lines. This is basically the redneck argument against all of Islam except you flip sides. Its also the argument against illegal immigrants, but but remove killing and torturing and add deportation. .
you refer a lot to imperialism. what do you think the motivation of this imperialism is? and what benefits do you think can come of it? and the statement that the enitre world hates america is quite ridiculous. some of it hates us, others are naturally jealous of our posistion and projection of power, and a large part loves us. if they truley hate us, hollywood wouldnt be the biggest cultural influence in the entire world. its why the poor claim to hate the rich but try to emulate them. but if you are only talking from a military perspective, then you still cant say the entire world. Israel loves Bush.
and finally, 9/11 happened because of the actions of out military you say. so seriously look at this, where was our militray when that happened? where was our military during the USS Cole bombing ? I'm hoping you would say "well no shit, but its because of things we had done way before that" and give me some historical facts and context. the point i want to make, is that those historical events will not be erased if we leave iraq, they will not be erased just because our military comes home. the damage we have done will follow and haunt our nation for some time, this is what i think the hawks reason and the justification for us escalating. basically, we have already come too far to go back now, some would say. and again, so long as we support israel, we will always be a target. can we agree on that?
huh?
are you really firmly against illegal acts or do you just pick and choose? you dont strike me as someone who strictly follows laws or even has regard for them when it comes to yourself, but i notice you harp on this "illegal invasion" quite a bit. And a serious question, which nation would you prefer to see as emerge as the next world power, and why do you think they will not fall victim to their own greed?
i enjoy sarcasm. this is percieved by some as a clash of civilizations, we have all discussed this before. if he doesnt understand why some people say those things, he should pick up "Milestones" its free on the internet. Dont tell me im the only one who has read this.
yeah you can be charged for murder, not shot on site, and they didnt murder her, one of them drug her by the hair, even the uncle only says that the soldiers made the women cry. im not defending what they did, but this isnt a very good comparison. he probably should have shot the dude.
so as long as a few are committing these acts, you support 100% the right for those being perpetrated against to kill "each and every single one of them" referring to the rest of the military? Which natural resources are the ground troops stealing for themselves? Hmmm...Donald Rumsfeld and Bush i would assume, thought along the same lines. This is basically the redneck argument against all of Islam except you flip sides. Its also the argument against illegal immigrants, but but remove killing and torturing and add deportation. .
you refer a lot to imperialism. what do you think the motivation of this imperialism is? and what benefits do you think can come of it? and the statement that the enitre world hates america is quite ridiculous. some of it hates us, others are naturally jealous of our posistion and projection of power, and a large part loves us. if they truley hate us, hollywood wouldnt be the biggest cultural influence in the entire world. its why the poor claim to hate the rich but try to emulate them. but if you are only talking from a military perspective, then you still cant say the entire world. Israel loves Bush.
and finally, 9/11 happened because of the actions of out military you say. so seriously look at this, where was our militray when that happened? where was our military during the USS Cole bombing ? I'm hoping you would say "well no shit, but its because of things we had done way before that" and give me some historical facts and context. the point i want to make, is that those historical events will not be erased if we leave iraq, they will not be erased just because our military comes home. the damage we have done will follow and haunt our nation for some time, this is what i think the hawks reason and the justification for us escalating. basically, we have already come too far to go back now, some would say. and again, so long as we support israel, we will always be a target. can we agree on that?
huh?
are you really firmly against illegal acts or do you just pick and choose? you dont strike me as someone who strictly follows laws or even has regard for them when it comes to yourself, but i notice you harp on this "illegal invasion" quite a bit. And a serious question, which nation would you prefer to see as emerge as the next world power, and why do you think they will not fall victim to their own greed?
i enjoy sarcasm. this is percieved by some as a clash of civilizations, we have all discussed this before. if he doesnt understand why some people say those things, he should pick up "Milestones" its free on the internet. Dont tell me im the only one who has read this.
< Not GO Army don't know why you would think that.
I said he's a murderer because thats all I got from the story. Being nonbiased means you don't immediatly jump to one side and thats what I try to be (doesn't always happen but oh well my opinion don't mean shit!) Believe it or not their are people in this world who will lets say kill somebody for one reason like I don't know making racist comments about a given race and then lie about it and say they did it for another reason like protecting a womans honor. Not saying thats what happened but again how am i supposed to know because dude says so?
Regardless if smacking around arab women was punishable by death over there half the men in the middle east would be in body bags.
As far as killing of american troops by iraqis is concerned its their country and we shouldn't be their unless we're on vacation so when we are there uninvited its their call.
LOL @ 206's H impression
I said he's a murderer because thats all I got from the story. Being nonbiased means you don't immediatly jump to one side and thats what I try to be (doesn't always happen but oh well my opinion don't mean shit!) Believe it or not their are people in this world who will lets say kill somebody for one reason like I don't know making racist comments about a given race and then lie about it and say they did it for another reason like protecting a womans honor. Not saying thats what happened but again how am i supposed to know because dude says so?
Regardless if smacking around arab women was punishable by death over there half the men in the middle east would be in body bags.
As far as killing of american troops by iraqis is concerned its their country and we shouldn't be their unless we're on vacation so when we are there uninvited its their call.
LOL @ 206's H impression
If people are being killed, then I am against the illegal act, unless it's complete self defense (but then it wouldn't be illegal). I would really have to base it on a case by case situation, otherwise I would be over generalizing and making assumptions.
I do not like to see innocent people die. But you are correct, I do not hold regard for the law when it comes to myself....but I don't really do much illegal shit, besides smoke weed and speed--in my car, I don't smoke speed, lol.
To me, murdering is quite different than sitting on my couch, or at the beach, smoking a joint, or a blunt or what have you.
Honestly, which nation....hmm...I would have to say I'm not too sure. I can almost 100% guarantee that the US would succumb to it's own greed, as it always does. However, if we prop up another dictator/government in Iraq, we can give that 10 years and they'll be against us by then and who knows what'll happen.
I think most people assume that I hate this country. That is not so, I hate the people running this country, and what they stand for. I like this country, I just think there need to be some extremely drastic changes made.
In all honesty, I think that no matter what happens, we're pretty much fucked.
I'm glad you enjoy sarcasm. And I don't know if you're the only one that's read it, but I haven't, so I'll look it up.
I do not like to see innocent people die. But you are correct, I do not hold regard for the law when it comes to myself....but I don't really do much illegal shit, besides smoke weed and speed--in my car, I don't smoke speed, lol.
To me, murdering is quite different than sitting on my couch, or at the beach, smoking a joint, or a blunt or what have you.
Honestly, which nation....hmm...I would have to say I'm not too sure. I can almost 100% guarantee that the US would succumb to it's own greed, as it always does. However, if we prop up another dictator/government in Iraq, we can give that 10 years and they'll be against us by then and who knows what'll happen.
I think most people assume that I hate this country. That is not so, I hate the people running this country, and what they stand for. I like this country, I just think there need to be some extremely drastic changes made.
In all honesty, I think that no matter what happens, we're pretty much fucked.
I'm glad you enjoy sarcasm. And I don't know if you're the only one that's read it, but I haven't, so I'll look it up.
Yes, that is correct. As long as the military is illegally and unethically destroying their homeland, they have the right to defend themselves. It's also important that there is a high Amerikan death toll in order for the Iraqi resistance to be "successful", which increases the chance of the US getting the fuck out of there.
Who said they were stealing it for themselves? They are stealing it for the people they decided to work for.
no, it's not. There is logic in my thinking. In order for Iraqi's to be "victorious" (meaning, they can have their country to their own), they need to defend it by fighting (killing) the foreign invaders. It sucks, but they have that right to defend themselves as free people.
No, not at all. I'm specifically talking about Iraqi's defending their homeland, natural resources, right to decide their own future, etc.
How could one speak on Iraq without ultimately linking it to the true motive.
Capitalism. (Imperialism is "the highest stage of capitalism" )
Benefits to whom? The US or Iraq?
No benefits to the Iraqi people whatsoever.
Obvious benefits to the US.
Ok, the majority of the world hates the US. Better?
Gee, I wonder why.
All over the world.
All over the world.
Well you don't need to ask me for historical facts and context. Just look at what Mr. Osama said himself:
Yes, but it's a starting point. People used the argument that the US military shouldn't leave Vietnam. We're too far deep, don't let the Communists win, etc. Look how that mess turned out.
Stop supporting Israel.
Yes, many people in the mid-east will be pissed off if we continue to support Israel, but that doesn't mean invading Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't worsen the situation any more. It obviously has and as long as we occupy land in the mid-east the situation is going to continue to worsen. Again, I bring up Sweden and how no one is trying to bomb them to death. Other countries have supported Israel as well without being terrorized. There are many, many more factors involved then simply supporting Israel.
Who said they were stealing it for themselves? They are stealing it for the people they decided to work for.
no, it's not. There is logic in my thinking. In order for Iraqi's to be "victorious" (meaning, they can have their country to their own), they need to defend it by fighting (killing) the foreign invaders. It sucks, but they have that right to defend themselves as free people.
No, not at all. I'm specifically talking about Iraqi's defending their homeland, natural resources, right to decide their own future, etc.
How could one speak on Iraq without ultimately linking it to the true motive.
Capitalism. (Imperialism is "the highest stage of capitalism" )
Benefits to whom? The US or Iraq?
No benefits to the Iraqi people whatsoever.
Obvious benefits to the US.
Ok, the majority of the world hates the US. Better?
Gee, I wonder why.
All over the world.
All over the world.
Well you don't need to ask me for historical facts and context. Just look at what Mr. Osama said himself:
The events that influenced me directly trace back to 1982 and subsequent events when the United States gave permission to the Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the aid of the sixth US fleet.
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While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women...
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While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women...
Yes, but it's a starting point. People used the argument that the US military shouldn't leave Vietnam. We're too far deep, don't let the Communists win, etc. Look how that mess turned out.
Stop supporting Israel.
Yes, many people in the mid-east will be pissed off if we continue to support Israel, but that doesn't mean invading Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't worsen the situation any more. It obviously has and as long as we occupy land in the mid-east the situation is going to continue to worsen. Again, I bring up Sweden and how no one is trying to bomb them to death. Other countries have supported Israel as well without being terrorized. There are many, many more factors involved then simply supporting Israel.
